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[Han Shot First]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...
What do you think Liara's flaws are?

Lust for power.

Not in a mustache twirling evil genius sort of way, as Liara intends to use her power as Shadow Broker for the greater good. But when Liara first becomes Shadow Broker you do get a sense that she also enjoys it. "I've got all the secrets of the galaxy at my fingertips. Give me ten minutes, and I can start a war."

 

[d32f123]

Han Shot First wrote...

Lust for power.
"I've got all the secrets of the galaxy at my fingertips. [i]Give me ten minutes, and I can start a war."
 

As for me this was just sarcasm.

[CmdrSlander]

Han Shot First wrote...

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...
What do you think Liara's flaws are?

Lust for power.

Not in a mustache twirling evil genius sort of way, as Liara intends to use her power as Shadow Broker for the greater good. But when Liara first becomes Shadow Broker you do get a sense that she also enjoys it. "I've got all the secrets of the galaxy at my fingertips. Give me ten minutes, and I can start a war."

 

Replace power with knowledge and you've got it. She never loses her scientific curiosity, though her sense of wonder is dulled a bit by the end of the series (understandable, when every discovery is some new horror or prophecy of doom). 

"I've got all the secrets of the galaxy at my fingertips. [i]Give me ten minutes, and I can start a war."

This statement, especially the way it is delivered by her, reveals not the rush of newfound power, but wonder at the knowledge before her. Of course, as the saying goes "knowledge is power", however the pursuit of knowledge for its own sake, and for the sake of understanding (which sums up many academic proffessions) is far nobler than the pursuit of knowledge for the power that may be derived from it. 

Later, in ME3, if you bring her along to the Cerberus HQ mission she muses about the danger of the knowledge and power that can be derived from the Reapers and Protheans, and mentions that she feared what lengths she would have gone to if it was in her power to save Thessia via some twisted technology. This reminds of the after-the-fact guilt and fear of one's own capabilites that was prevalent in the scientists responsible for the start of the atomic age. At the beginning they were just researchers (like Liara) war and desperation turned their research into weapons, and they hated themselves for what they were capable of creating. Someone who lusted after power would have basked in this, not rejected it. 

Modifié par CmdrSlander, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:33 .

[CmdrSlander]

[double post]

Modifié par CmdrSlander, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:32 .

[Han Shot First]

I don't know, I still got the vibe that she was enjoying the newfound power a bit. It isn't just what she says, but also her actions. And she does that seductive little strut along the console running her hand over it while delivering that line. It does give the impression that she is enjoying it.

There are a couple scenes throughout the series where Liara is very much Benezia's daughter, and I think that moment was one of them.

[CmdrSlander]

Han Shot First wrote...

I don't know, I still got the vibe that she was enjoying the newfound power a bit. It isn't just what she says, but also her actions. And she does that seductive little strut along the console running her hand over it while delivering that line. It does give the impression that she is enjoying it.

There are a couple scenes throughout the series where Liara is very much Benezia's daughter, and I think that moment was one of them.

Well, everyone enjoys power a little bit, the lust for power is where the character flaw lies. Not to mention that she had just bested the broker and taken control of his systems, there's no shame in enjoying the victory. 


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Random aside: I work in a World War One historical archive and I have eight monitors on my desk in my little corner of the facility (I need them for side-by-side document analyis). Every time I power up the system in the morning I have to try very hard to avoid quoting something from LotSB... One day I am going to get some audio clips of Glyph and set them up to activate based on a motion sensor at my office door. 

[LanceSolous13]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Hello Liara Fans.

So, I'm wiritng a fan fic to basically continue where a High EMS Destroy left off with Shepard's recovery and his friends sort of being by his side for the recovery.

I'm coming to you guys for a bit of help. During my play through the series, I never could get that into Liara's character. Anyways, I really want to do her character justice in the fic for fans of her character, but I'm having trouble writing her.

I was hoping you guys might give me some insight into her character and some advice on how to write her since you guys are her Fanbase.

The help would be much appreceated.

*slides into bottom of thread shamelessly* *whistles innicently*

[Aristobulus500]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Hello Liara Fans.

