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[PMC65]

FdL_Ananas wrote...

Well then, here it is: Liara 'en profil'


Gotta love that head shape after all! 


And the next part is allready in the works as well and coming along nicely, btw.
Looks like it'll be a bit more ... 'exciting' again, if you know what I mean.

Seeing this made me think of ...



Both are sweet studio portraits and I could see Shepard keeping a copy of it on her.

Liara would have blushed giving it to her not because Liara would have been shy about her body but shy at how Shepard (being a human) might react. Yep. EW Shepard would love it and I can hear Liara giggle over it. I might use this as a inspiration in a much later chapter! Thanks!

Nice job!

[lillitheris]

FdL_Ananas wrote...

Well then, here it is: Liara 'en profil'


Gotta love that head shape after all! 

Looks very nice! If you don’t mind a touch of critique, I think the nose is just a touch short (even ignoring the illusion from the spec, or maybe it just needs a deeper curve), and there’s something slightly off with the mouth. First I thought it was that the relative height was wrong (it is ever so slightly too high up) but I think it’s the actual shape (slightly longer and pointier corners, maybe?), and maybe the lack of curve between the chin and the lower lip. Did you tweak it from the last?

Modifié par lillitheris, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:40 .

[lillitheris]

moreeman06 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

One thing I really like about Dragon Age though, is how they made elves miserable second-class citizens/nomads instead of lofty god-like creatures the way most fantasy worlds do.

One thing they stole from The Witcher, you mean… (The books are totally worth reading, even if you’re not into the games.)

 

Where did you get them I haven't been able to find the books in any store near me

The first two (and apparently the newest one) are available in English on Amazon, at least (just search for Sapkowski). There are a few others, but they’ve only been translated to a few other languages, English not among them (I was fortunate in that there are two in another language I can read).

Modifié par lillitheris, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:53 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

CrimsonN7 wrote...



Aww I like this pic, I would have liked Samara to have been a mentor of sorts to the younger asari, no doubt Samara would have had some insightful knowledge to offer Liara. Wisdom of the elders of asari community, Liara wouldn't object I think if Samara offered her some of her wise counsel:whistle:

Ehhh. The dialog Liara has about justicars in ME2 along with when she meets Samara in 3 suggests to me that while she has some respect for justicars, she also seems disapproving of them in way. Liara just seems to be hostile when she asks Samara why she is in the monestary in ME3, or perhaps she simply have something against Samara as a person?

CrimsonN7 wrote...
I think I have found the strangest shipping ever, yup this ain't right[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie] I never want to see my two favourite asari in this fashion.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie] And I thought Javik/T'Soni shipping was bad, my eyes they burn[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie]

Nowhere as bad as Liara/TIM.

[lillitheris]

I dunno about Samara mentoring anyone. She justicarizes…that’s all she does. She’s probably got far less relevant life experience than any other matriarch of a comparable age.


Edit: I mean, there’s Aethyta, for example. OK, she’s not the greatest role model, but I think she’d have much more to give.

Modifié par lillitheris, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:53 .

[Wulfram]

Paragon Liara would be sceptical of the merciless nature of the Justicar code.

Broker Liara would be wary, concerned that her activities might have put her on the wrong side of that code.

Really, pretty much everyone should be wary on seeing a justicar, until they know why the justicar is there.

[AlexMBrennan]

She’s probably got far less relevant life experience than any other matriarch of a comparable age.

She probably has lots of advice on stonings, ritual sacrifice and genocide... oh wait, wrong holy book.

Fact is: An above-the-law order of religious nutjob knights templar based solely on a millennia old "holy book" has no place in a civilised society. But hey, Samara is blue and has huge tracts of land so it's cool.

Maybe they should have had her kill a few kittens for good measure since people seem to have missed her threatening to kill a bunch of police officers.

[CrimsonN7]

Thinking of who would replace Anderson as the human representative on the council, reading a fanfic the other day and I'm kinda sold on Miranda as a good choice, the council at first protested because of her Cerberus ties but she would fight hard for humanities best interests, she's intelligent, resourceful, determined and is a personal friend of Shep's and is loyal to Shep. I don't know what Shep will do after the war but I just can't see Shep retiring, I know if that was me I'd go off my nut, I'd want to be doing something.

