A WIP of a piece i requested MizzNaaa to draw for me
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One can only imagine the awesomeness once it's completed
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 03:08
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A WIP of a piece i requested MizzNaaa to draw for me
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One can only imagine the awesomeness once it's completed
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 03:17
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Theo just showed my opinion rather impressively in his latest fic.SergeantSnookie wrote...
They should totally add a swimming mechanic. Judging by the aquatic look of asari, I've always wondered how well they can swim.
http://www.fanfictio...ost_in_a_Wonder
I always imagined asari as naturally good swimmers, not hanar brilliant swimmer but very graceful and elegant in the water.
And I personally thing that they have some aquatic ancestry as well even if they have obviously evolved away from that by this point.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 05:32
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I personally can’t imagine why they would be particularly good swimmers, naturally. They have no water adaptations remaining whatsoever—but whatever floats your boat!
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 05:40
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Their hairlessness is maybe kind of aquatic?
My head canon would have them being "aquatic apes", like in the hypothesis about human origins. Apart from not being apes, obviously.
Me too.
But on subsequent playthroughs the secrets of Liara's head tentacles are Shepard's and Shepard's alone!
My head canon would have them being "aquatic apes", like in the hypothesis about human origins. Apart from not being apes, obviously.
SergeantSnookie wrote...
I supported Joker in the argument the first time around because I wanted to know too.
Me too.
But on subsequent playthroughs the secrets of Liara's head tentacles are Shepard's and Shepard's alone!
#44630
Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 05:58
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Akernis wrote...
Theo just showed my opinion rather impressively in his latest fic.SergeantSnookie wrote...
They should totally add a swimming mechanic. Judging by the aquatic look of asari, I've always wondered how well they can swim.
http://www.fanfictio...ost_in_a_Wonder
I always imagined asari as naturally good swimmers, not hanar brilliant swimmer but very graceful and elegant in the water.
And I personally thing that they have some aquatic ancestry as well even if they have obviously evolved away from that by this point.
I really love Theo's interpretation there, and I'm pretty sure I remember something about the designers of the Asari specifically saying they intended them to have aquatic origins and ancestry, and that their design was meant to invoke those kinds of thoughts and comparisons.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 06:35
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ME High - The Girls by The-JoeBlack
Although I admit I'm most attracted to Jack and Tali in this picture (and my Shep and Jack do have do have a little history if you know what I mean) I'd probably still end up loving Liara in reality because of her innocent personality and nerd love for Protheans
Jack is really cute here! Miranda's tie is cool as well. Cute picture!
Doozer ... Cake problems?
#44632
Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 06:48
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Doozer ... Cake problems?
I knew I shouldn't have used the crucible plans as a guide for oven repair...
So not taking Liara's advice for anything mechanical anymore - shes got this doomsday device mad scientist phase going on... but then again it couldve been worse... I let cerberus get a hold of my BBQ once and...lets just say, I shouldn't be spitting out implants like they were buckshot when consuming a steak, with exploding baked potatoes everytime the tinfoil paper ripped and revealed a part of their identity... And the well dressed repairguy kept complimenting me for taking control of the flame, wielding its power for my own purpose...*shrugs*
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 07:00
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Since the body shape of the Asari is practically identical to humans, they probably aren't stronger swimmers than we are.
Humans are designed to be endurance hunters on land. Before the invention of throwing weapons or bows, man hunted by chasing it's prey until the prey collapsed from exhaustion. The hunter would then administer the coup de grace with a knife or spear and carry the kill home to his family. In fact the Kalahari bushmen in Africa still hunt in this fashion. Many land mammals are stronger and faster than us, but few can match us for endurance.
Considering the identical body shape of the Asari, their ancestors would have also been persistence hunters. Their bodies are too perfectly designed for their primitive ancestors to have done anything else. On a side note a body design that favors persistence hunting also probably means that the Asari either sweat, or have some other method of thermorgulation that is just as effecient as sweating.
All of that being said, that doesn't necessarily rule out aquatic origins for the Asari. Somewhere on their evolutionary tree might be an ancestor that was similar to an aquatic or semi-aquatic mammal, but over the eons that species evolved to be purely land-based.
If anyone is interested in how persistence hunting works, check out this vid narrated by Richard Attenborough. We tend to think of ourselves as being weak compared to other predators like Lions or Tigers, but our endurance and our brains make us the most frighteningly effecient hunters on the planet. The same would have likely been true for the ancient ancestors of the Asari, on Thessia.
Life of Mammals - Kalahari Persistence Hunter
Humans are designed to be endurance hunters on land. Before the invention of throwing weapons or bows, man hunted by chasing it's prey until the prey collapsed from exhaustion. The hunter would then administer the coup de grace with a knife or spear and carry the kill home to his family. In fact the Kalahari bushmen in Africa still hunt in this fashion. Many land mammals are stronger and faster than us, but few can match us for endurance.
Considering the identical body shape of the Asari, their ancestors would have also been persistence hunters. Their bodies are too perfectly designed for their primitive ancestors to have done anything else. On a side note a body design that favors persistence hunting also probably means that the Asari either sweat, or have some other method of thermorgulation that is just as effecient as sweating.
