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LanceSolous13 wrote...

Hello Liara Fans.

So, I'm wiritng a fan fic to basically continue where a High EMS Destroy left off with Shepard's recovery and his friends sort of being by his side for the recovery.

I'm coming to you guys for a bit of help. During my play through the series, I never could get that into Liara's character. Anyways, I really want to do her character justice in the fic for fans of her character, but I'm having trouble writing her.

I was hoping you guys might give me some insight into her character and some advice on how to write her since you guys are her Fanbase.

The help would be much appreceated. :D

If playing the game did not help I would suggest reading a few fanfics to get a clearer insight. All those i know of are Liara-romance but even if they are not in a romantic relationship Liara still cares greatly for Shepard.

Since you are writting a post-reaper war fic I would suggest taking a look at Theo's fics, they are all linked in his signature just above.
As well as this one by Noxuniversitas:
http://www.fanfictio.../Forever_As_One
This one by CrazyGreggy:
http://crazygreggy.d...t.com/#/d556t4y
And this one that is ongoing by moreeman:
http://moreeman06.de...-ch-1-311813982

I can try to give you are more in-depth talk about her a little latter when I get back to the thread.

Modifié par Akernis, 07 juillet 2012 - 09:03 .


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I still don’t get this “daughter of a matriarch” thing. All asari are, eventually -.-

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lillitheris wrote...

I still don’t get this “daughter of a matriarch” thing. All asari are, eventually -.-

Technically, yes, using this collocation doesn't actually mean anything substantial by itself. I'll give leeway for that, though, since most young asari might have mothers who are still in the maiden stage, who aren't nearly as influential or well-known as Benezia is. While all matriarchs are said to be wise people, Benezia stands out in the lore as somebody who is very venerable among most asari.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Although, regarding Samara, she can easily find out about Liara being the Shadow Broker if she goes aboard the ship.


Easily? No…

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LanceSolous13 wrote...

Hello Liara Fans.

So, I'm wiritng a fan fic to basically continue where a High EMS Destroy left off with Shepard's recovery and his friends sort of being by his side for the recovery.

I'm coming to you guys for a bit of help. During my play through the series, I never could get that into Liara's character. Anyways, I really want to do her character justice in the fic for fans of her character, but I'm having trouble writing her.

I was hoping you guys might give me some insight into her character and some advice on how to write her since you guys are her Fanbase.

The help would be much appreceated. :D


Welcome to the thread! And in an attempt to offer some insight, I'll say that writing Liara is not that difficult after you really get to know her character. In regards to her speech, she's probably the most eloquent of Shepard's crew, so that's always something to keep in mind. Everything else that is reflected on the writing of her character and her thoughts is derived from her personality - she is caring, kind, honest, loyal, respectful and would go to any lengths to protect the ones she cares about. She's smart, intelligent, and always optimistic about things. Keeping all of this in mind helps a great deal when you're writing her.

And I agree, not enough blue:

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Theodoro wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

I still don’t get this “daughter of a matriarch” thing. All asari are, eventually -.-

Technically, yes, using this collocation doesn't actually mean anything substantial by itself. I'll give leeway for that, though, since most young asari might have mothers who are still in the maiden stage, who aren't nearly as influential or well-known as Benezia is. While all matriarchs are said to be wise people, Benezia stands out in the lore as somebody who is very venerable among most asari.


That would seem to imply that they only consider immediate parentage family, not grandmothers, for example.

Poor writing, I blame thee. Someone just thought it sounded cool.

Rather than stick to it, I’ve tried to delineate the social structure a little bit to illustrate Benezia’s position in it (although much this info is only going to be in later chapters*). As is probably apparent from my description of the military, they don’t actually have ranks. Lidanya is a matriarch, so that’s how she’s referred to. She is also the CO of Destiny Ascension (and in my fic, the acting CO of the entire fleet), but that doesn’t bestow her with a separate title. On the other hand, Eris Vanna is only a maiden. She’s also the CO of a commando detachment, but neither does she have a title. This is the heritage of the tribal nature; everyone knows their immediate hierarchy (or can find out easily enough), so there is no need to create artificial structures on top of it.

