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[TheDonk95]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I actually don't think I'd be asking for a way to cure Liara, if it happened to her like it does to Thane. It's all in the portrayal - and Thane, from the very first conversation tells you that not only is he dying, but he should've died a while ago and there is no cure. There's never a "well maybe", there's never presented as any hope - a dying man is who he is, it's an integral part of his character.

Changing that is changing Thane entirely, it doesn't work. That's part of the power in his romance, that you're getting close to him in his final hours.

For a Liaramancer, it'd be like asking for a way to overcome the lifespan difference. Liara naturally outliving Shepard is just a part of who she is, who the Asari are, and it's an aspect of their relationship they have to deal with. A Liaramancer shouldn't ask for them to find a way to overcome that in the end, nor should a Thanemancer ask for a way to overcome Thane's illness.

I agree completley. If Thane's illness would have been cured in ME3 it would have completley destroy his personality that makes him special. I really like Thane, and I was sad when he died, but I don't regret it, because if in ME3, after he told us many times in ME2 that he don't have much time to live, he would have suddenly been cured, it would have been really wierd and dumb for me.
The same for Liara. I would have been really REALLY depressed if she would have to die in ME3 because of an injury/sickness, and with how much it would have hurt me, I would have prefered that over her being somehow magically cured.

[PMC65]

Since the asari in their maiden years are all about experiencing life it would not have been out of character though for her to move on from Shepard. Had that happened in LotSB ... "Shepard, I'm only 108 years old ... I am too young to really settle down. We asari do not have a need for nesting until much later ... but if you don't mind sharing me with others." How would the fan base have taken that? It fits the asari cycle but many would argue that Liara is different and would never do that to Shepard. She might or might not but if Bioware decided to show you why dating a maiden has risks ... RAGE!

With Thane there was talk if you romanced him that it might be possible for him to live and in LotSB there was a tease that a cure might be available. While I thought Thane's story was good in ME3, I also did not romance him so there is no dog in that fight ... If Bioware had given an option to do a side mission to get the cure and save him that would have been cool. Then you had an option to either let him die or let him live ... maybe that mission could not be triggered unless you romanced him.

[moreeman06]

PMC65 wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

It's nice to see some fans send stuff to Bioware.
Read the last line on the left. :|

I've been away from the BSN for a long while, and it does seem that most of the threads I used to frequent are less tolerant of other characters than they used to be. (There's even been tension between the Virmire survivors, apparently). The Liara thread is a refreshing change as far as I've seen, but it still makes me a sad bat.

So true ... I just recently had to say goodbye to the Ash thread because of that. I'm still an Ash fan but the bashing of Liara and Kaidan got old. There are some of us who actually like/love more than one character ... I mean we even have a Tali lover in this thread ... *looks at Moreeman and rolls eyes* "A freakin' Talimancer!"
*snip*
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*looks at PMC and shakes head*  are we really gonna start this again *sighs wearily* yeah i like my alien girls so what....  and nice top pic "Shep's angel's"  to the rescue

[CrimsonN7]

PMC65 wrote...

So true ... I just recently had to say goodbye to the Ash thread because of that. I'm still an Ash fan but the bashing of Liara and Kaidan got old. There are some of us who actually like/love more than one character ... I mean we even have a Tali lover in this thread ... *looks at Moreeman and rolls eyes* "A freakin' Talimancer!"

FdL_Ananas - The negative to the destroy is that the geth and EDI are wiped out so many people struggle with that choice. They want both Shepard and EDI and the geth to live.

Tell me about it, some in the Ashley thread are so venemous towards Liara it actually makes me cringe when I read their posts, it's just a bad reflection on them really. I'll hold my hands up and admit there are characters I don't like too but I don't flame them every opportunity I get. In regards to the Geth and EDI, I picked destroy and EDI dying doesn't really bum me out that much to be honest, she's alright, I was more annoyed about the Geth as I loved Legion, plus all the work to unite the Quarians and Geth in ME3 almost proved pointless in the end. However they can be rebuilt so it will work out in the future. Don't know if any of you guys/gals are watching Wimbledon, it's been so good this year, lots of shocks^_^

[Aristobulus500]

PMC65 wrote...

