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TheMarshal wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

To be fair, the extended Anderson dialogue also violated established canon, which most likely also had something to do with it both being cut and then not added back in with the EC. Anderson was married before and had a child.

I was kind of hoping we'd get something like this in the EC:

Anderson: You ever wonder...how things would have been different? How our lives would be different, if this hadn't happened? I had a family once, Shepard. A wife and a child. Didn't work out though...too much time spent on deployments. Too much time away from home. Can't say I blamed her when she finally left. Haven't seen my son much since. I've always regretted that.

Shepard: There will be time enough for that now.

Anderson: (pained laughter) I think that ship has sailed.

(the rest continues just as it does in the cut dialogue)

That being said  I also was happy with the 'Proud of You' scene as it is in the game, and think it is better to leave it as it is than to reintroduce cut dialogue that gets the character's backstory wrong.

Ah, I forgot about the part in Revelation where it mentions he had a wife.  It's unfortunate, 'cause that's really a throwaway bit of information that is never again brought up, nor is it terribly important to the story.  It just sits there, like a rock in your shoe, reminding you that there are some things that are now established fact.

As I recall it states that he had a wife, but not any children when his lawyer talks about his divorce.

[Han Shot First]

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

To be fair, the extended Anderson dialogue also violated established canon, which most likely also had something to do with it both being cut and then not added back in with the EC. Anderson was married before and had a child.

I was kind of hoping we'd get something like this in the EC:

Anderson: You ever wonder...how things would have been different? How our lives would be different, if this hadn't happened? I had a family once, Shepard. A wife and a child. Didn't work out though...too much time spent on deployments. Too much time away from home. Can't say I blamed her when she finally left. Haven't seen my son much since. I've always regretted that.

Shepard: There will be time enough for that now.

Anderson: (pained laughter) I think that ship has sailed.

(the rest continues just as it does in the cut dialogue)

That being said  I also was happy with the 'Proud of You' scene as it is in the game, and think it is better to leave it as it is than to reintroduce cut dialogue that gets the character's backstory wrong.

Ah, I forgot about the part in Revelation where it mentions he had a wife.  It's unfortunate, 'cause that's really a throwaway bit of information that is never again brought up, nor is it terribly important to the story.  It just sits there, like a rock in your shoe, reminding you that there are some things that are now established fact.

As I recall it states that he had a wife, but not any children when his lawyer talks about his divorce.

You might be right.

I didn't remember the son either, but I've only read Revelation once and it was back in 2007 or 2008. Beyond Anderson being divorced I couldn't really recall details.  It was on the BSN where i read that he had a wife and a son, but of course that person could have been wrong. In that case the dialogue could have had Anderson mention the divorce, but regret that it didn't last long enough to have children.

EDIT: I just checked the wiki, and it just mentions Cynthia filing for divorce. There isn't any mention of a son, so it seems that marriage didn't produce children.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 12 juillet 2012 - 11:43 .

[DOsquareZER]

isnt there something about his kid in the LotsB database thing under his file when he messages back n forth with the ex

Modifié par doozer12, 12 juillet 2012 - 11:44 .

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doozer12 wrote...

isnt there something about his kid in the LotsB database thing under his file when he messages back n forth with the ex

Thats kinda where all the confusion is stemming from.

On one hand Reveleation seemingly (just want to note I never read any of the books, only heard about them through BSN and the wiki) states that he had no children, on the other hand the file in LOTSB makes little sense if the ex is talking about her son who she had with someone else.

[Han Shot First]

doozer12 wrote...

isnt there something about his kid in the LotsB database thing under his file when he messages back n forth with the ex

You guys are awesome.

Yes there is.

David,
Henry and I went to Jason's graduation ceremony in San Francisco today. Such a beautiful occasion! All those gowns and bright spirits. So much potential! I know Henry would frown at the thought, but I couldn't help recalling the pomp around your appointment to the Hastings. You were the second in command, weren't you? The military always did ceremony very well. God, that was a lifetime ago.
 