So, I'm wiritng a fan fic to basically continue where a High EMS Destroy left off with Shepard's recovery and his friends sort of being by his side for the recovery.

I'm coming to you guys for a bit of help. During my play through the series, I never could get that into Liara's character. Anyways, I really want to do her character justice in the fic for fans of her character, but I'm having trouble writing her.

I was hoping you guys might give me some insight into her character and some advice on how to write her since you guys are her Fanbase.

The help would be much appreceated.

You should send Theo a PM, he's a really good writer and he's especially good at writing Liara in character, so he could probably help you out.

[d32f123]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Hello Liara Fans.

So, I'm wiritng a fan fic to basically continue where a High EMS Destroy left off with Shepard's recovery and his friends sort of being by his side for the recovery.

I'm coming to you guys for a bit of help. During my play through the series, I never could get that into Liara's character. Anyways, I really want to do her character justice in the fic for fans of her character, but I'm having trouble writing her.

I was hoping you guys might give me some insight into her character and some advice on how to write her since you guys are her Fanbase.

The help would be much appreceated.

*slides into bottom of thread shamelessly* *whistles innicently*

As I said, wait a little bit, I think fan fic writers will soon be in this thread and answer you

[CmdrSlander]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Hello Liara Fans.

So, I'm wiritng a fan fic to basically continue where a High EMS Destroy left off with Shepard's recovery and his friends sort of being by his side for the recovery.

I'm coming to you guys for a bit of help. During my play through the series, I never could get that into Liara's character. Anyways, I really want to do her character justice in the fic for fans of her character, but I'm having trouble writing her.

I was hoping you guys might give me some insight into her character and some advice on how to write her since you guys are her Fanbase.

The help would be much appreceated.

*slides into bottom of thread shamelessly* *whistles innicently*

Guards! Cast out this intruder! Cast him (or her) out I say! 

But seriously: 

I think a post war Liara would be very interesting because the history of the galaxy as she knew it, seemingly a place of wonder and mystery, was in fact little more than a facade for a hideous cycle of death. Its kind of an intellectual and sociocultural loss of inoccence comparable on both a personal and galactic level to the end of La Belle Epoque ("The Beautiful Time" which preceded the first world war in which many believed that science and progress would deliver us into a time of peace and hapiness. Instead, the very same industries and minds that would have brough this about set about destroying large swaths of continental europe). In the Mass Effect universe, these technologies would be things like the relays and AI (or commonly, VIs), both things turned out to be effective tools of war and tools of the enemy, no less and were ultimately destroyed. An intellectual like Liara might fall, as many after First World war did, into a very dark place, their hopeful spirit severely wounded if not slayed outright. 

[Babi_Siha]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Hello Liara Fans.

So, I'm wiritng a fan fic to basically continue where a High EMS Destroy left off with Shepard's recovery and his friends sort of being by his side for the recovery.

I'm coming to you guys for a bit of help. During my play through the series, I never could get that into Liara's character. Anyways, I really want to do her character justice in the fic for fans of her character, but I'm having trouble writing her.

I was hoping you guys might give me some insight into her character and some advice on how to write her since you guys are her Fanbase.

The help would be much appreceated.

Even if not romanced, Liara cares a great deal for Shepard, for insight about that I suggest watching videos of LotSB. I believe she would have trouble letting go and just couldn't believe that Shepard died, I can imagine Liara burying herself i work trying to find Shepard, even if just to be sure if he/she survived or not.

Being the Shadow Broker she'll be a great asset in helping rebuild, she can have her mercs, the ones alive anyway, doing some heavy lifting. Also, she worked closely with Hackett before, maybe they can work together again to figure out a way to stabilize the galactic situation.

[LanceSolous13]

d32f123 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Hello Liara Fans.

So, I'm wiritng a fan fic to basically continue where a High EMS Destroy left off with Shepard's recovery and his friends sort of being by his side for the recovery.

I'm coming to you guys for a bit of help. During my play through the series, I never could get that into Liara's character. Anyways, I really want to do her character justice in the fic for fans of her character, but I'm having trouble writing her.