Since the asari in their maiden years are all about experiencing life it would not have been out of character though for her to move on from Shepard. Had that happened in LotSB ... "Shepard, I'm only 108 years old ... I am too young to really settle down. We asari do not have a need for nesting until much later ... but if you don't mind sharing me with others." How would the fan base have taken that? It fits the asari cycle but many would argue that Liara is different and would never do that to Shepard. She might or might not but if Bioware decided to show you why dating a maiden has risks ... RAGE!

With Thane there was talk if you romanced him that it might be possible for him to live and in LotSB there was a tease that a cure might be available. While I thought Thane's story was good in ME3, I also did not romance him so there is no dog in that fight ... If Bioware had given an option to do a side mission to get the cure and save him that would have been cool. Then you had an option to either let him die or let him live ... maybe that mission could not be triggered unless you romanced him.

If they did that with Liara, it actually could've worked, but they would've had to introduce that aspect of her personality and character, and that part of the relationship. much earlier than Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Have her talk about how she'll probably have trouble staying completely attached and with Shepard only, back in ME1, and that if he wants to be with her, he has to accept that, and then you'd be on to something.

But it'd be a total out of character shift to just introduce it into LotSB - especially after, how before that, she DOES act like Shepard is special to her and she doesn't want an open relationship.

[Arcataye]

PMC65 wrote...

Since the asari in their maiden years are all about experiencing life it would not have been out of character though for her to move on from Shepard. Had that happened in LotSB ... "Shepard, I'm only 108 years old ... I am too young to really settle down. We asari do not have a need for nesting until much later ... but if you don't mind sharing me with others." How would the fan base have taken that? It fits the asari cycle but many would argue that Liara is different and would never do that to Shepard. She might or might not but if Bioware decided to show you why dating a maiden has risks ... RAGE!

That's not really comparable as that would be a nasty surprise in LotSB.
But if she would have made such a thing clear right from the beginning, the first conversation, then maybe some would have not romanced her in the first place. You would have to accept that as you would know it.

Modifié par Arcataye, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:59 .

[PMC65]

Aristobulus500 - There is a hint in ME1 if you pick the "threesome" option. Its the VS that bails but Liara never bats an eye. The writer even confirmed that Liara being an asari would not have had a problem with the threesome. If you read the codex it is also pretty obvious that Shepard giving his/her heart to Liara is a risk.

moreeman06 - *hugs*

CrimsonN7 - Too busy doing my second run in ME3 but I love Wimbledon. Might have to check it out!

[Batlass8]

PMC65 wrote...

Since the asari in their maiden years are all about experiencing life it would not have been out of character though for her to move on from Shepard. Had that happened in LotSB ... "Shepard, I'm only 108 years old ... I am too young to really settle down. We asari do not have a need for nesting until much later ... but if you don't mind sharing me with others." How would the fan base have taken that? It fits the asari cycle but many would argue that Liara is different and would never do that to Shepard. She might or might not but if Bioware decided to show you why dating a maiden has risks ... RAGE!

*snip*

I actually might have liked something like this.  Granted, there's a cop-out built into the canon IIRC, what with the 'stages trigger at different ages based on individual blah, blah, blah.'  It's true that it would have been a big shift from ME1 Liara though.  If the concept had been present from the first though, I think it could have been really interesting.  I really think that there's room for some interesting exploration into the difference between Shepard and Liara's ages.  The infamous 'little blue children' will always feel a bit off for me.  If you think about it too hard, Liara is sort of becoming the asari version of a teenage mother.  I mean, a century's difference in age... she and any daughter could be sisters....

*hides*

[Aristobulus500]

PMC65 wrote...

Aristobulus500 - There is a hint in ME1 if you pick the "threesome" option. Its the VS that bails but Liara never bats an eye. The writer even confirmed that Liara being an asari would not have had a problem with the threesome. If you read the codex it is also pretty obvious that Shepard giving his/her heart to Liara is a risk.

I know about that, but that's not enough to introduce something as drastic as that in LotSB - it's something that Liara would've - and should've - specifically mentioned to Shepard when they were discussing if they even should enter into a relationship together.

[CrimsonN7]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

If they did that with Liara, it actually could've worked, but they would've had to introduce that aspect of her personality and character, and that part of the relationship. much earlier than Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Have her talk about how she'll probably have trouble staying completely attached and with Shepard only, back in ME1, and that if he wants to be with her, he has to accept that, and then you'd be on to something.

