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[DevilBeast]

Arcataye wrote...

Something that came to my mind while reading Theo's fic.


How powerful is an asari baby when she finds her biotic capabilities? Could she throw herself around by casting "Throw" directly at the ground beneath her feet? Or fly by casting "Pull" to the ceiling? As you know they're so lightweight. (Sorry about the ingame terms but it's easier this way.)

Hmmm... I wonder, if that is how asari babies are, if they use nets to catch them when they are born... You know, biotic charge (now that we already are using ingame terms).

Modifié par DevilBeast, 11 juillet 2012 - 04:36 .

[DevilBeast]

Wulfram wrote...

Even natural biotics like the Asari need both amps and training to be really effective, don't they? So kids wouldn't be too problematic.

They don´t need amps, since biotics are a natural evolved ability as opposed to other species such as humans. but they can use them to strengthen their biotics if they want (like the commandoes did in ME3)

[lillitheris]

I wish I had saved my earlier post about amps. Here we go once again (note that this is canon, I’m just clarifying the terminology):

There are three technical components to biotics:

1. Internal amplifier or ‘implant’: embedded and directly connected to spine or similar. Amplifies and focuses biotics usage. This is e.g. the ‘L2’. Can be used by itself.

2. Plugin socket: a port attached to the internal amplifier, with the port accessible from outside the body. Requires #1.

3. External augments ‘amps’: various types of enhancements that can be used to augment biotic powers through the plugin socket. These may be simple extra amplifiers or special-purpose ones e.g. intended to boost a certain type of biotics usage. Requires #1 and #2.

Unlike humans, who cannot perform any* biotic feats without an internal amplifier, asari do not need any of these…but most of them have at least #1, unless they wish to essentially completely ignore their biotic capabilities. Anyone in the military etc. will likely also have #2 and #3.

* Essentially the limit of their abilities is that you can see they have the ability. I think maybe things like accidentally making a penny float for 2 seconds or so.

Modifié par lillitheris, 11 juillet 2012 - 05:27 .

[AlexMBrennan]

So kids wouldn't be too problematic.

Well, they're not gonna spawn a singularity but it might take a while to clean the baby food off the ceiling when they're not feeling hungry.

[Arcataye]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Well, they're not gonna spawn a singularity but it might take a while to clean the baby food off the ceiling when they're not feeling hungry.

Yeah.
Singularity and such needs an implant and training to be able to focus the energy exactly as a vortex or whatever you want to. But I could see toddlers have small biotic bursts when angry or something, without them noticing it themselves as it would be perfectly normal.

Modifié par Arcataye, 11 juillet 2012 - 06:19 .

[Han Shot First]

Yuqi wrote...

I'm starting to wonder, if Liara is the most cheated on LI. I wonder how many 'new' Liara fans would run back to Miranda/whomever, if they got more content. I'm kind of disgusted actually. Ihave to ask is this an English thing?

I would guess that Liara most likely is the LI most involved in a love triangle, if just by virtue of being the most popular LI from Mass Effect 1.

Shepard seeing someone else in Mass Effect 2 isn't cheating however, and Bioware was wrong to have initially defined it as such. In order for there to be infidelity a person as to be in a committed, exlusive relationship, and no matter who Shepard romances in Mass Effect 1 that is not the case going into Mass Effect 2. Besides being dead for two years (even marriage vows state 'when death do us part') when Shepard returns he or she gets a cold shoulder from his or her ME1 LI. Liara isn't quite as hostile as Ashley or Kaidan, but she makes it clear that she isn't interested in picking up where you left off. Of course her reluctance is in large part based on the fact that she fears going through the grief of potentially losing Shepard again, but that isn't made clear during that first reunion.

For various reasons Shepard ends up single in Mass Effect 2, no matter who he or she romanced.

The above is of course assuming that Lair of the Shadow Broker is completed after the Suicide Mission. If LotSB is completed before the suicide mission and Shepard has rekindled the relationship with Liara, he or she is cheating if Shep then sleeps with Miranda, Tali, Jack, Thane, or Jacob.


@Arcataye

Love your sig.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 11 juillet 2012 - 07:10 .

[Theodoro]

Arcataye wrote...
Something that came to my mind while reading Theo's fic.

How powerful is an asari baby when she finds her biotic capabilities? Could she throw herself around by casting "Throw" directly at the ground beneath her feet? Or fly by casting "Pull" to the ceiling? As you know they're so lightweight. (Sorry about the ingame terms but it's easier this way.)

@Theo
I haven't seen any fanfics about biotic babies growing up so I'm eager to see what you come up with if you are still going to continue your stories until Shepard's death and beyond.

By the way, they are kind of a continuing story so why are they not in chapters inside one story? I actually read "Across the Stars" by accident as I thought it was one of the "chapters". I don't like Liara/Feron but it was still nicely written. No need to change it, I was just wondering why.

It's funny that you mention this, because there's more information on that in the next story that I'm writing, and I just wrote that specific part yesterday!