* I have, literally, dozens of pages of notes on the asari :blush:  I should actually add a few articles to the Introduction to Asari Physiology, I’ve mapped out some of the other interesting aspects.

Modifié par lillitheris, 07 juillet 2012 - 09:55 .


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@lillitheris:

Yes, I agree with you on that - the three stages of an asari's life is something that is supposed to be completely different than actual ranks (if they have ones) and different social status. That's what what you're saying makes sense - Eris Vanna being a good example of a maiden entrusted with the position she has. There's also the issue when exactly an asari is considered to have transitioned from one stage to the other - if it's purely by age then being a matriarch means nothing else. If it's something that is achieved on a conscious level then some asari may never actually reach the stage of a matriarch. There is a Codex entry for this, but it didn't go into too much detail - it only said what maidens, matrons and matriarchs usually did, but not when asari actually get to these points in their lives. Regardless, being the daughter of the CO of the Destiny Ascension, for example, would have much more weight than simply saying that a person is the daughter of a matriarch. That doesn't mean anything.

Modifié par Theodoro, 07 juillet 2012 - 10:00 .


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Isn't there a Lieutenant Kurin on Thessia?

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Wulfram wrote...

Isn't there a Lieutenant Kurin on Thessia?


Something like that, yes, I think so.  Edit: youtube check, yes, it’s Kurin.

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Hey Theo, you got a new avatar :), I really need to start pulling myself tohether and figure out how. 

Theodoro wrote...

Welcome to the thread! And in an attempt to offer some insight, I'll say that writing Liara is not that difficult after you really get to know her character. In regards to her speech, she's probably the most eloquent of Shepard's crew, so that's always something to keep in mind. Everything else that is reflected on the writing of her character and her thoughts is derived from her personality - she is caring, kind, honest, loyal, respectful and would go to any lengths to protect the ones she cares about. She's smart, intelligent, and always optimistic about things. Keeping all of this in mind helps a great deal when you're writing her.


I tried to write up a more detailed and in-depth describtion, but I am not very good at that kind of thing. It is not very eloguent and I am not even sure I came close to how she actually is and you might be better off simply using Theo said here, but okay here goes.

Speech: Liara is very proper and eloquent when she talks, she never curses or uses slang and only rarely make use of contractions or similar. Though unlike Modin for examble she does not make a show of using difficult or particularly complex words despite her intelligence. By the time of the second and third game the strictness with which she uses the language softens somewhat though she still refrains from ever being vulgar in her word choice.
Also Liara is very candid when she speaks, she might sometimes be rather subtle about it but she usually speaks her mind withouth hesitation, voicing concerns when she has them and is very honest with what she says etc. she straight out tells Shepard that she is in love in ME1 for example. she also prefers honesty in return, as she ask Shepard how he/she is actually doing rather than what he says for morales sake. This of course is very much different in ME2 untill you break through to her again, at which point she revert back more to herslef again. 

Humour: While she has some trouple catching humour and jokes (as shown most obviously n ME1 where she thinks she has insulted you and then proceeds to further embaress herself and in ME3 at Eden Prime with the archeology/paleontology exchange) she is not without a teasing or humerous side herself. Her humour however is usually subtle, rather dry and slightly sarcastic.

Emotions: At the biginning she is very analytical and does not really feel her emotions to the same degree, this is especially clear when starting a romance where she, at least to begin with, thinks about it from a very logical standpoint. This changes throughout the games, she begins to show more and more emotions for Shepard, especially in a romance but even beyond that she comes to care deeply for Shepard which takes a nasty turn when he/she dies and Liara goes on her vengeance trip after the SB. During ME2 she is mostly ruled by a combination of anger and cold calculating as she has closed herself of from her warmer and softer feelings, which though open up again after LotSB upon which she returns to herself again. By the time of ME3 she is a very emotional person, especially in a romance, though as befitting her nature not overtly so for drama or the like, and it can be hard to see sometimes for people who don't know her so well.
Another thing to take into account here is that she is also once of the most vulnerable characters there is. She is not military hardened and together with Tali she is also the most open to emotional pain, of which she suffers rather a lot (her morther dies, her lover dies, her homeworld dies, it is a wonder she remains so good-hearted as she is, and thank godess that Shepard can return to her), she is the only character I recall falling to tears three times (at the end of LotSB, in the Cabin scene for a romanced Shep and after Thessia) and she begins to dispair somewhat just after you find her on Mars as well. But on general she is optimistic and positive as well as very caring and kind-hearted.    

