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[Barquiel]

Han Shot First wrote...

I have a non-ending related question for Liara fans...

Bioware is supposed to be rolling out new comics for some of the squadmates, including Liara. What period of Liara's life, if any, would you like to see Bioware flesh out?

Although I'm not big fan of comics in general, I'd like to see them flash out Liara's backstory on *how* she became an information broker. The *why* was explained both in game in the Redemption comic series, but not how she went about transitioning from an archaelogist to an information broker. I think there is a lot of unexplored story content there on how she went about putting together the nuts and bolts of her Illium operation.

Her "homeworld" comic? There's already a summary...

Mass Effect: Redemption’s Liara T’Soni returns to comics in a story by her Mass Effect 3 writer, Sylvia Feketekuty! Now controlling the resources of the Shadow Broker, Liara embarks on a galaxy-spanning mission to find information that can prevent the imminent Reaper attack. Her search turns up deadly secrets and brings her right to the beginning of BioWare’s latest blockbuster!

[lillitheris]

Yuqi wrote...

doozer12 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...
Higs don't help in every situation.

Indeed, i find higs most unhelpful

Edit: D'aaw you fixed it

Realised arguing in some cases is pointless. 
Apparently  rainbows,ponies,unicorns,hugs, and kisses win wars. 

For all the protestations about Paragons being simplistic, I find that I can generalize a certain lack of nuance in the self-professed Renegades. Things seem awful black and white.

If you can’t spare a few minutes for comfort and then get everybody back to work…well, that’s awfully callous. Sorry.

It’s hard to see how such a person could inspire loyalty, but whatever. The game has to cater to those who like the sith, too.

[AlexMBrennan]

by her Mass Effect 3 writer, Sylvia Feketekuty

Well, that's about the only thing that might get me to buy them...

[Theodoro]

Am I really the only one who loved Shepard's speech in Mass Effect 3 in London? I don't get why people are massively disliking it. I thought it was appropriate, moving, and inspiring for Shepard's crew. Certainly one of the few high points in the Priority: Earth mission for me.

[TheDonk95]

Theodoro wrote...

Am I really the only one who loved Shepard's speech in Mass Effect 3 in London? I don't get why people are massively disliking it. I thought it was appropriate, moving, and inspiring for Shepard's crew. Certainly one of the few high points in the Priority: Earth mission for me.

Me too. I don't think it was a legendary, amazing speech, but I guess it was pretty good, and I didn't think about it too much, I guess it means I don't have any complaints about it. It wasn't great, it was good.

[Wulfram]

IIRC the middle Paragon choice in that speech is pretty bad. But Paragon/Renegade/Paragon works tolerably well for me. The shift up in tone for the "but take heart" works, even if it's cliched.


Though I think the best Shepard speech was the one on first taking command of the Normandy

Modifié par Wulfram, 13 juillet 2012 - 10:48 .

[Akernis]

TheDonk95 wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

Am I really the only one who loved Shepard's speech in Mass Effect 3 in London? I don't get why people are massively disliking it. I thought it was appropriate, moving, and inspiring for Shepard's crew. Certainly one of the few high points in the Priority: Earth mission for me.

Me too. I don't think it was a legendary, amazing speech, but I guess it was pretty good, and I didn't think about it too much, I guess it means I don't have any complaints about it. It wasn't great, it was good.

That is my opinion as well, I think it was fairly good, the only thing that I felt was odd was the way it ended, it was just sort of left hanging with no real punchline, so to speak, at least the paragon version I took.

Wulfram wrote...
Though I think the best Shepard speech was the one on first taking command of the Normandy

Agreed, I really liked that one as well.

doozer12 wrote...
Unicorns win wars? Why wasn't i told!!  
Quick... get the PETA science department on the phone, i have a new weapon Id like their assitance in testing for a possible assault on... *classified blue baby stronghold*

*points to own eyes with two fingers and then to doozer* I am watching you doozer.

About the post-Thessia scene, as I have stated every time the subject comes up (and quite a few times even when it did not) I really wants the option to really just embrace and comfort Liara after Thessia. Whether it is called cold, callous and uncaring or "realistic and productive" if there are people that just wants to order her back to work by all rights let them do so. But there should be the option to comfort her there for those of us who actually wants to.
The girl just saw her homeworld burn, quite possibly killing everyone she has ever known from her childhood and adolescence while her people are getting slaughtered, as she says by the millions, and you don't even have five-ten seconds to comfort the one person who means the most to you, to let her know that you are there for her? for me that is beyond cold and the one scene in the entire game I most wants changed.

Modifié par Akernis, 13 juillet 2012 - 11:00 .

[Y3Y00]

Goku16 wrote...

should i choose the destroy ending?