All of that being said, that doesn't necessarily rule out aquatic origins for the Asari. Somewhere on their evolutionary tree might be an ancestor that was similar to an aquatic or semi-aquatic mammal, but over the eons that species evolved to be purely land-based.
If anyone is interested in how persistence hunting works, check out this vid narrated by Richard Attenborough. We tend to think of ourselves as being weak compared to other predators like Lions or Tigers, but our endurance and our brains make us the most frighteningly effecient hunters on the planet. The same would have likely been true for the ancient ancestors of the Asari, on Thessia.
Life of Mammals - Kalahari Persistence Hunter
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 07:21
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More Death of the Author then?
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 07:29
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lillitheris wrote...
I personally can’t imagine why they would be particularly good swimmers, naturally. They have no water adaptations remaining whatsoever—but whatever floats your boat!
Pretty much this.
The Asari can have aquatic origins (in my head canon they do), but not recent aquatic origins. Their bodies are designed for persistence hunting on land. If their most recent evolutionary ancestors were aquatic the Asari would not look the way they do.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 07:36
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I did not mean stronger swimmers as in swimming longer or faster than humans, more along the lines of being graceful in water when they do swim, especially since asari (to me) generally come across as physically graceful and elegant in movement.
*shrug* I am no evolutionary biologist, but I am pretty sure that with the exception of the crest and folds in their neck asari only look like that to remind us as much as possible of ourselves rather than for any evolutionary purposes.
But just because asari looks like us now does it not necessarily mean that they have to have evolved along the entirely similar lines as us. We also know nothing about asari physiology beyond the fact that their have a much more adapt cellular regeneration system.
Like Aristboulus I am pretty sure it was mention all the way back at the tme of ME1 that they were intended to have a more aquatic feel to them to suggest that kind of origin. Even if their bodies have now developed as primarily or entirely land based they could still have skill their ancesters used to survive, just like humans do.
I admit that other than their aquatic feel there is little that concretely suggest any swimming abilities, I just find it appropriate.
*shrug* I am no evolutionary biologist, but I am pretty sure that with the exception of the crest and folds in their neck asari only look like that to remind us as much as possible of ourselves rather than for any evolutionary purposes.
But just because asari looks like us now does it not necessarily mean that they have to have evolved along the entirely similar lines as us. We also know nothing about asari physiology beyond the fact that their have a much more adapt cellular regeneration system.
Like Aristboulus I am pretty sure it was mention all the way back at the tme of ME1 that they were intended to have a more aquatic feel to them to suggest that kind of origin. Even if their bodies have now developed as primarily or entirely land based they could still have skill their ancesters used to survive, just like humans do.
I admit that other than their aquatic feel there is little that concretely suggest any swimming abilities, I just find it appropriate.
*fall out of chair laughing* don't do that doozer, despite the proven tension relief of laughter it is becoming hazedous to my healthdoozer12 wrote...
PMC65 wrote...
Doozer ... Cake problems?
I knew I shouldn't have used the crucible plans as a guide for oven repair...
So not taking Liara's advice for anything mechanical anymore - shes got this doomsday device mad scientist phase going on... but then again it couldve been worse... I let cerberus get a hold of my BBQ once and...lets just say, I shouldn't be spitting out implants like they were buckshot when consuming a steak, with exploding baked potatoes everytime the tinfoil paper ripped and revealed a part of their identity... And the well dressed repairguy kept complimenting me for taking control of the flame, wielding its power for my own purpose...*shrugs*
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 07:38
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It's a little pointless to bring in heavy biology and science talk, when you're discussing a race you've allowed the ability to manipulate gravity and create force fields with their mind, anyway.
Basically, it comes across as a little weird to me, to essentially say something like "oh I can allow for biotics to evolve as a natural ability, that's fine, but good swimmers? At least try to be realistic, man!"
Basically, it comes across as a little weird to me, to essentially say something like "oh I can allow for biotics to evolve as a natural ability, that's fine, but good swimmers? At least try to be realistic, man!"
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 07:47
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Biotics and Mass Effect fields are plausible within the Mass Effect universe however, because of the introduction of Element Zero. Sure, it requires some suspension of disbelief. But it has an explanation in the universe that allows you to suspend disbelief.
The Asari having their most recent evolutionary ancestors be aquatic creatures wouldn't make much sense, considering their bodies have evolved a body shape perfectly designed for persistence hunting on land. If they have recent aquatic origins there isn't an explanation as to why they look so similar to humans, when covergent evolution is at play.
That being said it is unlikely that Bioware will ever expound upon the evolutionary history of the Asari, so people can use whatever head canon they like. But for me personally it makes more sense to have the aquatic origins be distant, rather than recent.
The Asari having their most recent evolutionary ancestors be aquatic creatures wouldn't make much sense, considering their bodies have evolved a body shape perfectly designed for persistence hunting on land. If they have recent aquatic origins there isn't an explanation as to why they look so similar to humans, when covergent evolution is at play.
That being said it is unlikely that Bioware will ever expound upon the evolutionary history of the Asari, so people can use whatever head canon they like. But for me personally it makes more sense to have the aquatic origins be distant, rather than recent.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 08:39
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Aristobulus500 wrote...
