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[Arcataye]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

...showing off the pure love between Liara/Shep, and just how much they trust enjoy - as well as exploring in more detail the intimacy of a mind meld and what it really means to the characters.

The mental side of melding is far more important than the physical part in Liara fics. At least that's the way I see it and I love it whenever a fic has mind melding being used and/or described in detail. It is just such a complete way of literally showing everything to each other.

Modifié par Arcataye, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:01 .

[Yuqi]

lillitheris wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

doozer12 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...
Higs don't help in every situation.

Indeed, i find higs most unhelpful

Edit: D'aaw you fixed it

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Realised arguing in some cases is pointless. 
Apparently  rainbows,ponies,unicorns,hugs, and kisses win wars. 

For all the protestations about Paragons being simplistic, I find that I can generalize a certain lack of nuance in the self-professed Renegades. Things seem awful black and white.

If you can’t spare a few minutes for comfort and then get everybody back to work…well, that’s awfully callous. Sorry.

It’s hard to see how such a person could inspire loyalty, but whatever. The game has to cater to those who like the sith, too.

Go and read 三國演義, then come and talk  about black, white, and being callous.

Modifié par Yuqi, 13 juillet 2012 - 12:58 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...


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Wow, thats great.

[Arcataye]

I'm very confused about that argument. I know Yuqi is against everything that is considered to be a paragon action but are you saying that there shouldn't even be an option for a hug because that violates the military-Shepard character?

Modifié par Arcataye, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:13 .

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Lizardviking wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...


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Wow, thats great.

Ditto. This is a really beautiful piece of art.  +100. If only this is coloured and used as promo for ME 1.   Epic!

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:19 .

[Mavqt]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...
I agree with you there. I've had numerous requests for an intimate scene in Forever As One (Karmen being the most vocal ). I generally don't read / write the more explicit fics, because the characters are so OOC and *some* of them are just downright tasteless. However, some of them, like T. A. Blackwell's Only Human manage to keep the characters true to themselves and are quite tastefully done, while keeping the "emotional" side intact. I've not read Rae's stuff - I clicked on one of her later offerings and was a bit put off by the content - but I may take a peek at the ones you've recommended.

I agree with you there. I read it last night have to say, I was very impressed.

[adneate]

Arcataye wrote...
I'm very confused about that argument. I know Yuqi is against everything that is considered to be a paragon action but are you saying that there shouldn't even be an option for a hug because that violates the military-Shepard character?

Yuqi has no idea what military means, it seems her entire knowledge of the military and small unit leaders has been gleamed from war movies. Not from any leadership course in a Military Academy where they would have emphasisized a more nuanced and adaptive view of leadership, since an all volunteer army is full of professionals who won't break down easily. Yet when they do a personal approach is far more effective than a simple task assignment since it is far more likely to address the root cause of the morale problem than simply distracting them from it.

But what do I know I only went to the Royal Military College of Canada in Kingston Ontario, it's not like it's a place that would teach those kinds of things.

[Y3Y00]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

deprived Joker from lovelife

OK, if you consider that desirable... I think that this is the point where I back away slowly...
<edit>Having said that, I did rather like the interaction between John and Cameron in TSCC because they did actually explore those ideas in more reasonable depths. Here, everybody just accepts it which comes across as very *creepy*</edit>

left us, organics, hanging with uncertainity about our future

That's the nature of the thing. The future is, by definition, uncertain.

no failsafe measures so synthetics would rise again and drive us to our extinction

You might want to look up "failsafe". It's not inconceivable that synthesis might bring lasting peace, but it's by no means certain.

Sure, if you're willing to just take Godchild's (who is a Reaper and thus the *enemy* for all intents and purposes) word for it and believe that the tech singularity, which you've never heard about, is the real threat and are willing to risk letting the Reapers win (you have to take Godchild's word for it - it does not follow from the description that Synthesis is a viable solution to the Reaper problem) so that the tech singularity might be averted (again, you have to take Godchild's word for it - it does not follow from the description that Synthesis solves the tech singularity)...