The free Earth dlc is coming out tomorrow for everyone else, I gotta wait another day, gives me the incentive to play some multiplayer again though. Hope the new characters will be fun to play with, I hate the new male adept and vanguard we got in the Rebellion dlc but the Vorca and Quarians are great.

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 16 juillet 2012 - 12:45 .

[lillitheris]

Wulfram wrote...

Paragon Liara would be sceptical of the merciless nature of the Justicar code.

I find the concept a little contrived, but if we accept the premise, I don’t really think Liara would bat an eye. Even the police officers in Nos Astra were fully prepared to face the consequences without trying any foul play beforehand. The Justicars seem to be a fact of asari life; the only anomaly about Samara was that she was out of asari space.

Basically, it seems that the Justicars are just regional Spectres—who also, remember, have essentially unlimited powers—and as such there is likely to be some variance within the ranks though it‘s hard to say where Samara falls on their spectrum.

Funnily enough, Samara is really the only character of the main cast for whom I’ve written nothing  for “Unity”…Unlike Liara (obviously), Aethyta, Aria, hell, even Shiala and Sha’ira…

So, anyway, this is a long way of saying that I think that insofar as I will introduce them, it will indeed be more or less a local Spectre outfit, with some type of an (ecclesiastical?) oversight board, so that despite vast powers, they are not entirely a power unto themselves.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

lillitheris wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Paragon Liara would be sceptical of the merciless nature of the Justicar code.

I find the concept a little contrived, but if we accept the premise, I don’t really think Liara would bat an eye. Even the police officers in Nos Astra were fully prepared to face the consequences without trying any foul play beforehand. The Justicars seem to be a fact of asari life; the only anomaly about Samara was that she was out of asari space.

I just have a hard time believing that. I am sure that Liara was taught to respect the Justicar order when she grew up (like I imagine all Asari are), but given her deep down kind hearted nature and her well educated young mind, I cannot believe that she would not at some point disapprove of the code's black and white viewpoint.

[lillitheris]

Lizardviking wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Paragon Liara would be sceptical of the merciless nature of the Justicar code.

I find the concept a little contrived, but if we accept the premise, I don’t really think Liara would bat an eye. Even the police officers in Nos Astra were fully prepared to face the consequences without trying any foul play beforehand. The Justicars seem to be a fact of asari life; the only anomaly about Samara was that she was out of asari space.

I just have a hard time believing that. I am sure that Liara was taught to respect the Justicar order when she grew up (like I imagine all Asari are), but given her deep down kind hearted nature and her well educated young mind, I cannot believe that she would not at some point disapprove of the code's black and white viewpoint.

Inasmuch as anyone would, sure. You have to remember that the code affects those who do not do kind-hearted things—so the ‘Paragon Liara’ would likely find the criminals worse than the Justicars. This is not a fringe organization. It is legitimate law enforcement, and apparently the asari believe in capital punishment. In asari space, for example, the police would have simply released the criminals to the Justicar, thus avoiding the potential for collateral damage.

So, yes, it’s a contrived concept—and quite difficult to actually imagine at scale, as opposed to the single Justicar we see, but…it is what it is. If I will use the concept, it’ll have to suffer some editing. I think I may just skirt it altogether.

[Pineappletree]

Thanks so much for all the feedback and compliments, guys!

Theodoro wrote...
[...] I also like that you chose a white background this time, I think it suits Liara better this way, for this picture of course. Great job there, man.
[...]

Yeah, as I wrote on DA I had to 'fight' through quite a few iterations with this, trying different poses, etc. But the moment it really made *click* this time was when I tried the lighter background and turned the overall light level up. From there on the rest developed almost by itself ...

kumquats wrote...
@Ananas, nice to see you back and doing some fanart.

Hey kumquats! *waves*

PMC65 wrote...
[...]
 I might use this as a inspiration in a much later chapter! Thanks!

