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[PMC65]

lillitheris wrote...

^ Precisely!

…

I’m clearly having a bad communication day today.

No ... you are fine. I just wanted to clarify my artistic integrity of that scene? 

Now that I have played a second time it is amazing how little control of Shepard one has in that game. There were times that Shepard did things that were not her and it made me throw my popcorn controller at the screen. It does feel more like a movie and very linear ... the missions cannot be moved around which really sucks.

And having a character on the ship does not mean lots of interaction ... *looks at Ash*

The combat is better than the previous two (if I don't count those occasions where ... "stop ducking!!!! Run!!!! ... crap, now you are rolling??? What the f....???") but I honestly like ME3 less than the previous two.

Why is the Normandy dark again? Why can't I roam other worlds? Where the frack is my Mako? Why couldn't Mindoir and a batarian been included? Annnndddd ... I miss characters from ME2 that just pop in and then are gone and why for the love of rain is Ash now Zaeed 2.0??????

On a brighter note - graphics are good, there are some very funny lines and the night of Barry White is amazing!


burt86.deviantart.com

[Han Shot First]

ratzerman wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
Miranda and Tali get the most mention, but I think Liara has them both beat.

*suddenly has flashbacks of all the "DEM HIPS" and "DAT ASS" threads*

DAT ASS!



*Ahem*




I mean, dem eyes...









Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Batlass8]

doozer12 wrote...

*snip*

Liara's inner renegade is poking through - that cheater...

*operation snip*

*snip*

OMG, I love that picture so much!  Dr. Chakwas' face is priceless.  I can just hear her reassuring herself, telling herself that all those student loans weren't a waste, and Liara is much older than she looks and has had years to practice, and you can't perform surgery with biotics anyway....

[Han Shot First]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

The thing with snakes and other scaled reptiles though, is that scales are not as flexible as skin. For that reason snakes have much smaller scales around their mouths or other parts of their body so that the scales don't restrict flexibility.  In high res images ofLiara's face, the skin pattern doesn't appear to be any smaller than it is on the rest of her body. If she were scaled, she wouldn't be capable of the same range of facial expression as humans.

In another discussion on Asari skin someone had posted images of rhino and elephant skin, and the pattern of Liara's skin actually more closely resembled that than scaled reptiles. Of course, neither rhinos or elephants are soft.

It's worth pointing out then, that Asari are not actually either snakes, nor are they rhinos or elephants. They are Asari!

We're just picking out animals their skin is probably most similar to, but I've never meant to say Asari skin is exactly like a snakes, and I'm sure you don't mean to say that it's exactly like a rhino's or elephants either - precisely because as you say, their skin is really rough and coarse, and doesn't seem to fit the soft and sleek style the Asari likely have.

Good point.

While we can use earth animals for comparison, as that is all we have to compare them to, but to some degree it is always going to be inaccurate no matter which animal you compare them to.

PMC65 wrote...


 actually liked how they handled it because it fit how my Shepards (both romanced & non) would react but for those who would have preferred a more lover version or even non-friendly version ... those could have been options as well.

I like that Shepard attempts to snap Liara out of it by getting her to devote herself to her work. In that I think it shows that Shepard knows her very well, rather than being an example of Shepard being cold or distant. Liara is a bit of a type A personality. No matter what task she takes on, whether that is archaeology or being an information broker, she seems to devote herself completely to it and get lost in her work. Considering her personality I think getting back to work in helping refugees was truly the best medicine for her.

That being said, the scene could have probably used a paragon hug (particularly for Sheps who were romancing her), but that hug shouln't have happened in lieu of the 'get back to work' pep talk. It should have occured in addition to it.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:19 .

[lillitheris]

Han Shot First wrote...

That being said, the scene could have probably used a paragon hug (particularly for Sheps who were romancing her), but that hug shouln't have happened in lieu of the 'get back to work' pep talk. It should have occured in addition to it.

Or, you know, they could let the player make the decisions for themselves.

[AlexPorto111]

AlexPorto111 wrote...

Hey guys,i just found out that my save got the famous Liara Romance Bug,i romanced Liara in me1 and in the LOTSB.But she still says that its been years since they were together in the beginning of ME3 on the first conversation aboard the Normandy.There are some changes on the romance overall?

