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[DOsquareZER]

Guerilla_Tech wrote...

 Good day everyone. For some oddball reason, my Liara Save is messed up, so the ending doesn't play through completely. Is it possible someone can upload a extended cut destroy ending video with Liara as Male Shepard's love interest?

To the youtube mobile!

The charge to the beam and beam me up scotty/shepard toss scene.


Everything from shooting the tube to the plaque scene.


And.. oh crap *gets pulled over for impaired youtube-mobiling* you go on ahead... ill be here awhile...

Modifié par doozer12, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:07 .

[moreeman06]

doozer12 wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
@Doozer .. admit it! You loved Leo!

@Doozer .. To possibly get back at Liara for making me believe that she was with feron.

@Shepard1038: Ohhhoooo dirty pool shep1038 dirty pool *chuckles*

But seriously... We cant show liara titanic!  That would reveal my shepard's secret on how to
convince her foes to commit suicide!  Thats not a power she'll teach
to just anyone...

Saren: I cant... shepard... sovereigns too strong!
Shepard: Theres still one way to stop this, if you got the guts!  *Paragon influence check* Draw me like one of your french girls.
Saren: *Click**boom*

TIM required celine dion.  Getting anderson to assist with that was NOT easy.

@PMC:  Me?  Love baby face leo? nonsense!  I have no idea what your talking about.
*slips in her dicaprio fancard through the crack of a door so it can remain in the closet with the unconcious garrus*  The script in that movie was horrible... leo just made unbearable.  But it could've been worse *coughs padme/anakin romance*
@Moree:  And doozer is a she. 
Edit: hmm what an awkward moment to be caught topless... hang on.

a she ok well then i guess i won't have to refer to you as a canuck anymore:D

[Yuqi]

Batlass8 wrote...

doozer12 wrote...

Because sitting through titanic to mere human senses is like... is like...
*runs nails down a chalkboard while simultaneously bashing your head with a dutch-oven lid*
... why would you do that to Liara!?!?!

Breaking deep cover to wholeheartedly promote this wise, truthful, insightful, and profound analysis of one of the worst things ever to happen to movies. 

Thirded.

Although twilight is worse...

And...

[DOsquareZER]

And there it is...yuqi wins! (it being twilight lol)
And apology for short and off topic post - fill it in with some blue.

Modifié par doozer12, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:38 .

[Han Shot First]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Feron and Liara could have worked if not for LotSB. LotSB friendzones Feron rather thoroughly, probably because of fan speculation about Feron after the comics.

After LotSB it would have felt OOC.

How is that the case, if Shepard isn't romancing Liara? Honestly curious. I've never played through LotSB and not romanced Liara, so...

Actually come to think of it I've never played through LotSB without romancing Liara either, so I'm not sure if the dialogue about whether Liara has feelings for Feron is present in an unromanced playthrough. But I think Liara is the same character whether romanced or unromanced, and when Liara is an LI she has dialogue that indicates she doesn't view Feron as anything other than a friend.

If Bioware had Liara and Feron hook up in ME3 in an unromanced playthrough, I think it would have just fueled speculation that Liara wasn't totally honest with Shepard in LotSB about how she felt about Feron. For that reason Feron/Liara shipping doesn't really work for me, as I think Liara is utterly without guile. Or at least she is as far as Shepard or her friends are concerned. I view her as more of the type that would have admitted to being attracted to Feron but not acting on it because she was in love with Shepard. (if romanced of course)

Because of the LotSB dialogue, if Bioware had decided to have unromanced Liara hook up with someone in ME3 , I think Kaidan would have worked better.  Or they could have also introduced a completely new character for that purpose, much like they did with Dr Cole for Jacob.

jtav wrote...
Some questions for you guys:
Does cheating earn you anything beyond a snippy content? Does change any other dialogue?
What does fixing the LOTSB bug change?

The writers handled the love triangle with Liara and the ME2 love interests well I think. Assuming Shepard continues the romance with Liara in ME3, it was hashed out in LotSB and Shepard doesn't catch any flak for it. My Shep romanced Miranda In ME2 (pre-LotSB) and Liara mentions it in ME3, but her tone is understanding. She tells Shepard that she knows he and Miranda were close, and asks if that is in the past.

I believe she has some snippy dialogue however if Shepard romances Tali or Jack in ME2, and continues the romance with either one in ME3. Or at least she does if you bring her along to the Geth dreadnought or Grisson Academy. I'm not sure about Miranda.

[Guerilla_Tech]

doozer12 wrote...

Guerilla_Tech wrote...

 Good day everyone. For some oddball reason, my Liara Save is messed up, so the ending doesn't play through completely. Is it possible someone can upload a extended cut destroy ending video with Liara as Male Shepard's love interest?