In my fics, I've so far written that Velyria is still in a very early stage of growth, so she would not have these outbursts of biotic capabilities, but they will start flaring up as she continues to grow, still a baby, but they won't be powerful enough to cause mayhem or anything, barely more than illuminating the place. When the powers actually become substantial enough for her to use, such as Biotic Pull or Push, she would be a few years old by then and she will have developed the instinct to control and guide them, so her biotics will not act up involuntarily. I will show that off in future fics as I do plan to continue showing their lives.

The fics are meant to be read in a sequence, but they also work as stand-alone stories, so that's why I'm not grouping them in one big fic but  rather keep them apart. And yeah, Across the Stars was just something I wrote for a friend, and it opened me up to the idea of Liara/Feron in a non-romance playthrough - they can really work. Thank you for reading it, I didn't think anyone would catch that!

Modifié par Theodoro, 11 juillet 2012 - 07:21 .

[CrimsonN7]

Arcataye wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

Something that came to my mind while reading Theo's fic.


How powerful is an asari baby when she finds her biotic capabilities? Could she throw herself around by casting "Throw" directly at the ground beneath her feet? Or fly by casting "Pull" to the ceiling? As you know they're so lightweight. (Sorry about the ingame terms but it's easier this way.)

I've never come across any fics that have talked about this, sounds interesting:happy: Given that they are natural biotics, I don't know, would it be possible that like human biotics they don't truly discover their abilities until they are young children not when they are infants? It's a blank slate really but interesting nonetheless^_^

Me neither, I wish there were some. Yeah, born as natural biotics. I think they do have some powers as infants but do not acknowledge them until a bit older. Mischievous toddlers with biotics.

Jeez imagine if they could pack alittle bit of a biotic punch when they're infants, lil kids are a handful at the best of times but a whole bunch of biotic lil terrors, poor Shep and Liara would be stressed out. Asking their mates to babysit the kids, more like begging them to, I don't think any would volunteer:lol: Feeding time, bath time and changing time, problematic:P

[karmensandiego]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

You can't twist this back on us, PMC. You do realize your line of thinking, that just because *you're* writing it now, you can do whatever you want with the characters, is what leads to things like Redemption, the rest of the ME EU, and then the entirety of the Star Wars EU as well, right?

Those were writers that wanted to do whatever they wanted with established characters, too. And it doesn't work.

Ok, woah woah woah... I know this is from a few pages back and you lot may have finished this little argument already but I gotta throw my two cents in and back my girl PMC up. 

Now I kinda think I'm a non-biased casual observer of this "discussion" Aristoulus and Theodoro are having on one side and TheMarshall and PMC on the other. 

I haven't made up my mind one way or the other if LIara is a virgin or not.

And as many veterans of the thread know, PMC and I don't always see eye to eye, so I'm not just backing her up cuz we're internet friends.

But at least up to this point in the discussion, PMC has stated HER OPINION and has always clearly stated that this is what SHE views and that it works for  her and she doesn't begrudge you one bit what you view about Liara.  She's not trying to push her view of Liara on anyone else, simply explaining her reasoning behind it.

Theodoro and Aristobulus on the other hand ARE trying to push their views on everyone else, claiming that if you disagree, you're automatically wrong and "don't understand" the character.  That sh*t just ain't right dudes.  PMC respects your opinion, respect hers.  And don't be all arrogant and fundamentalist about it!

Sorry if the thread has already moved on (I'm behind AGAIN <_<)

[Aristobulus500]

No sir, just as I told PMC, you don't get it. It's not about "opinions". There is no "my" Liara. There is no "PMC's" Liara. There is only one, canon Liara, and PMC is trying to change that. I resist that, that is all. I'm not pushing "my" Liara definition because there isn't such a thing.

It really has nothing to do with opinions at all, and you and PMC both continually miss the point by insisting it does.

[Theodoro]

Once again, people misunderstand what is trying to be said here. It's not about opinions - you can have an opinion about Liara, but you can't change her qualities or what has been said about her, because you're essentially turning her into a different character. Having views is expressing actual opinions, not tampering with the character you're a fan of to your liking. As has been said in the game by Liara herself, she's a virgin before meeting Shepard. If you change that about her in writing or any form of fiction, then you're already talking about a different character.

[CrimsonN7]

@Karmen, I love reading all the different interpretations of Liara in fanfic land, some sticking to in game-established canon, while some deviating alittle from the character we know, filling in the blanks and so forth. Personally I enjoy both, but from what we know about asari sex Liara is a virgin in asari terms before she met Shepard, no denying that. Authors who paint a story of her past before meeting Shepard it's open season really, have at it and I enjoy those stories that delve into her aristocratic, academic roots.

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 11 juillet 2012 - 07:42 .