Also,on Earth,Liara mentioned about the little blue children,she says that always,or its just when you have the LOTSB save?

Can someone please answer?

[PMC65]

AlexPorto111 wrote...

AlexPorto111 wrote...

Hey guys,i just found out that my save got the famous Liara Romance Bug,i romanced Liara in me1 and in the LOTSB.But she still says that its been years since they were together in the beginning of ME3 on the first conversation aboard the Normandy.There are some changes on the romance overall?

Also,on Earth,Liara mentioned about the little blue children,she says that always,or its just when you have the LOTSB save?

Can someone please answer?

It's not a bug ... here is feedback from the writer of Liara ...

Sylvf wrote...

For the record, the latter's not a bug. You can still decide to be with someone else up until that point (even if you tell Liara you want to rekindle your relationship in that first conversation in her office...) so we needed a way to definitively communicate to the player "OK, listen, this is absolutely it for choosing your one true romance". I went for the most obvious paraphrase possible to avoid any confusion over whether this was the moment you became a serious, together-forever item.

The former problem, Liara saying it's been years since she saw you instead of mentioing how she visited you in LotSB... I'm afraid that does sounds like a bug. The problem didn't appear during testing and I'm not sure why it's popping up now, but it looks like the game isn't recognizing that you had an intimate moment with Liara onboard the Normandy in LotSB. My sincerest apologies for that.

[Barquiel]

AlexPorto111 wrote...

AlexPorto111 wrote...

Hey guys,i just found out that my save got the famous Liara Romance Bug,i romanced Liara in me1 and in the LOTSB.But she still says that its been years since they were together in the beginning of ME3 on the first conversation aboard the Normandy.There are some changes on the romance overall?

Also,on Earth,Liara mentioned about the little blue children,she says that always,or its just when you have the LOTSB save?

Can someone please answer?

As far as I know, the (buggy) conversation in which Liara says "It's been half a year" and the blue children line in London are the only changes.

Edit: I forgot Feron. He dies if you didn't play LotSB (but you only miss an email here...).

Modifié par Barquiel, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:45 .

[lillitheris]

Sylvf wrote...

For the record, the latter's not a bug. You can still decide to be with someone else up until that point (even if you tell Liara you want to rekindle your relationship in that first conversation in her office...) so we needed a way to definitively communicate to the player "OK, listen, this is absolutely it for choosing your one true romance". I went for the most obvious paraphrase possible to avoid any confusion over whether this was the moment you became a serious, together-forever item.

This, by the way, was an epicly horrible decision…I still refuse to believe they did that intentionally and had other options; I choose to read it as “we were actually supposed to write this whole romance arc for Liara but we ran out of time, so you’re just buddies”.

[AlexPorto111]

Barquiel wrote...

AlexPorto111 wrote...

AlexPorto111 wrote...

Hey guys,i just found out that my save got the famous Liara Romance Bug,i romanced Liara in me1 and in the LOTSB.But she still says that its been years since they were together in the beginning of ME3 on the first conversation aboard the Normandy.There are some changes on the romance overall?

Also,on Earth,Liara mentioned about the little blue children,she says that always,or its just when you have the LOTSB save?

Can someone please answer?

As far as I know, the (buggy) conversation in which Liara says "It's been half a year" and the blue children line in London are the only changes.

Edit: I forgot Feron. He dies if you didn't play LotSB (but you only miss an email here...).

Well,Liara did mentioned the little blue children on Earth,and Feron is alive,so i guess its just that one line that is buggy,the rest my save recognized.

Thanks for answering,Barquiel and PMC65!

[ratzerman]

lillitheris wrote...

Sylvf wrote...

For the record, the latter's not a bug. You can still decide to be with someone else up until that point (even if you tell Liara you want to rekindle your relationship in that first conversation in her office...) so we needed a way to definitively communicate to the player "OK, listen, this is absolutely it for choosing your one true romance". I went for the most obvious paraphrase possible to avoid any confusion over whether this was the moment you became a serious, together-forever item.

This, by the way, was an epicly horrible decision…I still refuse to believe they did that intentionally and had other options; I choose to read it as “we were actually supposed to write this whole romance arc for Liara but we ran out of time, so you’re just buddies”.