To the youtube mobile!

The charge to the beam and beam me up scotty/shepard toss scene.


Everything from shooting the tube to the plaque scene.


And.. oh crap *gets pulled over for impaired youtube-mobiling* you go on ahead... ill be here awhile...

You are awesome, thanks! I was so annoyed when my game skipped every scene after the crucible fired off.
I wish there was a thanks button on this forum.

[shepard1038]

Han Shot First wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Feron and Liara could have worked if not for LotSB. LotSB friendzones Feron rather thoroughly, probably because of fan speculation about Feron after the comics.

After LotSB it would have felt OOC.

How is that the case, if Shepard isn't romancing Liara? Honestly curious. I've never played through LotSB and not romanced Liara, so...

Actually come to think of it I've never played through LotSB without romancing Liara either, so I'm not sure if the dialogue about whether Liara has feelings for Feron is present in an unromanced playthrough. But I think Liara is the same character whether romanced or unromanced, and when Liara is an LI she has dialogue that indicates she doesn't view Feron as anything other than a friend.

If Bioware had Liara and Feron hook up in ME3 in an unromanced playthrough, I think it would have just fueled speculation that Liara wasn't totally honest with Shepard in LotSB about how she felt about Feron. For that reason Feron/Liara shipping doesn't really work for me, as I think Liara is utterly without guile. Or at least she is as far as Shepard or her friends are concerned. I view her as more of the type that would have admitted to being attracted to Feron but not acting on it because she was in love with Shepard. (if romanced of course)

Because of the LotSB dialogue, if Bioware had decided to have unromanced Liara hook up with someone in ME3 , I think Kaidan would have worked better.  Or they could have also introduced a completely new character for that purpose, much like they did with Dr Cole for Jacob.

jtav wrote...
Some questions for you guys:
Does cheating earn you anything beyond a snippy content? Does change any other dialogue?
What does fixing the LOTSB bug change?

The writers handled the love triangle with Liara and the ME2 love interests well I think. Assuming Shepard continues the romance with Liara in ME3, it was hashed out in LotSB and Shepard doesn't catch any flak for it. My Shep romanced Miranda In ME2 (pre-LotSB) and Liara mentions it in ME3, but her tone is understanding. She tells Shepard that she knows he and Miranda were close, and asks if that is in the past.

I believe she has some snippy dialogue however if Shepard romances Tali or Jack in ME2, and continues the romance with either one in ME3. Or at least she does if you bring her along to the Geth dreadnought or Grisson Academy. I'm not sure about Miranda.

I had played through Lair Of The Shadow Broker without romancing Liara (Don't judge me) and no Liara doesn't show any interest in feron. If Liara would have hook up with feron in Mass Effect 3, it would have OOC. Since Liara even in a non-romanced playthrough doesn't show interest in feron and only views him as a friend.

You can view here the non-romanced dialogue:

I think i saw a video that if you romanced someone in Mass Effect 3 Liara breaks up with you and gets mad.Also why would you ever cheat on Liara? Am i the only one getting nostalgia from Mass Effect 2?

Modifié par shepard1038, 26 juillet 2012 - 06:36 .

[JDee3]

I've always gotten the sense that no matter what Liara is in love with Shepard.  If anything, Shep was the first person Liara was ever even interested in, in her entire life. That's just what it seems like to me even if you don't romance her.

I saw the same video with Liara getting mad in ME3 and breaking up with you.. honestly didn't even think one could cheat in ME3 but I didn't like seeing her mad at Shep she seemed really hurt if I remember correctly...

On another note.. who remembers her twitchy eye in ME1? 


ME1 Com: Meeting Liara by Nina Serena

Modifié par JDee3, 26 juillet 2012 - 07:02 .

[Aristobulus500]

Why do people want to post Liara bashing comics in this thread

[Han Shot First]

shepard1038 wrote...

Also why would you ever cheat on Liara? Am i the only one getting nostalgia from Mass Effect 2?

It isn't really cheating, and Bioware was wrong to define it as such. If presenting Shepard with a moral dilemma is what Bioware was aiming for it, it was badly executed.

Regardless of who Shepard romanced in ME1, he or she ends up single in Mass Effect 2. The Virmire Survivor is more hostile than Liara, but even Liara makes it clear that she isn't interested at that time in picking up where things left off. Of course the reason for Liara's hesitation is that she's afraid of going through the grief of losing Shepard again and she is preoccupied with rescuing Feron, but the end result is still the same as with the VS: Shepard ends up single.

The player can then decide to have Shepard wait for Liara in the hope that they'll be reconciled, or the player can have Shepard see someone else. Either decision is valid, and neither would be unethical for Shepard.