I was hoping you guys might give me some insight into her character and some advice on how to write her since you guys are her Fanbase.

The help would be much appreceated.

*slides into bottom of thread shamelessly* *whistles innicently*

As I said, wait a little bit, I think fan fic writers will soon be in this thread and answer you

Sorry I missed your post. *facepalm* *is a moron*

[LanceSolous13]

I have actually played LotSB. I'm having issues figuring out what she'd say and have she acts more like, which is why I'm going to those who know her best. She'll be looking after Shepard with everyone else for awhile (I just saw the Irony of a 'flock' looking after Shepard) but I can't get her mannerisms and speach/persionality right...

[TheMarshal]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Hello Liara Fans.

So, I'm wiritng a fan fic to basically continue where a High EMS Destroy left off with Shepard's recovery and his friends sort of being by his side for the recovery.

I'm coming to you guys for a bit of help. During my play through the series, I never could get that into Liara's character. Anyways, I really want to do her character justice in the fic for fans of her character, but I'm having trouble writing her.

I was hoping you guys might give me some insight into her character and some advice on how to write her since you guys are her Fanbase.

The help would be much appreceated.

Liara is obsessive (to also answer the question regarding her flaws).  She throws herself into everything she does with almost ruthless abandon.  The Protheans.  Information brokering.  Shadow Brokering.  Shepard.  She would never abandon Shepard and would do anything and everything to support her (forgive me for using the female pronoun, as I exclusively play FemShep).  Liara was the ideal candidate to recover Shepard's corpse simply because she would never give up.  The same could be said about several of Shepard's companions, but I believe the difference with Liara is that she is both intelligent and resourceful, and her ruthlessness in her drive is tempered by a strong sense of purpose outside of the selfish.  Aria, for example, has many of the same qualities as Liara.  Intelligent.  Driven.  Ruthless.  Resourceful.  But she is motivated purely by self-interest.  Liara is obviously different.

I also wrote a blog post a while back that talked a little bit about Liara.  I hope this helps and doesn't come across as the rambling mess that I'm seeing it as right now.  

[CmdrSlander]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I have actually played LotSB. I'm having issues figuring out what she'd say and have she acts more like, which is why I'm going to those who know her best. She'll be looking after Shepard with everyone else for awhile (I just saw the Irony of a 'flock' looking after Shepard) but I can't get her mannerisms and speach/persionality right...

I think altering Liara's worldview would allow you to expand her character in directions the fanbase is not familiar with. Thereby giving yourself breathing room to play with her mannerisms and reactions to the state of the galaxy. Please see my post in response to  your initial question. 

Modifié par CmdrSlander, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:19 .

[LanceSolous13]

Thank you for the help. I'm having issues like this for Grunt, though, his are a bit easier to work through. Just think simple small thoughts and suddenly, Dialogue. lol

I'll make sure to read it.

[moreeman06]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Thank you for the help. I'm having issues like this for Grunt, though, his are a bit easier to work through. Just think simple small thoughts and suddenly, Dialogue. lol

I'll make sure to read it.

don't forget that grunt likes to laugh,  and as Marshal said Liara is a bit obsessive almost to a fault.  but also if you want some of her humorous side think more dry stiff and biting instead of stupid your mama jokes.  Liara's humor follows a more british tack if i do say so, she can be rather cutting sarcastic and teasing depending on the dialogue you choose.  Oh well off to play DAO some more,  I forgot i hadn't patched for the ancient elf boots... *facepalm grumbles something about not playing since getting new hard drive*  bye now:lol:

[Han Shot First]

Random aside: I work in a World War One historical archive and I have eight monitors on my desk in my little corner of the facility (I need them for side-by-side document analyis). Every time I power up the system in the morning I have to try very hard to avoid quoting something from LotSB... One day I am going to get some audio clips of Glyph and set them up to activate based on a motion sensor at my office door.

Sounds like an awesome gig.

By the way your post that referenced  The Lost Generation now has me picturing Liara sitting down post-war and penning something like Sassoon's Aftermath, though I suppose that would be more in character for Ashley.