Shepard: "I just destroyed the Reapers, obletaraited the Geth, deprived Joker from lovelife, left us, organics, hanging with uncertainity about our future and no failsafe measures so synthetics would rise again and drive us to our extinction so we could bang"

Liara: *Facepalm*  

[Y3Y00]

[quote]Theodoro wrote...

Am I really the only one who loved Shepard's speech in Mass Effect 3 in London?/quote]
No, but I reckon you'd be a minority. It's not like there are approx. ten fleets out there with millions of soldiers fighting for their lives and the galaxy that need an inspirational, enticing, provoking speech. Just these six exceptional mofos.

[Y3Y00]

adneate wrote...

Forum uses BB Code so if you're not using that, well there's your problem. Also new members can't post images due to ManGiraffeDog. They have to wait an uncertain amount of time.



Other than those two things it's pretty simple.

Your Shepard is pretty. Using any mods?

[mass perfection]

The only character you can bang in all three games.

[noxiuniversitas1]

Theodoro wrote...

Am I really the only one who loved Shepard's speech in Mass Effect 3 in London? I don't get why people are massively disliking it. I thought it was appropriate, moving, and inspiring for Shepard's crew. Certainly one of the few high points in the Priority: Earth mission for me.

I don't remember the words, so it wasn't the most memorable speech BW has ever written, but I do remember really liking the paragon speech. The renegade one I felt fell flat. Maybe that's why opinion's divided?

Edit: I should probably clarify that friend- / LI- interactions aside, I generally appreciate the more... sassy renegade dialogue.

Oh as a random aside, for those of you who read fanfic, how would you guys feel about a smut scene in a fic which previously had... Hrmm.. Foreplay at the most?

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 13 juillet 2012 - 11:38 .

[Aristobulus500]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Oh as a random aside, for those of you who read fanfic, how would you guys feel about a smut scene in a fic which previously had... Hrmm.. Foreplay at the most?

It depends on the portrayal. I'm a huge fan of Rae's "Can Wait" series, for example, and that's incredibly explicit. Yet, I don't feel it's tasteless. Then on the other hand, I don't like a lot of Rae's other fanfics, like "Display" and lots of the other sex ones, because they do feel tasteless.

Basically, I don't think that sex and explicitness alone is inherently "smut". "Smut" to me, means a scene that is pure porn, for porn's sake, and is exploitative of the characters and tasteless. And I never approve of those scenes. Do a sex scene well and in character, in a way that explores the depths of a relationship and especially the emotions and passion there, and I think it can really add something.

[AlexMBrennan]

deprived Joker from lovelife

OK, if you consider that desirable... I think that this is the point where I back away slowly...
<edit>Having said that, I did rather like the interaction between John and Cameron in TSCC because they did actually explore those ideas in more reasonable depths. Here, everybody just accepts it which comes across as very *creepy*</edit>

left us, organics, hanging with uncertainity about our future

That's the nature of the thing. The future is, by definition, uncertain.

no failsafe measures so synthetics would rise again and drive us to our extinction

You might want to look up "failsafe". It's not inconceivable that synthesis might bring lasting peace, but it's by no means certain.

Sure, if you're willing to just take Godchild's (who is a Reaper and thus the *enemy* for all intents and purposes) word for it and believe that the tech singularity, which you've never heard about, is the real threat and are willing to risk letting the Reapers win (you have to take Godchild's word for it - it does not follow from the description that Synthesis is a viable solution to the Reaper problem) so that the tech singularity might be averted (again, you have to take Godchild's word for it - it does not follow from the description that Synthesis solves the tech singularity)...

TL;DR: You trust a guy you've never met before (but tells you that he's, in fact, the enemy) that a threat you've never heard of before is more important than the very real threat of imminent destruction at the hands of the Reapers and that a completely illogical "synthesis" (which you have never heard of before) will solve everything. If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

!SPOILER!

For those that remember the good old days: The "divine" BG2:ToB ending works because the idea has been introduced early on, and the expositor is somewhat trustworthy - the lawful neutral solar did, after all, just slap down (99% of ) the God of Murder for trying to break the rules. It does not work here. Shepard has no reason to trust Godchild, and nothing Shepard can say or do will change Godchild's mind. That scene just fails.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 13 juillet 2012 - 12:00 .

[Pineappletree]

Han Shot First wrote...

I have a non-ending related question for Liara fans...

Bioware is supposed to be rolling out new comics for some of the squadmates, including Liara. What period of Liara's life, if any, would you like to see Bioware flesh out?

Although I'm not big fan of comics in general, I'd like to see them flash out Liara's backstory on *how* she became an information broker. The *why* was explained both in game in the Redemption comic series, but not how she went about transitioning from an archaelogist to an information broker. I think there is a lot of unexplored story content there on how she went about putting together the nuts and bolts of her Illium operation.

I like your idea.