Agreed. Other than the endings, that was the worst part of the entire game for me. Having to remind the woman my Shepard has been faithful to throughout the trilogy that she wants to be "more than friends" was ridiculous.

[PMC65]

lillitheris wrote...

Sylvf wrote...

For the record, the latter's not a bug. You can still decide to be with someone else up until that point (even if you tell Liara you want to rekindle your relationship in that first conversation in her office...) so we needed a way to definitively communicate to the player "OK, listen, this is absolutely it for choosing your one true romance". I went for the most obvious paraphrase possible to avoid any confusion over whether this was the moment you became a serious, together-forever item.

This, by the way, was an epicly horrible decision…I still refuse to believe they did that intentionally and had other options; I choose to read it as “we were actually supposed to write this whole romance arc for Liara but we ran out of time, so you’re just buddies”.

That or they were so sick of hearing posters say that they were ninja romanced by Liara. Not that it worked ... I still see posters say that Liara chases them in ME3 and keeps coming into their bedroom all lustful like. I want to know what version of Mass Effect 3 they got because I don't have that Liara. 

[JayPlays]

ratzerman wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Sylvf wrote...

For the record, the latter's not a bug. You can still decide to be with someone else up until that point (even if you tell Liara you want to rekindle your relationship in that first conversation in her office...) so we needed a way to definitively communicate to the player "OK, listen, this is absolutely it for choosing your one true romance". I went for the most obvious paraphrase possible to avoid any confusion over whether this was the moment you became a serious, together-forever item.

This, by the way, was an epicly horrible decision…I still refuse to believe they did that intentionally and had other options; I choose to read it as “we were actually supposed to write this whole romance arc for Liara but we ran out of time, so you’re just buddies”.

Agreed. Other than the endings, that was the worst part of the entire game for me. Having to remind the woman my Shepard has been faithful to throughout the trilogy that she wants to be "more than friends" was ridiculous.

I personally liked that we were given the ability to reaffirm the relationship as some players get bored of their LIs. However, I think this scene should have played out differently for players who had stayed loyal to Liara, it would have been cool if Shepard declared his/her eternal love for Liara, or proposed marriage, or did something to acknowledge our loyalty. I can't help but think BioWare did a half job of the romances in ME3!

Modifié par JayPlays, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:05 .

[Ravii]

ratzerman wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Sylvf wrote...

For the record, the latter's not a bug. You can still decide to be with someone else up until that point (even if you tell Liara you want to rekindle your relationship in that first conversation in her office...) so we needed a way to definitively communicate to the player "OK, listen, this is absolutely it for choosing your one true romance". I went for the most obvious paraphrase possible to avoid any confusion over whether this was the moment you became a serious, together-forever item.

This, by the way, was an epicly horrible decision…I still refuse to believe they did that intentionally and had other options; I choose to read it as “we were actually supposed to write this whole romance arc for Liara but we ran out of time, so you’re just buddies”.

Agreed. Other than the endings, that was the worst part of the entire game for me. Having to remind the woman my Shepard has been faithful to throughout the trilogy that she wants to be "more than friends" was ridiculous.

Same here. I believe they do that sometimes intentionally just to ****** us off and laugh behind our backs after we saw it.

@ JayPlays: Well later on the Normandy where they talk about their little blue children it was somewhat of a hint for propose marriage but yeah that would have been a lot better IMO.

Modifié par Ravii, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:17 .

[Barquiel]

PMC65 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Sylvf wrote...

For the record, the latter's not a bug. You can still decide to be with someone else up until that point (even if you tell Liara you want to rekindle your relationship in that first conversation in her office...) so we needed a way to definitively communicate to the player "OK, listen, this is absolutely it for choosing your one true romance". I went for the most obvious paraphrase possible to avoid any confusion over whether this was the moment you became a serious, together-forever item.

This, by the way, was an epicly horrible decision…I still refuse to believe they did that intentionally and had other options; I choose to read it as “we were actually supposed to write this whole romance arc for Liara but we ran out of time, so you’re just buddies”.

That or they were so sick of hearing posters say that they were ninja romanced by Liara. 

A better solution would have been to fix the bug in ME1

[lillitheris]

JayPlays wrote...