@Marshal,

Good post.

I think Liara's two biggest defining characteristics are her intelligence and strong sense of loyalty to friends. Other than perhaps Mordin she is the most intelligent of the squadmates, and she risks her own life to both recover Shepard's corpse and rescue Feron.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:30 .

[LanceSolous13]

I think I have a pretty good model for her humor from Eden Prime. "No. Palentology is the study of Dinosaurs. I'm an Archologist and many seem to confus-Oh. You were joking." lol Always makes me laugh.

[TheMarshal]

moreeman06 wrote...

don't forget that grunt likes to laugh,  and as Marshal said Liara is a bit obsessive almost to a fault.  but also if you want some of her humorous side think more dry stiff and biting instead of stupid your mama jokes.  Liara's humor follows a more british tack if i do say so, she can be rather cutting sarcastic and teasing depending on the dialogue you choose.  Oh well off to play DAO some more,  I forgot i hadn't patched for the ancient elf boots... *facepalm grumbles something about not playing since getting new hard drive*  bye now:lol:

Remember that before anything else, Liara was the daughter of a matriarch.  That effectively makes her an aristocrat, and it shows in everything she does, from her speech patterns in ME1 to her manner of dress to, as moreeman mentioned, her sense of humor (such as it exists by the time ME3 rolls around).

[Babi_Siha]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I think I have a pretty good model for her humor from Eden Prime. "No. Palentology is the study of Dinosaurs. I'm an Archologist and many seem to confus-Oh. You were joking." lol Always makes me laugh.

This that you mentioned is her naive side that's still there and though that awkward side of hers is great, in a post-reapers fic I don't think bringing that out is appropriate. If you want to explore her more humorous side I advice you to bring out her sarcasm and silver tongue when frustrated about something or if being challenged. Mass Effect 2 made clear the impact Shepard's death has on her and messing with her in such a state it's not a joke. Ps: sorry if it felt like rambling, I'm very sleepy right now.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:42 .

[Babi_Siha]

Sorry, double post. Here's some deviantart by an artist I'm quite fond of:

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:41 .

[CmdrSlander]

Han Shot First wrote...

Random aside: I work in a World War One historical archive and I have eight monitors on my desk in my little corner of the facility (I need them for side-by-side document analyis). Every time I power up the system in the morning I have to try very hard to avoid quoting something from LotSB... One day I am going to get some audio clips of Glyph and set them up to activate based on a motion sensor at my office door.

Sounds like an awesome gig.

By the way your post that referenced  The Lost Generation now has me picturing Liara sitting down post-war and penning something like Sassoon's Aftermath, though I suppose that would be more in character for Ashley.


@Marshal,

Good post.

I think Liara's two biggest defining characteristics are her intelligence and strong sense of loyalty to friends. Other than perhaps Mordin she is the most intelligent of the squadmates, and she risks her own life to both recover Shepard's corpse and rescue Feron.

Perhaps, but all those monitors are crying out to have a top of the range gaming PC hooked up to them... 

[Asch Lavigne]

Don't know how many Liara fans have seen all of these, (I know a few of them have been posted) but these are all done by the person who does all the 3D (sometimes animated) FemShep and Liara fanart. I'll leave the link cause some of these pictures... well I don't know what the rule is for posting things of this nature.

neehs.deviantart.com/gallery/

[Theodoro]

Han Shot First wrote...

I don't know, I still got the vibe that she was enjoying the newfound power a bit. It isn't just what she says, but also her actions. And she does that seductive little strut along the console running her hand over it while delivering that line. It does give the impression that she is enjoying it.

There are a couple scenes throughout the series where Liara is very much Benezia's daughter, and I think that moment was one of them.

I agree with you on the point of Liara enjoying her new power after the defeat of the Shadow Broker, as is evident by the cutscenes, but I don't think that equals lust for power. This is not what she wished for two years - she only wanted to avenge Feron, and when she found herself in the Shadow Broker's chamber she saw an opportunity to use his resources to help people. And I feel she would be willing to give up that power if it meant saving them.

Modifié par Theodoro, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:56 .