Please feel free to do so! It would be an honor to have inspired what allready sounds like a sweet story!

lillitheris wrote...
Looks very nice! If you don’t mind a touch of critique, I think the nose is just a touch short (even ignoring the illusion from the spec, or maybe it just needs a deeper curve), and there’s something slightly off with the mouth. First I thought it was that the relative height was wrong (it is ever so slightly too high up) but I think it’s the actual shape (slightly longer and pointier corners, maybe?), and maybe the lack of curve between the chin and the lower lip. Did you tweak it from the last?

Nope, don't mind (constructive) critique at all!  So let's see...

The curve above her chin was something I actually wondered about myself. But I never made real modifications to the model of Liara's face. The only thing I allways(!) use is a modifier that basically 'smoothes' the polygon mesh, to get rid of sharp corners and lines in the silhouette and shadows. It tends to 'tighten' shapes a bit (as if the skin was pulled down on the underlying structures) but the actual differences are marginal around her nose, mouth, chin.

And I changed Liara's neutral 'default' expression of course, but only by using the same mechanisms as the game itself does. So that shouldn't cause too much deviation from the original either.

Here's an earlier test rendering of the 100% vanilla model with Liara's 'default' mouth position for comparison:
(also: colors! ... yaay! )


What might cause a bit of confusion though is the perspective. The camera sits actually well below Liara's face (below her collar bones even) and looks up. But it's not very obvious without a horizon or other objects in the scene. Maybe that's where some of these 'issues' come from?

CrimsonN7 wrote...
Thinking of who would replace Anderson as the human representative on the council, reading a fanfic the other day and I'm kinda sold on Miranda as a good choice,
[...]

Depends on how much of the (human) political 'caste' survived the fights on the Citadel  I guess. If they're all still around even Miri might have a hard time to get past that network of suspicions and fights for personal
gain, at least in the short term.
If on the other hand the Reapers did level the playing field for her she might be an interesting alternative.

And I don't think my (canon) Shep would be able to settle for the quiet live either. She tends to get quite angry if she has to sit around for too long ...

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 16 juillet 2012 - 06:26 .

[Promises]

At first i thought my monitor was sort of dirty when i looked at her eye. But there seems to be some white thing there. What is it? (In her pupil)

Apart from that, again, really nice.

PS: I like the expression on the modified mouth better.

Modifié par Promises, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:34 .

[Ravii]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Thinking of who would replace Anderson as the human representative on the council, reading a fanfic the other day and I'm kinda sold on Miranda as a good choice, the council at first protested because of her Cerberus ties but she would fight hard for humanities best interests, she's intelligent, resourceful, determined and is a personal friend of Shep's and is loyal to Shep. I don't know what Shep will do after the war but I just can't see Shep retiring, I know if that was me I'd go off my nut, I'd want to be doing something.

I think Miranda is not that good of a choice. She is too young in my opinion to represent the humans in the council. As far as I know her knowledge of political bull**** is not that of a breaking point. She should at least spent a few years as a politician and their responsibilities. Plus that Cerberus background would the council never/maybe never accept.

My Shep would AT FIRST make a very long vacation with Liara to relax enjoy eachother and finally have a lot of intimate time together because of the war you. Maybe after the vacation she would consider to retire from the battlefield and do a more relaxed role that involves less shooting. The war made her a little tired and everbody especially Shepard deserves some R&R.

[lillitheris]

FdL_Ananas wrote...

The curve above her chin was something I actually wondered myself about. But I never made real modifications to the model of Liara's face. The only thing I allways(!) use is a modifier that basically 'smoothes' the polygon mesh, to get rid of sharp corners and lines in the silhouette and shadows. It tends to 'tighten' shapes a bit (as if the skin was pulled down on the underlying structures) but the actual differences are marginal around her nose, mouth, chin.

And I changed Liara's neutral 'default' expression of course, but only by using the same mechanisms as the game itself does. So that shouldn't cause too much deviation from the original either.

Interesting…thanks for the glimpse into the process!

I wonder if the tightening could actually be causing the illusion…Liara’s definitely still got a little softness or fullness in her face; reducing that, even slightly, could possibly shift the perception completely, especially if the affected areas are in the chin, nose, and cheekbones…

If you look at the Samara + Liara render above, for example, it has the idiosyncratic chin. Of course, it being from the opposite perspective, the effect is slightly inverted.