But it'd be a total out of character shift to just introduce it into LotSB - especially after, how before that, she DOES act like Shepard is special to her and she doesn't want an open relationship.

Ugh I would hate that added will they won't they drama like dilemma, in real life I wouldn't stand for it playing second fiddle to someone else, be exclusive or forget it and move on.<_< We all know Liara romanced or not is in love with Shepard and she's a true romantic at heart, she would never jerk Shep around like that, and shame on those cheating Shepards, have you no character:P

[Mavqt]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

So true ... I just recently had to say goodbye to the Ash thread because of that. I'm still an Ash fan but the bashing of Liara and Kaidan got old. There are some of us who actually like/love more than one character ... I mean we even have a Tali lover in this thread ... *looks at Moreeman and rolls eyes* "A freakin' Talimancer!"

FdL_Ananas - The negative to the destroy is that the geth and EDI are wiped out so many people struggle with that choice. They want both Shepard and EDI and the geth to live.

Tell me about it, some in the Ashley thread are so venemous towards Liara it actually makes me cringe when I read their posts, it's just a bad reflection on them really. I'll hold my hands up and admit there are characters I don't like too but I don't flame them every opportunity I get. In regards to the Geth and EDI, I picked destroy and EDI dying doesn't really bum me out that much to be honest, she's alright, I was more annoyed about the Geth as I loved Legion, plus all the work to unite the Quarians and Geth in ME3 almost proved pointless in the end. However they can be rebuilt so it will work out in the future. Don't know if any of you guys/gals are watching Wimbledon, it's been so good this year, lots of shocks

Come on Murray!

Also, I don't bash characters. But Ash and Kaiden, I never really like them, well Ash was ok in ME1.

[moreeman06]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

So true ... I just recently had to say goodbye to the Ash thread because of that. I'm still an Ash fan but the bashing of Liara and Kaidan got old. There are some of us who actually like/love more than one character ... I mean we even have a Tali lover in this thread ... *looks at Moreeman and rolls eyes* "A freakin' Talimancer!"

FdL_Ananas - The negative to the destroy is that the geth and EDI are wiped out so many people struggle with that choice. They want both Shepard and EDI and the geth to live.

Tell me about it, some in the Ashley thread are so venemous towards Liara it actually makes me cringe when I read their posts, it's just a bad reflection on them really. I'll hold my hands up and admit there are characters I don't like too but I don't flame them every opportunity I get. In regards to the Geth and EDI, I picked destroy and EDI dying doesn't really bum me out that much to be honest, she's alright, I was more annoyed about the Geth as I loved Legion, plus all the work to unite the Quarians and Geth in ME3 almost proved pointless in the end. However they can be rebuilt so it will work out in the future. Don't know if any of you guys/gals are watching Wimbledon, it's been so good this year, lots of shocks^_^

yeah I've been watching,  I'm happy Federer beat djokavic but I'm suprised it was so easy,  Federer put on another masterclass today and well Murray and Tsonga wasn't that exciting but i thought murray was gonna choke again after the third set.

PMC65 wrote...

Aristobulus500 - There is a hint in ME1 if you pick the "threesome" option. Its the VS that bails but Liara never bats an eye. The writer even confirmed that Liara being an asari would not have had a problem with the threesome. If you read the codex it is also pretty obvious that Shepard giving his/her heart to Liara is a risk. 

moreeman06 - *hugs*

CrimsonN7 - Too busy doing my second run in ME3 but I love Wimbledon. Might have to check it out!

 
*hugs back*

[Mavqt]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

If they did that with Liara, it actually could've worked, but they would've had to introduce that aspect of her personality and character, and that part of the relationship. much earlier than Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Have her talk about how she'll probably have trouble staying completely attached and with Shepard only, back in ME1, and that if he wants to be with her, he has to accept that, and then you'd be on to something.

But it'd be a total out of character shift to just introduce it into LotSB - especially after, how before that, she DOES act like Shepard is special to her and she doesn't want an open relationship.

Ugh I would hate that added will they won't they drama like dilemma, in real life I wouldn't stand for it playing second fiddle to someone else, be exclusive or forget it and move on.<_< We all know Liara romanced or not is in love with Shepard and she's a true romantic at heart, she would never jerk Shep around like that, and shame on those cheating Shepards, have you no character:P

The only time I've seen people mentioning Asari having "Open relationships" is in fanfics.
And +1:)

[S3Plan]

Interestingly enough, LotSB made the exact opposite clear: Liara considers herself to be "taken".