It's a little pointless to bring in heavy biology and science talk, when you're discussing a race you've allowed the ability to manipulate gravity and create force fields with their mind, anyway.
Basically, it comes across as a little weird to me, to essentially say something like "oh I can allow for biotics to evolve as a natural ability, that's fine, but good swimmers? At least try to be realistic, man!"
Didn't the protheans give them their biotic ability "gift" or at least enhanced it - meaning its not really natural nor did it evolve - it was manufactured and remained. I haven't played the game in awhile (since march) so details are blurry but I seem to remember javik mentioning something about their biotic "natural" abilities..
Im with han on this one though, i dont seee the asari as natural swimmers so to speak anymore than a human being born and raised along the coast is. Unless those asari are hiding webbed feet, fins, or gills beneath their neck ridges and havn't told me...
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 08:49
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It doesn’t really require heavy biology 
The asari are clearly land-mammal-shaped, like humans. They don’t have any visible or known adaptations for aquatic environments.
That said, as always, you have a lot of reasonable latitude in filling in the gaps. If you want to think of them as graceful in water, go for it!
I’m personally quite averse to over-gracefulnessification (which is the downfall of many elf characterizations).
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I’ve got some Little Archeologist Liara in the latest. Kind of.
The asari are clearly land-mammal-shaped, like humans. They don’t have any visible or known adaptations for aquatic environments.That said, as always, you have a lot of reasonable latitude in filling in the gaps. If you want to think of them as graceful in water, go for it!
I’m personally quite averse to over-gracefulnessification (which is the downfall of many elf characterizations).
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I’ve got some Little Archeologist Liara in the latest. Kind of.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 08:55
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lillitheris wrote...
I’ve got some little archeologist Liara in the latest. Kind of.
Wow. good chapter.
#44642
Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 08:58
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Promises wrote...
Ravii wrote...
In the end I can say we all agree that the final Asari design is perfect. That's what I think.
@JDee3
I had the same little thought about that part beeing seperated for a short time and reunited later.
I second this.
I really like this small sequence.
http://27.media.tumb...z7o1_r2_500.gif
I like how this person used it in their ending
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 08:59
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Han Shot First - Thanks for the vid link. I'm a sucker for that type of stuff. Weekends have been lost to the history channel more than once.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 09:05
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Han Shot First - Thanks for the vid link. I'm a sucker for that type of stuff. Weekends have been lost to the history channel more than once.
hahaha - that damned history channel... with all its ...facts and speculations and history and sexy details and...No! not watching! must... attend.. pool... tournament. *head slowly starts turning to the TV*
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 09:09
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doozer12 wrote...
Didn't the protheans give them their biotic ability "gift" or at least enhanced it - meaning its not really natural nor did it evolve - it was manufactured and remained.
It's a mix of both. The Protheans seeded Thessia with Eezo, which caused the Asari to evolve and develop biotic abilities.
So, unnatural because Thessia didn't just naturally have all that Eezo, and the Protheans had to place it there. Natural, because once they did, the Asari just developed the abilities from the proximity to Eezo.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 09:10
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Han Shot First wrote...
If anyone is interested in how persistence hunting works, check out this vid narrated by Richard Attenborough. We tend to think of ourselves as being weak compared to other predators like Lions or Tigers, but our endurance and our brains make us the most frighteningly effecient hunters on the planet. The same would have likely been true for the ancient ancestors of the Asari, on Thessia.
Life of Mammals - Kalahari Persistence Hunter
Seeing documentary like this always makes me wonder how a Salarian, Asari or Turian documentary would be on humans (does not matter what kind of documentary), like I wanted to see how they would describe and talk about us.
Maybe I am just crazy.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 10:06
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Why do Asari call their partner bondmate?
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 10:19
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shepard1038 wrote...
Why do Asari call their partner bondmate?
They don’t! They call their bondmate a bondmate
Two persons, bonded into a union. Bond, binding, same root.
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Completely aside, but I can’t be the only one driven halfway to madness by the smiley icons changing places every time?
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@doozer12: Thanks! <3
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 11:04
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shepard1038 wrote...
Why do Asari call their partner bondmate?
They don't ... that is just what it is translated into Shepard's ear.
Each species is speaking their own languages but through the magic of translators everyone understands each other. Think Farscape! I had to laugh at the scene where Shepard thought her translator was screwing up.
Some words get translated and others like Bosh'tet don't.
Codex/UPDATE: Bring Down the Sky
http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Translator
Sometimes I can't help but think it would make one feel that they are in some Godzilla movie though.
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To swim or not to swim ...
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 11:10
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Well, it's a single-sexed society, so they wouldn't have terms like husband *and* wife, so they'd just have one term for "spouse".Why do Asari call their partner bondmate?
The rest is a result of translation convention - you whatever translation microbes are at work could easily translate that word as "spouse" but don't to remind you that the speaker is foreign.
Or maybe the asari "marriage" is sufficiently different to warrant a separate term, and they just went for a literal translation [e.g. the Japanese term 配偶者 translates as "with dual person" if google can be trusted]