I personally liked that we were given the ability to reaffirm the relationship as some players get bored of their LIs. However, I think this scene should have played out differently for players who had stayed loyal to Liara, it would have been cool if Shepard declared his/her eternal love for Liara, or proposed marriage, or did something to acknowledge our loyalty. I can't help but think BioWare did a half job of the romances in ME3!

…It could have been done the opposite way. Would have made a whole lot more sense.

“It’s wonderful to be here, just you and I, as we might finally be able to be when this is all over…”

“Um, yeah, about that, Liara…”

Modifié par lillitheris, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:17 .

[PMC65]

Barquiel wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Sylvf wrote...

For the record, the latter's not a bug. You can still decide to be with someone else up until that point (even if you tell Liara you want to rekindle your relationship in that first conversation in her office...) so we needed a way to definitively communicate to the player "OK, listen, this is absolutely it for choosing your one true romance". I went for the most obvious paraphrase possible to avoid any confusion over whether this was the moment you became a serious, together-forever item.

This, by the way, was an epicly horrible decision…I still refuse to believe they did that intentionally and had other options; I choose to read it as “we were actually supposed to write this whole romance arc for Liara but we ran out of time, so you’re just buddies”.

That or they were so sick of hearing posters say that they were ninja romanced by Liara. 

A better solution would have been to fix the bug in ME1

I never was ninja romanced in ME1 ... In fact I had Liara turn Shepard away in one of my playthroughs.

If you pick her up later after establishing a flirt with Kaidan she will say that she likes you but knows that you are with Kaidan so she will not bother you. Talk about a look of shock on my face. Cinder was going to be with Kaidan so it was not a big deal but I had delayed saving her so I could see her loopy on Therum. It was better having her shut the door on a romance then Shepard.  




But if you pick her up earlier and plan on romancing the VS be careful. Liara punked PV Shepard by telling him that she knew he was with Ashley but did he like her. When I had him say yes just to be nice BAM! Next thing I know Liara is leading the confrontation. Punked by an asari!

[Barquiel]

PMC65 wrote...

I never was ninja romanced in ME1 ... In fact I had Liara turn Shepard away in one of my playthroughs.

I never had any problems either (well - all but one of my Shepards romanced her ), but I have been told that one of Shepards dialogues is buggy after Liara expresses her interest in you.

[Xilizhra]

ratzerman wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Sylvf wrote...

For the record, the latter's not a bug. You can still decide to be with someone else up until that point (even if you tell Liara you want to rekindle your relationship in that first conversation in her office...) so we needed a way to definitively communicate to the player "OK, listen, this is absolutely it for choosing your one true romance". I went for the most obvious paraphrase possible to avoid any confusion over whether this was the moment you became a serious, together-forever item.

This, by the way, was an epicly horrible decision…I still refuse to believe they did that intentionally and had other options; I choose to read it as “we were actually supposed to write this whole romance arc for Liara but we ran out of time, so you’re just buddies”.

Agreed. Other than the endings, that was the worst part of the entire game for me. Having to remind the woman my Shepard has been faithful to throughout the trilogy that she wants to be "more than friends" was ridiculous.

It's annoying, but I rationalize it with the idea that asari don't have words for "girlfriend" or "boyfriend," and that the word "Friend" can have romantic connotations in the right context. This is just Shepard saying she wants them to be bondmates.
Should it have been done better? Yes, but I can see a way out.

Also, I always thought of asari having skin like, say, dolphins, being both smooth and hairless, but fine scales may also be the case... though the feel would be completely different from, say, a snake, because asari are warm-blooded. I'm also not really sure what purpose scales would serve, or if anything has both scales and hair (asari do have eyelashes).

[PMC65]

Barquiel wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

I never was ninja romanced in ME1 ... In fact I had Liara turn Shepard away in one of my playthroughs.

I never had any problems either (well - all but one of my Shepards romanced her ), but I have been told that one of Shepards dialogues is buggy after Liara expresses her interest in you.

In ME1 you almost have to be mean to the characters or completely ignore them to not go down the romance path. That is the one thing that was wrong with that first game. I liked all the characters so having my Shepard be mean or ignore the character was dumb. In the Ashley thread they did a walk-through of how to turn her down without being an ass. I don't know if there is a way with Liara unless you pick her up last and have locked in your romance with the VS.