Other than that, I'd really like to know more about her life before ME1. How did she grow up? What was Benezia like before she became Saren's / Sovereign's puppet? When and why did Liara start to obsess about history and the Protheans?

But that stuff would probably not work so well with the comics' tendency to make everything into '80s action movies'. Not that I didn't like the previous comics for what they were. But they didn't exactly strike me as masterpieces of story telling and character exposition ...

doozer12 wrote...
Unicorns win wars? Why wasn't i told!!  
Quick... get the PETA science department on the phone, i have a new weapon Id like their assitance in testing for a possible assault on... *classified blue baby stronghold*

Oh my ... you do know what will happen, don't you?

Entire worlds will fall, being trampled under the hooves of giant, two-headed Tripplehorns that breathe fire and shoot rainbow lazors out their ..... nostrils.

Hmm, might be quite the sight, actually ... I'll contact moreeman so we can prepare our official 'PETA didn't do anything bad!' alibi statement.

TheDonk95 wrote...
Me too. I don't think it was a legendary, amazing speech, but I guess it was pretty good, and I didn't think about
it too much, I guess it means I don't have any complaints about it. It wasn't great, it was good.

Pretty much this for me as well. Wasn't particularly great or memorable (we allready had far better ones in ME), but I think it worked reasonably well ...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...
Oh as a random aside, for those of
you who read fanfic, how would you guys feel about a smut scene in a fic
which previously had... Hrmm.. Foreplay at the most?

Depends on context and execution, I guess. But I don't see anything wrong with it per se.

So if it doesn't feel as if the smut was there just for it's own sake (which can be fun, but not as a part of a greater, more serious, character driven story) and the writing isn't of terrible, blunt, tasteless style (I'd rather not give any examples here ) it can certainly work very well, even add an exciting new level to the fic.

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 13 juillet 2012 - 12:05 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

Aristobulus500 wrote...
It depends on the portrayal. I'm a huge fan of Rae's "Can Wait" series, for example, and that's incredibly explicit. Yet, I don't feel it's tasteless. Then on the other hand, I don't like a lot of Rae's other fanfics, like "Display" and lots of the other sex ones, because they do feel tasteless.

Basically, I don't think that sex and explicitness alone is inherently "smut". "Smut" to me, means a scene that is pure porn, for porn's sake, and is exploitative of the characters and tasteless. And I never approve of those scenes. Do a sex scene well and in character, in a way that explores the depths of a relationship and especially the emotions and passion there, and I think it can really add something.

I agree with you there. I've had numerous requests for an intimate scene in Forever As One (Karmen being the most vocal ). I generally don't read / write the more explicit fics, because the characters are so OOC and *some* of them are just downright tasteless. However, some of them, like T. A. Blackwell's Only Human manage to keep the characters true to themselves and are quite tastefully done, while keeping the "emotional" side intact. I've not read Rae's stuff - I clicked on one of her later offerings and was a bit put off by the content - but I may take a peek at the ones you've recommended.

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 13 juillet 2012 - 12:06 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Wulfram wrote...

IIRC the middle Paragon choice in that speech is pretty bad. But Paragon/Renegade/Paragon works tolerably well for me. The shift up in tone for the "but take heart" works, even if it's cliched.

Though I think the best Shepard speech was the one on first taking command of the Normandy

I'll keep that in mind next time I go through the speech, hopefully that will improve it.

As of now I am on the mind that ME3 speech is undoubtly the worst of franchise, still not as bad as Hawke's in DA2, but still godawful.

ME1's was okay and I liked both of ME2's.

[Akernis]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...
Oh as a random aside, for those of you who read fanfic, how would you guys feel about a smut scene in a fic which previously had... Hrmm.. Foreplay at the most?

I assume you are talking about Forever As One? I am generally not much for it, preferring sweet to savoury even if tasteful, but it would be interesting to see how you do it, I might be pleasently surprised, yet again .



I hadn't seen you had updated it d32f123, looks much better now

Modifié par Akernis, 13 juillet 2012 - 12:12 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

FdL_Ananas wrote...
Depends on context and execution, I guess. But I don't see anything wrong with it per se.

So if it doesn't feel as if the smut was there just for it's own sake (which can be fun as well, but not as a part of a greater, more serious, character driven story) and the writing isn't of terrible, blunt, tasteless style (I'd rather not give examples here ) it can certainly work very well, even add an exciting new level to the fic.

Cheers for the feedback. I'm actually curious as to what you'd consider a more serious, character-driven story. The request for the intimate scenes is for my post-war happy, fluff-filled (eurgh) story, Forever As One. It's got 3 chapters, which are all from Liara's POV. I'd say it is pretty character-driven, which is probably one of my reservations about the intimate scene.

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 13 juillet 2012 - 12:10 .