Morals & Convictions: Liara is a very moral and friendly person, probably one of her strongest traits in ME1, like with many of her personality trait it is somewhat suspended during ME2 until after LotSB but it becomes clear again in the third game. She is also very friendly, with the exception of with Javik (and the SB obviously) I don't rember her actually being angry with anyone or unpleasent for that matter.
She is also understanding, even if one breaks up with/cheats on her (how could anyone even do that Image IPBImage IPB) she takes it more maturely than such a cheat shep deserves and wishes Shep happyness with his/her new partner. She does her best to comfort or help others when they need it, whether this be Shepard, one of the teammates of someone else. She is respectful of people, especially her friends (though their privacy might be another matter, not entirely sure here), she also put her own needs aside and allows Shepard time/space in their relationship if that is what he/she needs.
Liara is also loyal to a fault, she never abandons you or her friends, she recovers Shepard's body and try to help Feron despite him betryaing her twice. Even if she is not in a romance with Shepard her devotion to him/her is obvious, if in a romance it becomes even more clear, as for example even after two years she still considers herself "taken" by Shepard if they are in a relationship and as happy to rekindle their love again.

Modifié par Akernis, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:36 .


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lillitheris wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Isn't there a Lieutenant Kurin on Thessia?


Something like that, yes, I think so.  Edit: youtube check, yes, it’s Kurin.



There's also a Captain Coreen Lemaes, commanding a squad of commandos that were originally meant to investigate the whereabouts of the first group sent to the Ardat-Yaksi monastery. Following Shepard's successful mission, they were sent to Admiral Hackett instead.

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Matriarch chat


This is kindof an issue that's hard to tell, considering the game really doesn't go into that much detail when it comes to Asari culture - the Asari are talked up as important, but really get left out compared to how much the other races get explored.

I think it's like a mixture of age and personal choices and status. Asari tend to become Matriarchs when they get older, but not every Asari does become a Matriarch. It's not as simple as "reach age 800, you're a Matriarch". There's something else denoted by being one, too.

Another issue is probably that - we don't the age at which most Asari die. We know the general age an Asari will live before dying of old age - but do most Asari make it that far? That's an unknown, and if most Asari die off in say, the Matron years, then being a Matriarch has more weight than it otherwise would've.

Liara's character


I'm a really big fan of how Akernis and Theo summed it up. I think you guys got it spot on in your posts. I've always seen Liara as being a really kind, soft person, and very intelligent, with a sense of humor more on the dry and sarcastic side. That said, at the same time she's very independent and determined, and not at all meek or spineless - she's very blunt and isn't afraid to speak her mind and put her opinions and desires out there - and this plays into her relationship with Shepard being a very equal one, not one of her being very submissive and cowed to Shepard.

She's also a very inquisitive and curious person, and really enjoys learning - especially about alien cultures and such.

Liara/Shep beach pic by dashing icecream


Now this is an interesting picture, and I like it. I like the way Liara is just gazing at Shep, and holding her pretty tenderly, you can tell she's totally in love there. It's also worth pointing out that Liara is actually naked in this picture, while Shep isn't - unusual for most beach scenes I actually seen drawn! But I agree with the concept, this isn't a complaint, just something I'm pointing out.

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Liara's character and personality is what defines her for me and it is the main reason why I love her so much. Her charater traits and morals and her overall character is what makes her such an amazing and unique character. That kindness, softness and careness she have is why I love her so much. She is cutely innocent, she is really loving and caring. She is shy, but it seems that she can be very shy when she wants to. Aristobulu summed it up better than me.

This is also the main reason why I 'perfer' the ME1 Liara, because then those character traits where very dominent in her. She was really amazing. She is still amazing, ofcourse.
I also thought that she looked the best is ME1.