Anyway, my first suggestion…OK, only real one…is changing the lighting. Studio photography is all about it, after all [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie] Maybe see if you can shade it to leave the top of the chin slightly less exposed, to create more depth.

Still, brilliant work. Wish I had your talent for the visual arts.

Modifié par lillitheris, 16 juillet 2012 - 06:01 .

[Jebel Krong]

FdL_Ananas wrote...

Well then, here it is: Liara 'en profil'


Gotta love that head shape after all! 


And the next part is allready in the works as well and coming along nicely, btw.
Looks like it'll be a bit more ... 'exciting' again, if you know what I mean.

that is amazing and the highest compliment i can pay: exactly like a real studio portrait photo, done with the ingame model is testament to your - and BW's - skills.

[moreeman06]

lillitheris wrote...

moreeman06 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

One thing I really like about Dragon Age though, is how they made elves miserable second-class citizens/nomads instead of lofty god-like creatures the way most fantasy worlds do.

One thing they stole from The Witcher, you mean… (The books are totally worth reading, even if you’re not into the games.)

 

Where did you get them I haven't been able to find the books in any store near me

The first two (and apparently the newest one) are available in English on Amazon, at least (just search for Sapkowski). There are a few others, but they’ve only been translated to a few other languages, English not among them (I was fortunate in that there are two in another language I can read).

ok i was hoping i wouldn't have to go online for them but i guess i will.  I can't resist a good book,  I wish they would translate the rest in english though,  I can read German pretty well but I'd prefer them in english

[DOsquareZER]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I feel basically the same way about that newest image as I do most of Ananas' work. It's high quality, talented, artistic...but just not my style. It's too artistic. But Ananas' already knows my stance by now, so I'm not going to rehash all of that, there's no point.

I do appreciate the effort in attempting to make Liara actually look pleasant and happy, like Theo said it's rather serene - the expression on her face and all, but...I just can't muster up any actual feelings toward it or feel anything other than about it, even if mentally I can acknowledge the skill it took to make, it's just boring and uninteresting to me. Not my style at all.

Eh, i actually like the fact theres are no extravagent use of backgrounds in these images - its like hand gestures and over-exaggerated body motions when your stage acting or having too much going on behind the main actor whose tring to make a complex and lengthy monologue.  Sometimes the action is a needless endeavor and actually distracts the audience away from what it is (emotion) your trying to show - breaking the immersion of the audience within the portrayed scene (really cheezy over acting)... backgrounds can be much the same, pretty eye candy but a distraction from what the author/artist is really trying to convey within the image.
I find pineapples "photography" works damn near perfection when it comes to this sort of thing - not dull in the least, I see more of Liara in these images (not just physically) then I do in most other fanarts/screenshots that wander onto deviantart. 
And damnit PMC quit teasing your chapters   Ill be dead by the time you get to them due to extreme liver failure from blue baby pic overdose.   Or horribly broke and can no longer afford an internet connection due to over boozing... hmm

But as with anything in this world - different people, different perspectives, tastes, and opinions - ill respect it.

Blue.

*edited for typos*

Modifié par doozer12, 16 juillet 2012 - 07:39 .

[PMC65]

doozer12 wrote...

Eh, i actually like the fact theres are no extravagent use of backgrounds in these images - its like hand gestures and over-exaggerated body motions when your stage acting or having too much going on behind the main actor whose tring to make a complex and lengthy monologue.  Sometimes the action is a needless endeavor and actually distracts the audience away from what it is (emotion) your trying to show - breaking the immersion of the audience within the portrayed scene (really cheezy over acting)... backgrounds can be much the same, pretty eye candy but a distraction from what the author/artist is really trying to convey within the image.
I find pineapples "photography" works damn near perfection when it comes to this sort of thing - not dull in the least, I see more of Liara in these images (not just physically) then I do in most other fanarts/screenshots that wander onto deviantart. 

But as with anything in this world - different people, different perspectives, tastes, and opinions - ill respect it.

What distraction? A building behind her would do nicely.

Modifié par PMC65, 16 juillet 2012 - 07:18 .

[DOsquareZER]

PMC65 wrote...

What distraction?