[Nyxia]

[noxiuniversitas1]

Akernis wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...
Oh as a random aside, for those of you who read fanfic, how would you guys feel about a smut scene in a fic which previously had... Hrmm.. Foreplay at the most?

I assume you are talking about Forever As One? I am generally not much for it, preferring sweet to savoury even if tasteful, but it would be interesting to see how you do it, I might be pleasently surprised, yet again .

Uh, I don't think I could dream of writing decent lovin', haha. I'll leave it in more capable hands and work a chapter around the scene

[Aristobulus500]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Cheers for the feedback. I'm actually curious as to what you'd consider a more serious, character-driven story. The request for the intimate scenes is for my post-war happy, fluff-filled story, Forever As One. It's got 3 chapters, which are all from Liara's POV. I'd say it is pretty character-driven, which is probably one of my reservations about the intimate scene.

A sex scene can absolutely still keep things character driven, if you do it well. Sex would be a part of Shepard and Liara's lovelife, and if you want to fully explore all aspects of their relationship, I don't think it should be shied away from.

There are some things that can only really be shown off, through the intimacy provided with a sex scene - like I said, look at Rae's "Can Wait" series when you get a chance. I believe these are very powerful and intimate scenes that really do a good job of showing off the pure love between Liara/Shep, and just how much they trust enjoy - as well as exploring in more detail the intimacy of a mind meld and what it really means to the characters.

Basically, there's a point to these explicit sex scenes beyond just "OH LOOK SEX!". There are things portrayed and revealed here that really could not be explored as in depth if the topic of sex was shied away from.

So, no, I don't think you should be wary of writing a sex scene, I just think you should be careful that if you do, you keep things tasteful - which is not about how explicit you're being, but it's in how much emotion is shown by the characters, how in character they are during the scene, and things like that.

Ultimately I think you'll understand what I'm trying to say once you read Rae's "Can Wait" series. Keep in mind that like I said, I certainly agree with you about many of Rae's other fanfics being tasteless and I see why it would turn you off from reading more of her material. A lot of her fanfics are written by specific request to fulfill certain kinks, and thus are not really concerned with being tasteful or in character and are basically sex scenes for the sake of having a sex scene and it's just pretty bad and I can't read those fics, so I do draw a distinction between a well done, tasteful sex scene and a tasteless one.

[Akernis]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Cheers for the feedback. I'm actually curious as to what you'd consider a more serious, character-driven story. The request for the intimate scenes is for my post-war happy, fluff-filled story, Forever As One. It's got 3 chapters, which are all from Liara's POV. I'd say it is pretty character-driven, which is probably one of my reservations about the intimate scene.

A sex scene can absolutely still keep things character driven, if you do it well. Sex would be a part of Shepard and Liara's lovelife, and if you want to fully explore all aspects of their relationship, I don't think it should be shied away from.

There are some things that can only really be shown off, through the intimacy provided with a sex scene - like I said, look at Rae's "Can Wait" series when you get a chance. I believe these are very powerful and intimate scenes that really do a good job of showing off the pure love between Liara/Shep, and just how much they trust enjoy - as well as exploring in more detail the intimacy of a mind meld and what it really means to the characters.

Basically, there's a point to these explicit sex scenes beyond just "OH LOOK SEX!". There are things portrayed and revealed here that really could not be explored as in depth if the topic of sex was shied away from.

So, no, I don't think you should be wary of writing a sex scene, I just think you should be careful that if you do, you keep things tasteful - which is not about how explicit you're being, but it's in how much emotion is shown by the characters, how in character they are during the scene, and things like that.

Ultimately I think you'll understand what I'm trying to say once you read Rae's "Can Wait" series. Keep in mind that like I said, I certainly agree with you about many of Rae's other fanfics being tasteless and I see why it would turn you off from reading more of her material. A lot of her fanfics are written by specific request to fulfill certain kinks, and thus are not really concerned with being tasteful or in character and are basically sex scenes for the sake of having a sex scene and it's just pretty bad and I can't read those fics, so I do draw a distinction between a well done, tasteful sex scene and a tasteless one.

That summed it up pretty much perfectly, I could not have said it more eloquently if I have tried, so yes this  

[noxiuniversitas1]

Alright, cheers guys. The input's been immensely useful. I did change the rating to M and lay the groundwork for the scene in Ch 3, so we'll just have to see how it goes

Edit: top, sigh.


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Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 13 juillet 2012 - 12:21 .

[Aristobulus500]

Since you said you haven't read Rae's "Can Wait" series though, Nox, and you actually are like me and didn't like her other works, can I ask that you do me a favor and once you do get around to reading the "Can Wait" series, you post here about what you thought of them?

I'll relink them so it's easier for you.

http://www.fanfictio...1/Ilos_Can_Wait
http://www.fanfictio...agalaz_Can_Wait
http://www.fanfictio...tation_Can_Wait