TL;DR: You trust a guy you've never met before (but tells you that he's, in fact, the enemy) that a threat you've never heard of before is more important than the very real threat of imminent destruction at the hands of the Reapers and that a completely illogical "synthesis" (which you have never heard of before) will solve everything. If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

!SPOILER!

For those that remember the good old days: The "divine" BG2:ToB ending works because the idea has been introduced early on, and the expositor is somewhat trustworthy - the lawful neutral solar did, after all, just slap down (99% of ) the God of Murder for trying to break the rules. It does not work here. Shepard has no reason to trust Godchild, and nothing Shepard can say or do will change Godchild's mind. That scene just fails.

"noun [ usu. in sing. ]
a system or plan that comes into operation in the event of something going wrong or that is there to prevent such an occurrence," might have been a poor choice of words, but its usage in this sentence fits pretty well with its definition, correct me again if I'm wrong. 

Your argument seems pretty viable, but throughout the ending, I kept in mind that it's a game, its writers are brilliant, but their abilities are limited, they cannot create such scheme. Yes, the ending is ambiguous, but what was stated in the games is canon. It's Bioware's universe, and thus what they delibrately depicted is considered true. And they seem to make Starchild earnest. He did not lie about being the Reapers, nor that he lied about his original creators and their unfortunate fate, so he wouldn't lie about the given 'solutions'.

[Yuqi]

adneate wrote...

Arcataye wrote...
I'm very confused about that argument. I know Yuqi is against everything that is considered to be a paragon action but are you saying that there shouldn't even be an option for a hug because that violates the military-Shepard character?

Yuqi has no idea what military means, it seems her entire knowledge of the military and small unit leaders has been gleamed from war movies. Not from any leadership course in a Military Academy where they would have emphasisized a more nuanced and adaptive view of leadership, since an all volunteer army is full of professionals who won't break down easily. Yet when they do a personal approach is far more effective than a simple task assignment since it is far more likely to address the root cause of the morale problem than simply distracting them from it.

But what do I know I only went to the Royal Military College of Canada in Kingston Ontario, it's not like it's a place that would teach those kinds of things.

And clearly your only seeing  'western views' as correct.

Modifié par Yuqi, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:50 .

[Xilizhra]

Um, is the Alliance not based on Western militaries to begin with?

[joiner87]

Xilizhra wrote...

Um, is the Alliance not based on Western militaries to begin with?

Not sure

[Yuqi]

Xilizhra wrote...

Um, is the Alliance not based on Western militaries to begin with?

No longer  the issue.

Adneate made it personal, by claiming that because I don't agree with  western millitary views,  that my knowledge comes from movies. 

Modifié par Yuqi, 13 juillet 2012 - 02:04 .

[Xilizhra]

Yuqi wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Um, is the Alliance not based on Western militaries to begin with?

No longer  the issue.

Then... do tell what the issue is?

I don't believe anyone was saying that Shepard shouldn't be able to do what she did, only that there be an option for something different.

[Tealjaker94]

Xilizhra wrote...

Um, is the Alliance not based on Western militaries to begin with?

Yes as is the Alliance parliament.

[Wulfram]

adneate wrote...

Yet when they do a personal approach is far more effective than a simple task assignment since it is far more likely to address the root cause of the morale problem than simply distracting them from it.

Shepard does address the root cause.  Which is Liara's feelings of guilt and despair. 

It's not like Shepard just says "Stop crying and go calibrate the main gun".  Shepard refutes Liara's attempt to place the blame for the fall of Thessia all on her own shoulders, and reminds her that there's still a lot to fight for.  Then Liara finds a way she can help.

Modifié par Wulfram, 13 juillet 2012 - 02:50 .

[lillitheris]

Yuqi wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

doozer12 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...
Higs don't help in every situation.

Indeed, i find higs most unhelpful

Edit: D'aaw you fixed it

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Realised arguing in some cases is pointless. 
Apparently  rainbows,ponies,unicorns,hugs, and kisses win wars. 