Jason says to send his best. I'm so proud of him! "Aerospace Engineer." I don't pretend to understand what he does, but the gleam in his eyes when he is trying to explain his latest designs to me say that he has found his place in this universe. He wanted you to be there, at his ceremony, but I know duty calls. He sees you as a heroic figure off fighting grand battles in space. I hope you can make it for the holidays this year. Henry asked just the other day. I know you don't see eye to eye on much but he respects you. He respects what you do. And you know Jason is over the moon when you can take the time to review his ship designs.
 
Let me know about the holidays and David, please be careful.

Love,
Cynthia

I don't remember if Revelation specifically stated that he didn't have children, or children just weren't mentioned when the divorce backstory was brought up. Considering the tone of the email, I would think it would make more sense for Jason to be Anderson's son than Henry's. (Henry presumably being Cynthia's current husband)

Modifié par Han Shot First, 12 juillet 2012 - 11:53 .

[Mavqt]

@noxiuniversitas1

Who's going to bribe Tayg for more "Uncommon Bonds" if you dont have chapters of Nova et Vetera to bribe her/him with, who else will?

*Insert saddest face"

Modifié par mavqt, 12 juillet 2012 - 11:56 .

[mumba]

 Just got out of a 30 minute conversation on why I prefer Liara to Ashley. Kinda random, I just felt like throwing it out there. 

[Goku16]

should i choose the destroy ending?

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Goku16 wrote...

should i choose the destroy ending?

No. Pick control, it's what Liara would have wanted. :innocent:

[mumba]

Goku16 wrote...

should i choose the destroy ending?

Personally, I'm pretty sure its a safe assumption that Destroy is the best ending. 
But, it's your choice to make, not ours. 

[Goku16]

Lizardviking wrote...

Goku16 wrote...

should i choose the destroy ending?

No. Pick control, it's what Liara would have wanted. :innocent:

destroy it is then. shepherd survive soo yeah thats a good thing.

[Goku16]

Modifié par Goku16, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:00 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

mavqt wrote...

@noxiuniversitas1

Who's going to bribe Tayg for more "Uncommon Bonds" if you dont have chapters of Nova et Vetera to bribe her/him with, who else will?

*Insert saddest face"

Oh don't worry, I'm writing a scene in Uncommon Bonds for her in exchange for the lack of updates
And she's also being bribed by someone else.. but I'm sworn to secrecy

Btw - I was so unimpressed with that last A/N. Salsering...

[Goku16]

[quote]Goku16 wrote...

LOL liara and ashley catfight. i have never see this before. its so funny 

renegade is even funnier lol 

[Han Shot First]

Goku16 wrote...

should i choose the destroy ending?

I think Destroy is the best ending. Some others disagree of course.

I like destroy because it is the only one that accomplishes the original mission you set out on, and the only one that truly guarantees that the Reaper threat is removed for all time. In the others (except *perhaps* Refusal) the Reapers survive. It also has the added bonus of being the only ending where Shepard could potentially survive and reunite with Liara. Of course the downside, and it is a fairly large downside, is that the Geth and EDI are destroyed as collateral damage.

Personally I think Liara would also prefer destroy. She is a paragon or paragade, and destroy is the paragon ending. As cool as I think the Control ending cinematic is, I think she'd find the idea of Shepard becoming a Reaper completely abhorrent. I think Control works better with 'Forever Alone' Sheps.

Another thing you may want to take into account is your personal beliefs regarding an afterlife, or whether you believe one exists in the Mass Effect universe. (obviously they aren't necessarily the same thing)

If you think there is an afterlife for Mass Effect characters, you should go with either Destroy or Synthesis. In Control Shepard becomes a Reaper and is eternal, meaning short of being destroyed or turning Liara into a Reaper as well, Shepard would never be reunited with her. If there is no afterlife for Mass Effect characters, there is no difference between choosing Synthesis or Control or low EMS destroy as far as Shepard and Liara's future is concerned. In all three scenarios there wouldn't be a reunion.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:02 .

[mumba]

Personally I never liked EDI, didn't hesitate when it came to pulling the kill-switch.

[Goku16]

Mumba1511 wrote...

Personally I never liked EDI, didn't hesitate when it came to pulling the kill-switch.

but in the destroy, the child said ''the peace won't last''.?

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Goku16 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

Personally I never liked EDI, didn't hesitate when it came to pulling the kill-switch.

but in the destroy, the child said ''the peace won't last''.?