*falls off chair laughing*  Ive seen worse, but that ones pretty good.  Helloooo crop tools!
Gogo gadget beach wedding camoflauge!  Quick fix your makeup!  gotcha covered!

Modifié par doozer12, 16 juillet 2012 - 07:45 .

[CrimsonN7]

Ravii wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Thinking of who would replace Anderson as the human representative on the council, reading a fanfic the other day and I'm kinda sold on Miranda as a good choice, the council at first protested because of her Cerberus ties but she would fight hard for humanities best interests, she's intelligent, resourceful, determined and is a personal friend of Shep's and is loyal to Shep. I don't know what Shep will do after the war but I just can't see Shep retiring, I know if that was me I'd go off my nut, I'd want to be doing something.

I think Miranda is not that good of a choice. She is too young in my opinion to represent the humans in the council. As far as I know her knowledge of political bull**** is not that of a breaking point. She should at least spent a few years as a politician and their responsibilities. Plus that Cerberus background would the council never/maybe never accept.

Maybe it's better that she's an outside the system potential representive like Anderson was, what made him such a good representive was he wasn't a shifty brown-noser politican like Udina, Miranda like Anderson would be trustworthy and would fight tooth and nail for humanities best interests, she would probably be a better schmoozer than Anderson too:lol: And with Shep's backing I could see the council accepting her as the representive, hell they owe Shep big time and even though she has no experience in that world she is certainly intelligent, determined, resourceful and has her own connections to get by in that environment IMO. Plus not forgetting that she helped bring down Cerberus too;)


by RenderEffect-Dan @ DeviantArt

[PMC65]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Maybe it's better that she's an outside the system potential representive like Anderson was, what made him such a good representive was he wasn't a shifty brown-noser politican like Udina, Miranda like Anderson would be trustworthy and would fight tooth and nail for humanities best interests, she would probably be a better schmoozer than Anderson too:lol: And with Shep's backing I could see the council accepting her as the representive, hell they owe Shep big time and even though she has no experience in that world she is certainly intelligent, determined, resourceful and has her own connections to get by in that environment IMO. Plus not forgetting that she helped bring down Cerberus too;)

Okay .. here is my 2 cents and not required viewpoint of others ...

Anderson for me was horrible as a politician and then not only did he shirk his duties (admitted to having Udina do part of his job) but then complained about how tough it was ... oh and then quit!

Here poor Shepard had died, lost two years of her life, Liara was ignoring her but she moved forward without belly aching ... When she finally sees Anderson and all he does is complain about a job she put him in ... a job that allowed him to further humanity ... Eck! And then he also won't tell her about the VS? ... Arrgh!

That Citadel chat killed me and I was hoping for some kind of renegade interrupt ... "Shut the frack up! You want to hear screwed! Pull up a chair, hoss!"



I was glad that my canon Shepard had let the council decide so rolling into ME2 ... Udina was the man. It kept my eye from twitching when Shepard talked to Anderson.

ME3 he was Shepard's pal again. Okay I vented ... now I feel better! OPA!

 

Modifié par PMC65, 16 juillet 2012 - 07:57 .

[Pineappletree]

So first off, before I write the same over and over again, to frudi & Jebel Krong & all you others:
clicky

Promises wrote...
At first i thought my monitor was sort of dirty when i looked at her eye. But there seems to be some white thing there. What is it? (In her pupil)

I guess you mean the highlight? Does it feel 'off' or unbelievable to you? Anybody else think the same?

Would be interesting to know ...

lillitheris wrote...
[...]
Anyway, my first suggestion…OK, only real one…is changing the lighting. Studio photography is all about it, after all [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie] Maybe see if you can shade it to leave the top of the chin slightly less exposed, to create more depth.

Still, brilliant work. Wish I had your talent for the visual arts.

Did a quick test with changed lighting but it didn't make that much of a difference. I think the chin 'issue' might actually be more of a texture / normal map problem than one of lighting / modeling. The same might be true for the 'fullness'. Think I know what you mean there, it's something I wondered about before.

I'll definitely take a closer look. Thanks for the suggestions!


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ToP huh? *runs into archive feeling nostalgic*

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Not enough Liara squint lately!

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:10 .