The following games seems to have fixed that, although I did have a Shepard have a tussle with Jack on accident. I thought she was bluffing and he was talking smack at trying to call her on it. Wow! I had to reload and make him run like a little boy.
The only thing in any of the games that makes me cringe though is Shepard with Jacob ... . My female Shepards avoid him while my male Shepard gets to know him. Curses on Bioware for that cougar moment!

[lillitheris]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's annoying, but I rationalize it with the idea that asari don't have words for "girlfriend" or "boyfriend," and that the word "Friend" can have romantic connotations in the right context. This is just Shepard saying she wants them to be bondmates.
Should it have been done better? Yes, but I can see a way out.

I’m not sure if I’m in the minority, but I don’t rationalize bugs like that. I don’t know if it’s particularly better or worse, but I just acknowledge it as a bug and completely ignore it or plaster headcanon over it.

Modifié par lillitheris, 07 juillet 2012 - 08:08 .

[Akernis]

frudi wrote...

This however is again the part where I interpret things quite differently (I'm not picking on you, promise, it's just that you got me thinking thoroughly about this scene and I felt I should write this down)

I don't think she had any preconceptions that asari would somehow get through the war untouched or that the war had not impacted her until Thessia. I think she's well aware of the full extent of the horrors that are going on all over the galaxy and it's actually weighing heavily on her, she is after all both very emotional and compassionate.
But her way of dealing with it is to emotionally detach herself by throwing herself at her work. It's basically the same way she 'dealt' with Shepard's death; it's not really healthy - she's not really dealing with her emotions, just ignoring or suppressing them - but it's just something that she does (relevant to yesterday's discussion about her flaws).

Thessia falling, however, was more than she could handle. I think it's only natural that seeing her own homeworld burn and her people massacred would have a greater impact on her than seeing the same things happen to other planets and species. It's hardly unique to her or asari, everyone seems to be primarily preoccupied with what is happening to their own kind; even Shepard keeps going on about Earth when most of the galaxy is getting hit just as hard. If anything, and I might be recalling this wrong, she seems to show more sympathy for what's happening to other worlds than Shepard's other crew and squad. Liara-haters like to complain how she goes on about the horrors on Thessia, about banshees, etc. (and it's true to an extent); but she actually also comments both on the other worlds that get hit and on the other Reaperised troops you encounter. The haters just don't see this because it actually requires bringing her on other missions.

In the end, what really seems to get to her is not so much what happened to Thessia and the asari, but rather her own feeling of guilt about not doing more to specifically help them. What she's been occupying herself with for the entire war, heck, since months before the war even started, has been to help the galaxy at large, she's been focusing on the big picture, trying to stop the Reapers. Now, not only does she feel she should have done more to help her people prepare, that she let them down and is somehow personally responsible for so many dying, with what happened in the Temple there's now also a very real chance that all that she had been doing instead (helping with the Crucible) might have been in vain.

Well, at least that's how I see it...

Agreed, that is how I see it as well, I just had no idea how to say it.

[Xilizhra]

lillitheris wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's annoying, but I rationalize it with the idea that asari don't have words for "girlfriend" or "boyfriend," and that the word "Friend" can have romantic connotations in the right context. This is just Shepard saying she wants them to be bondmates.
Should it have been done better? Yes, but I can see a way out.

I’m not sure if I’m in the minority, but I don’t rationalize bugs like that. I don’t know if it’s particularly better or worse, but I just acknowledge it as a bug and completely ignore it or plaster headcanon over it.

I'm considering doing that to the ending. Destroy isn't that satisfying, so I've been thinking of my own version of the ending or just having Shepard be resurrected somehow in Synthesis.

Speaking of which, what do you picture your Shepards doing with Liara once the war is over? Mine actually intends to resign her commission with the Alliance; her first interest was actually diplomacy, and that's what she wanted to be back before the Mindoir attack changed her life.  I see her as being more of an instructor for new Spectres; now that the insanely violent/risky phase of her life has ended, she wants to be there for her and Liara's children. After they get married (which I'd initially considered as being private, but I think they'd be willing to have it be more public as a morale booster for the postwar) and go on a long, secluded honeymoon, at any rate.

[Akernis]

Xilizhra wrote...

Speaking of which, what do you picture your Shepards doing with Liara once the war is over? 

Two words: Theo's fics

Modifié par Akernis, 07 juillet 2012 - 08:58 .