That being said, it would've been an interesting element to her character, but only if it was made clear from the outset, back in ME1. For reasons stated above, I wouldn't have supported it if it had been randomly introduced in LotSB/ME2 or whatever.

I imagine it would be a vaguely similar experience to romancing Zevran or Isabela from the Dragon Age series.

[CrimsonN7]

moreeman06 wrote...

yeah I've been watching,  I'm happy Federer beat djokavic but I'm suprised it was so easy,  Federer put on another masterclass today and well Murray and Tsonga wasn't that exciting but i thought murray was gonna choke again after the third set.
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I actually missed Federer's match today, stupid work but I caught most of Andy's, I can't see past Federer though in the Final. The women's has been really interesting, loads of big names choked hard this year, even in the mens Nadal getting knocked out in the beginning:blink:  Serena will probably win the Ladies. Perhaps some are more focused on the Olympics than that Grand Slam.

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 06 juillet 2012 - 07:17 .

[PMC65]

Batlass8 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Since the asari in their maiden years are all about experiencing life it would not have been out of character though for her to move on from Shepard. Had that happened in LotSB ... "Shepard, I'm only 108 years old ... I am too young to really settle down. We asari do not have a need for nesting until much later ... but if you don't mind sharing me with others." How would the fan base have taken that? It fits the asari cycle but many would argue that Liara is different and would never do that to Shepard. She might or might not but if Bioware decided to show you why dating a maiden has risks ... RAGE!

*snip*

I actually might have liked something like this.  Granted, there's a cop-out built into the canon IIRC, what with the 'stages trigger at different ages based on individual blah, blah, blah.'  It's true that it would have been a big shift from ME1 Liara though.  If the concept had been present from the first though, I think it could have been really interesting.  I really think that there's room for some interesting exploration into the difference between Shepard and Liara's ages.  The infamous 'little blue children' will always feel a bit off for me.  If you think about it too hard, Liara is sort of becoming the asari version of a teenage mother.  I mean, a century's difference in age... she and any daughter could be sisters....

*hides*

In my headcanon the blue babies is a joke between Liara and Shepard ... Liara does not want offspring and won't for at least another two centuries. As to the age difference ... I've thought about when Shepard becomes old and her body changes, her mind falters, etc. How will that impact Liara? Heck, how will that impact Shepard? Looking at yourself age ... an old hand touching young skin? Walking in public together as you look hunched over and your lover look ... well, young? Walking dead Hugh Hefner meet Playboy bunny ... No, please.

Yep. Being with an asari has its hurdles and drawbacks. Thank the stars EW will pass on in her 70's ... still too old but at least not 150. There was a movie where people had their faces stretched really grotesque. If people live to 150 that is what we would start to look like ... PLASTIC. Even now in Beverly Hills the people look surreal with all the touch ups, pull ups and such. Living longer would not mean we do not age ... we are living longer now but our bodies show it. 

Now off to Thessia! 

[moreeman06]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

yeah I've been watching,  I'm happy Federer beat djokavic but I'm suprised it was so easy,  Federer put on another masterclass today and well Murray and Tsonga wasn't that exciting but i thought murray was gonna choke again after the third set.
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I actually missed Federer's match today, stupid work but I caught most of Andy's, I can't see past Federer though in the Final. The women's has been really interesting, loads of big names choked hard this year, even in the mens Nadal getting knocked out in the beginning:blink:  Serena will probably win the Ladies. Perhaps some are more focused on the Olympics than that Grand Slam.

It was a good match he made Djokovik look like a rookie, it was as much as i hate to quote Mcenroe Vintage Federer.  and i missed the end of Andy's match on my way to work but i was suprised that Azarenka beat Sharapova and that Nadal got knocked out in the 2nd round.  Who is Serena playing anyways, I haven't paid as much attention to the ladies draw.

[adneate]

PMC65 wrote...
I've thought about when Shepard becomes old and her body changes, her mind falters, etc. How will that impact Liara? Heck, how will that impact Shepard?

As far as I'm concerned that issue died with ME1 Shepard who was fully human, ME2 forward Shepard is Bio-Synthetic pretty much locked at the age of her death. According to the research terminal all of Shepard's skin is a synthetic weave, hell even her eyes are synthetic replacements. Taking bullets is in the design specs for Shepard's skin, I don't think it'll start sagging due to time.