For all the protestations about Paragons being simplistic, I find that I can generalize a certain lack of nuance in the self-professed Renegades. Things seem awful black and white.

If you can’t spare a few minutes for comfort and then get everybody back to work…well, that’s awfully callous. Sorry.

It’s hard to see how such a person could inspire loyalty, but whatever. The game has to cater to those who like the sith, too.

Go and read 三國演義, then come and talk  about black, white, and being callous.

You’ll have to do a little better than to point to a book (I assume you mean Romance of the Three Kingdoms, which I sadly have not read), like actually present an argument. Nice touch with the kanji, which do nothing to add to your point — but maybe the pseudointellectualism boosts your ego?

You’re using passive-aggressive reductionist logic and hyperbole (it’s not an either/or situation), to support your rather dubious claim that ‘all military people’ would show no compassion or comfort. So, yeah, black/white, and callousness.

…

Here’s one of these unnecessary moments:

[Arcataye]

frudi wrote...

This is simply amazing, one of the best pieces of ME fanart I've ever seen. So much story and emotion captured in a single composition, there's an impressive amount of details where they're required and the characters, their appearance and expressions, are spot on. Just... wow

Yeah I've always liked that one.

He has some great non-Mass Effect art too, just throw Liara and Shepard in that scene and it would be so perfect.

lillitheris wrote...

Here’s one of these unnecessary moments:
http://i1167.photobu...813558306_n.jpg

How dare you, Shepard would never do that!

Modifié par Arcataye, 13 juillet 2012 - 03:10 .

[lillitheris]

Wulfram wrote...

adneate wrote...

Yet when they do a personal approach is far more effective than a simple task assignment since it is far more likely to address the root cause of the morale problem than simply distracting them from it.

Shepard does address the root cause.  Which is Liara's feelings of guilt and despair. 

It's not like Shepard just says "Stop crying and go calibrate the main gun".  Shepard refutes Liara's attempt to place the blame for the fall of Thessia all on her own shoulders, and reminds her that there's still a lot to fight for.  Then Liara finds a way she can help.

Well, first, it was written that way. I can write a story in which Shepard gives Liara a chocolate bar and that makes it all better. This does not mean that it’s a realistic portrayal of the situation.

And, yes, given the situation, it is best to get back to work. But, again, if you can’t spare even five minutes…that’s just cold. It is.

I wouldn’t begrudge you choosing such an option, even if I couldn’t see doing it myself. (I would probably complain if it was offered as the paragon choice which, as I’ve explained, is completely OOC based on past paragon choices, but that’s not to do with your selection.)

[Xilizhra]

lillitheris wrote...

Here’s one of these unnecessary moments:

Does Shepard have Kai Leng goggles on? Or is it Kai Leng with red hair?

[noxiuniversitas1]

Hey... let's not get personal and detract from the overall pleasantness of this thread. Please?


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[noxiuniversitas1]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Since you said you haven't read Rae's "Can Wait" series though, Nox, and you actually are like me and didn't like her other works, can I ask that you do me a favor and once you do get around to reading the "Can Wait" series, you post here about what you thought of them?

I'll relink them so it's easier for you.

http://www.fanfictio...1/Ilos_Can_Wait
http://www.fanfictio...agalaz_Can_Wait
http://www.fanfictio...tation_Can_Wait

Sure, I'll give them a glance later tonight.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Here’s one of these unnecessary moments:

Does Shepard have Kai Leng goggles on? Or is it Kai Leng with red hair?

What?

Shepard just have her eyes closed.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 13 juillet 2012 - 03:42 .

[Xilizhra]

What?

Shepard just have her eyes closed.

What's the black diamondy thing with the silver center in Shepard's eye area?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

What?

Shepard just have her eyes closed.

What's the black diamondy thing with the silver center in Shepard's eye area?

I think thats just the skin covering her eyes, I think the area around her eyes would have been alot darker had it been actual goggles.

"EDIT"

What black there is I think is caused by shadows and eye lashers.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 13 juillet 2012 - 03:51 .