He was lying.

[adneate]

Shepard dies in control that consciousness known as Shepard ends when the catalyst sucks your brain out and makes a new computer program based on all the info it's flash frying out of your brain. Same with Synthesis, Shepard is eviscerated and demolecularized, the stream of consciousness comes to an end with the destruction of the mind. Even if you said "Oh the Shepard VI is alive now so Shepard is alive" Shepard wouldn't wake up in the VI. The VI at best would be a convincing computer simulation of the now deceased Commander Shepard.

Organic consciousness cannot be transferred from one mind to another. The physical end of the mind is the end of that individual.

[mumba]

Goku16 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

Personally I never liked EDI, didn't hesitate when it came to pulling the kill-switch.

but in the destroy, the child said ''the peace won't last''.?

I'm pretty sure the starchild assumes that organic life will build more synthetics like the Geth, that will attempt to annihilate organic life across the galaxy. (What the Reapers don't want)

[Han Shot First]

Goku16 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

Personally I never liked EDI, didn't hesitate when it came to pulling the kill-switch.

but in the destroy, the child said ''the peace won't last''.?

I'd only worry about that if you consider him to be a reliable narrator.

With the EC however, there is no reason to view him in that light. Rather than being presented as the seemingly omnipotent being he was in the original cut, he is revealed to be a malfunctioning AI that went beyond the scope of its programming, by rebelling against and destroying his own creators. He is stuck in a logic loop, continually carrying out the same solution to a problem that doesn't exist. He simply isn't computing properly and would be diagnosed as being mentally ill if he were an organic.

In short, his post-EC predictions for the future can be taken with a heavy dose of salt.

[Tealjaker94]

Goku16 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

Personally I never liked EDI, didn't hesitate when it came to pulling the kill-switch.

but in the destroy, the child said ''the peace won't last''.?

Peace never lasts. 
"War. War never changes."

[Goku16]

adneate wrote...

Shepard dies in control that consciousness known as Shepard ends when the catalyst sucks your brain out and makes a new computer program based on all the info it's flash frying out of your brain. Same with Synthesis, Shepard is eviscerated and demolecularized, the stream of consciousness comes to an end with the destruction of the mind. Even if you said "Oh the Shepard VI is alive now so Shepard is alive" Shepard wouldn't wake up in the VI. The VI at best would be a convincing computer simulation of the now deceased Commander Shepard.

Organic consciousness cannot be transferred from one mind to another. The physical end of the mind is the end of that individual.

so he was trying to dupe shepherd so he woldn't kill the reapers?

[mumba]

Goku16 wrote...

adneate wrote...

Shepard dies in control that consciousness known as Shepard ends when the catalyst sucks your brain out and makes a new computer program based on all the info it's flash frying out of your brain. Same with Synthesis, Shepard is eviscerated and demolecularized, the stream of consciousness comes to an end with the destruction of the mind. Even if you said "Oh the Shepard VI is alive now so Shepard is alive" Shepard wouldn't wake up in the VI. The VI at best would be a convincing computer simulation of the now deceased Commander Shepard.

Organic consciousness cannot be transferred from one mind to another. The physical end of the mind is the end of that individual.

so he was trying to dupe shepherd so he woldn't kill the reapers?

Yep.
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Modifié par Mumba1511, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:23 .

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Mumba1511 wrote...

Goku16 wrote...

adneate wrote...

Shepard dies in control that consciousness known as Shepard ends when the catalyst sucks your brain out and makes a new computer program based on all the info it's flash frying out of your brain. Same with Synthesis, Shepard is eviscerated and demolecularized, the stream of consciousness comes to an end with the destruction of the mind. Even if you said "Oh the Shepard VI is alive now so Shepard is alive" Shepard wouldn't wake up in the VI. The VI at best would be a convincing computer simulation of the now deceased Commander Shepard.

Organic consciousness cannot be transferred from one mind to another. The physical end of the mind is the end of that individual.

so he was trying to dupe shepherd so he woldn't kill the reapers?

Yep.

No not really. The catalyst hates control aswell, less than destroy, but he loaths the idea of Shepard replacing him.