[Wulfram]

People wanting Thane to survive is very natural. I don't think he should be saved from a "what's the best story" kind of decision, but identification with your PC makes it hard to come at things from that position

Which of course may be why I don't see Liara having a problem with monogamy when she wasn't having any gamy for about 50 years of her adult life before meeting Shepard.

Though long term I do wonder if an aging Shepard and a still young Liara will still work together. What they want from life may end up drifting apart.

[CrimsonN7]

moreeman06 wrote...

It was a good match he made Djokovik look like a rookie, it was as much as i hate to quote Mcenroe Vintage Federer.  and i missed the end of Andy's match on my way to work but i was suprised that Azarenka beat Sharapova and that Nadal got knocked out in the 2nd round.  Who is Serena playing anyways, I haven't paid as much attention to the ladies draw.

Serena is playing Agnieszka Radwanska, I have no idea who she is:huh:  Yeah cosidering that Sharapova was the top seed and all I thought she'd make a real go at it but Serena looks back to her best again. Sharapova she's a good player but jesus it's impossible to watch her play a full match, all that grunting is ridiculous and unsportsmanlike IMO, most of the times I have to watch her play with the sound off<_<

[moreeman06]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

It was a good match he made Djokovik look like a rookie, it was as much as i hate to quote Mcenroe Vintage Federer.  and i missed the end of Andy's match on my way to work but i was suprised that Azarenka beat Sharapova and that Nadal got knocked out in the 2nd round.  Who is Serena playing anyways, I haven't paid as much attention to the ladies draw.

Serena is playing Agnieszka Radwanska, I have no idea who she is:huh:  Yeah cosidering that Sharapova was the top seed and all I thought she'd make a real go at it but Serena looks back to her best again. Sharapova she's a good player but jesus it's impossible to watch her play a full match, all that grunting is ridiculous and unsportsmanlike IMO, most of the times I have to watch her play with the sound off<_<

yeah I muted it when i watched her and arazanka play, and i have no idea who this radwanska is either.  So i guess we should try and tie this into Liara,  do you think they would let Shepard and Liara sit in the royal box, assuming the all england club survives the Reaper War

[CrimsonN7]

moreeman06 wrote...

yeah I muted it when i watched her and arazanka play, and i have no idea who this radwanska is either.  So i guess we should try and tie this into Liara,  do you think they would let Shepard and Liara sit in the royal box, assuming the all england club survives the Reaper War

OMG lol:D I think Shep would be a bad heckler myself, Liara sighing I can't bring you anywhere nice:P Liara would probably love strawberries and cream though;)

[S3Plan]

moreeman06 wrote...

So i guess we should try and tie this into Liara,  do you think they would let Shepard and Liara sit in the royal box, assuming the all england club survives the Reaper War

Absolutely! I'm sure Shepard and Liara would enjoy watching Federer IX and Robo-Nadal slug it out on Centre Court.

[Mr.House]

Shepard and Liara should be knighted. Liara, first alien to be knighted!

[moreeman06]

Mr.House wrote...

Shepard and Liara should be knighted. Liara, first alien to be knighted!

I can see it know Commander Shepard (GCB) along with Dame Liara T'Soni (GCB)

CrimsonN7 wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

yeah I muted it when i watched her and arazanka play, and i have no idea who this radwanska is either.  So i guess we should try and tie this into Liara,  do you think they would let Shepard and Liara sit in the royal box, assuming the all england club survives the Reaper War

OMG lol[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] I think Shep would be a bad heckler myself, Liara sighing I can't bring you anywhere nice[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] Liara would probably love strawberries and cream though[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

give her that and a pimm's cup and she's good for a nice sweltering summer day in jolly old London, as for Shepard they might escort him out...

S3Plan wrote...
*snip*

Absolutely! I'm sure Shepard and Liara would enjoy watching Federer IX and Robo-Nadal slug it out on Centre Court. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

 

i'm sure they would,  
*in best announcer voice*  and today's final the Federator vs. Robo-Nadal, this is the 500th meeting between the two here at Wimbledon their first meeting was way back in 2004

Modifié par moreeman06, 06 juillet 2012 - 08:09 .