[CrimsonN7]

frudi wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Hm, that looks like a new one... and a cute one. More ammo for the 5xB artillery

Hehe yup it's been a good few pages since some blue baby pics have been posted, someone has to think of the children:P

[DOsquareZER]

So.. unless we get Liara's actual writer in here to CLARIFY (which we wont because bioware LOVES it when we speculate), all our interpretations (yours, pmc's, mine) are all rather basically wrong and OOC and should be dismissed - instead of exploring layers, we're restricted to the confines of the rudimentary outlines upon the scratched surface bioware gave us (i mean hell, a large part of character is where said person grew up, what conditions she was surrounded by - and look at all the intel Bioware gave us in regards to Thessia and her culture). There is not enough information in regards to Liara's character to define her history or confirm what either party is saying is correct or incorrect, and most ''evidence'' is more or less straw grasping for at the very least - and personally I think arguing against sounds both obnoxous and slightly pretentious.  I agree there are limits to her character, Like I really cant image Liara cussing... but this virgin thing - I dont think its worth the hassle folks are putting into it here.  I dont think any of us are suggesting shes a sexual **** and has been doing it ALL the time...but I do think its plausible she may have experimented with it once or twice with a like minded individual or close to.

EDIT: *sighs* pretty much what frudi said...*opens up a bottle of Oban scotch and pours a glass*
Also... PMC, we have a mission. *throws on beret*  Im convinced the 5B squad is holding several clones of Liara hostage in hidden warehouses across the straight of "character" upon the peninsula just outside the boundries of "romance thread" and making her into this lust crazed brood mother to birth at will and launch said offspring at unsuspecting bar proppers... and its up to us to get them(her?) out of there - its the only way we can prevent further bombardments and save on maintence costs!  And show the true way of romance without kid interference!  Do you have any idea how much dry cleaning costs to get baby spit up and ghastly diaper contents out of quality clothes...the color is gone but the scent..its always there...

Modifié par doozer12, 11 juillet 2012 - 08:30 .

[Akernis]

Can't we let this lie? while I personally agree with Aristobulus and Theodoro about her virginity I don't think we will achieve anything but grief out of discussing it. We are not going to change each others mind anyway, the only thing we are going to get is hostility, which this place is otherwise so wonderfully free from.

Two new pics.
I think her armour here looks amazing but as unfortunately often that her face appears off



And Liara being shown the rebuilding of the Krogan cities.

[Theodoro]

Akernis wrote...
Can't we let this lie? while I personally agree with Aristobulus and Theodoro about her virginity I don't think we will achieve anything but grief out of discussing it. We are not going to change each others mind anyway, the only thing we are going to get is hostility, which this place is otherwise so wonderfully free from.

That's exactly what I want myself, but somebody just had to bring it up again, and say that we're pushing 'our view of Liara'. And I really don't want this thread to become hostile, since it really is about the only safe haven out here.

And with that, I'll just leave the Renegade dialogue that I just went to check in the game to further prove the point we're trying to make:

Shepard: Wait. Are you telling me you're a virgin?
Liara: 'Virgin' does not have the same connotation in my culture as in yours. But it is true that I have never done this before.

Modifié par Theodoro, 11 juillet 2012 - 08:21 .

[Xilizhra]

Doesn't "virgin" have multiple connotations in our culture? I mean, it could theoretically just refer to someone who's never been penetrated, which would be far from a requirement in asari terms. Ultimately it's impossible to know, per se, I just find it remarkably doubtful that Liara has been involved in any outright sexual situations.

[TheMarshal]

You know, trying to get the "last word" in kind of contradicts your stated desire to let things go.

[Akernis]

doozer12 wrote...
Also... PMC, we have a mission. *throws on beret*  Im convinced the 5B squad is holding several clones of Liara hostage in hidden warehouses across the straight of "character" upon the peninsula of "romance thread" and making her into this lust crazed brood mother to birth at will

How can you even joke about that, we would never even think about something like that 

Modifié par Akernis, 11 juillet 2012 - 08:32 .

[Arcataye]

Theodoro wrote...

I will show that off in future fics as I&nbsp;do plan to continue showing their lives.

Aww yeah!

Han Shot First wrote...

@Arcataye
Love your sig.

Cheers, I think that quote sums it all up quite nicely and it's a fact. There are a thousand ways of humanity to end, but the final one is if the sun dies before we move on. It is inevitable.

Modifié par Arcataye, 11 juillet 2012 - 08:33 .

[Xilizhra]

You know, Marshal, your Shepard looks like mine, except mine has redder eyebrows and turned out to be a perpetual frowner in ME3.

Also, no, I've never cheated on Liara with anyone (well, I tried romancing Kelly once in the hopes of bringing about a three-way relationship, but no dice there), and still don't have the ME2 Paramour achievement.

[DOsquareZER]

Akernis wrote...

doozer12 wrote...
Also... PMC, we have a mission. *throws on beret*  Im convinced the 5B squad is holding several clones of Liara hostage in hidden warehouses across the straight of "character" upon the peninsula of "romance thread" and making her into this lust crazed brood mother to birth at will

How can you even joke about something like that

your throwing babies at me!  How can you do that!!!? ANd so many!!! in short time intervals! 
thought people wanted blue babies but here you are throwing them away from yourselves at helpless ole' PMC while Doozer gets caught in the crossfire.  I just wanted to be a stylishly dressed drunkard with a fine blue ass..err lass on me arm...not a parent...why must you crush my dreams with little blue commitments...

Modifié par doozer12, 11 juillet 2012 - 08:37 .