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Jebel Krong wrote...

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cr: demidevil13


Awesome :wub:

I guess I did another picture. It's about Shepard comforting Liara after battle for Thessia. I was unabled to get tears textures so I was forced to improvise in Photoshop :P Hope you like it guys!
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d32f123 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

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cr: demidevil13


Awesome :wub:

I guess I did another picture. It's about Shepard comforting Liara after battle for Thessia. I was unabled to get tears textures so I was forced to improvise in Photoshop :P Hope you like it guys!
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I wish we had that hug in he game...because that was necessary

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Dunno if this has appeared before, but it needs to appear again

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@Akernis:
Great job summarizing why Liara's our favorite character! It's because of these traits that you've categorized so well that I'm such a big fan of her. Really no better way to say it - this isn't easy to put into words.

And yeah, I've got a new avatar - I really like her look here, a mischievous and teasing glance on her face - I'm not quite sure where this is from in the game, but I really love it. And just in case you didn't know Akernis, here is the blog again as to how you can upload your own custom avatar for the BSN: Here!

@Aristobulus:
Yeah, the matriarch issue is something that we have to speculate a lot about. As helpful as the Codex is, it doesn't cover everything. I guess that the point that they die of old age from is around a century, give or take a hundred years, I'd suspect it depends on the individual at that point on and what kind of life they've had and how they've lived it. As for who makes it to the matriarch stage is debatable, since Aethyta is also technically a matriarch, but she's not exactly a good example of one even though she is. I'd like to think that it is not solely age-related, though.

@d32f123:
Great work again, man! We need more renders of M!Shep/Liara, and especially one of the scene we didn't quite get after the fall of Thessia which you've shown off here rather well. I really like the glaring effect of the computer screens around them. Keep it up!

@Offstream:
Nice one, but Liara's face is beyond weird in the first slide.

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A question just sprung to mind. Asari skin, is it smooth or rough?

I've come to the conclusion that their "hair tentacles" are rough, but what about the rest of them, I can't seem to find any details on this!

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JayPlays wrote...

A question just sprung to mind. Asari skin, is it smooth or rough?

I've come to the conclusion that their "hair tentacles" are rough, but what about the rest of them, I can't seem to find any details on this!

the entirety of an asari's body is covered in very  fine tiny scales not just their crest, but I think that the general consensus the last time we discussed it was that asari skin is fairly smooth, their crest just as much as the rest of them.

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I guess I did another picture. It's about Shepard comforting Liara after battle for Thessia. I was unabled to get tears textures so I was forced to improvise in Photoshop Image IPB Hope you like it guys!
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I really like that one Image IPB, I so hate the fact that we could not comfort he pproberly after Thessia, that scene was so set up for a quiet embrace where Shepard just holds Liara nad comforts her, and instead we geta pepe talk that more or less amounts to "get back to work".

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JayPlays wrote...

A question just sprung to mind. Asari skin, is it smooth or rough?

I've come to the conclusion that their "hair tentacles" are rough, but what about the rest of them, I can't seem to find any details on this!


I think that it is more rough than smooth, because of it's scaly texture. But still, Liara's skin is probably amazing...

EDIT: ^I didn't see the last time you discussed on it, so I didn't know you came to the conclusion that it was smooth. If you say so...

Modifié par TheDonk95, 07 juillet 2012 - 02:42 .


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I'm also of TheDonk's opinion that's it's probably rough like the head crest is. It is evidently scaly so it can't be as smooth as a human's skin would be. It brings out another more exotic alien quality of Liara.

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Theodoro wrote...

I'm also of TheDonk's opinion that's it's probably rough like the head crest is. It is evidently scaly so it can't be as smooth as a human's skin would be. It brings out another more exotic alien quality of Liara.


As vulgar as the example is, I’m going to mention again that I’m sitting on a sofa right now that looks exactly like Liara’s skin there, except black. And it’s quite smooth and supple.

Coarse grain ≠ scaly.

(You’re welcome to think that it is scaly, if you like, but there is no particular evidence in favor of that. It’s not even mentioned in the codex.)