After quite a bit of criticism aimed at Bioware for defining the ME2 romances as 'cheating,' I think they came to realize the blunder they made with the writing in regards to the ME1 romances, and backed off the promised consequences in LotSB and ME3. You have to be in a relationship to cheat, and Bioware's handling of the ME1 LIs left Shepard solo in ME2.

All of that being said, that is also assuming that Lair of the Shadow Broker is completed after the suicide mission. If the player runs through LotSB first and rekindles the relationship with Liara, only to then sleep with one of the ME2 LIs prior to jumping through the Omega IV relay...Shepard has indeed cheated on Liara.

[JDee3]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

Why do people want to post Liara bashing comics in this thread

Hehe sorry. Just reminiscing the good old days  to think of it I feel like Shep enjoyed teasing Liara all the time.. at least mine did 

I really LOVE this picture tho. One of the best I've seen by far of Liara's darker side. Don't think anyone's posted it on this thread yet



http://browse.devian...et=312#/d53xoj2

[Aristobulus500]

I don't know, I don't really agree that Liara has broken up with Shepard after Illium. At least, if you say the right things to her anyway - to me, she clearly shows that she's still interested, she's just scared about what will happen with Shepard, and what he thinks of her. She's afraid that Shepard will hate her for what she's done, and she did want to finish tracking down the Shadow Broker also.

But I mean - the first thing she does when she sees Shepard again is embrace him and kiss him. That shows interest - and then if you talk to her, just how distressed she sounds, how worried about what Shepard must think - how can you listen to that and say Liara had broken up with Shepard?

[rubynorman]

It's only a couple of months and Liara did kiss Shepard when they meet again. "Because I couldn't let you go" It's pretty obvious that she is still in love with Shepard. They didn't break up "officially".  To me ME2 romance is cheating.

[JDee3]

Well this is how I veiw the relationship throughout the games...
It is true that whatever Liara and Shep had never seemed to be official. It was kind of like they both had mutual feelings and were open about it with each other but always wanted that right timing.

In ME1 they have alot of hope for their future as a couple because the mission seems simple.. Stop Saren and one Reaper and then hopefully the council or whoever will believe you and prepare for the war so you can relax till it's time to kick ass. It was something they could both mentally and physically come back from basically. 

You get to ME2 and you're going on a suicide mission where it's like ok I guess it's time to say goodbye to everything I did know and have even though I kinda already lost it when I died the first time. When she kisses Shepard in their reunion it wasn't even an I love/miss you kiss, it was more like Liara seeing Shepard (thinking she misses him which you can tell in her voice) and stepping out of her new broker persona, rushing back to who she used to be for just a second to see if hope/future for the relationship (for things to be normal) is still there even though so much had happened and changed.. and their wasn't by the way she looks away, nods her head no and then goes straight to bussiness with neither acknowledging much because deep inside they're both hurt by this but know they have jobs to do.

Then LotSB is just amazing where they both finally get the chance to breathe with no urgent problem either of them need to adress at that very moment and realize the extent of their love being Liara is the only thing Shepard really truly has and Shepard being the one person Liara would do anything for and will always love, care and want him more than her studies of the Protheans. And no matter what they need each other to get through everything that is happening.. then they get seperated when Shepard is arrested<_<
and yeah.. won't go into detail on ME3 because this is really long already and it makes me sad :[

Modifié par JDee3, 26 juillet 2012 - 07:47 .

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Han Shot First wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Also why would you ever cheat on Liara? Am i the only one getting nostalgia from Mass Effect 2?

It isn't really cheating, and Bioware was wrong to define it as such. If presenting Shepard with a moral dilemma is what Bioware was aiming for it, it was badly executed.

Regardless of who Shepard romanced in ME1, he or she ends up single in Mass Effect 2. The Virmire Survivor is more hostile than Liara, but even Liara makes it clear that she isn't interested at that time in picking up where things left off. Of course the reason for Liara's hesitation is that she's afraid of going through the grief of losing Shepard again and she is preoccupied with rescuing Feron, but the end result is still the same as with the VS: Shepard ends up single.

The player can then decide to have Shepard wait for Liara in the hope that they'll be reconciled, or the player can have Shepard see someone else. Either decision is valid, and neither would be unethical for Shepard.

After quite a bit of criticism aimed at Bioware for defining the ME2 romances as 'cheating,' I think they came to realize the blunder they made with the writing in regards to the ME1 romances, and backed off the promised consequences in LotSB and ME3. You have to be in a relationship to cheat, and Bioware's handling of the ME1 LIs left Shepard solo in ME2.

All of that being said, that is also assuming that Lair of the Shadow Broker is completed after the suicide mission. If the player runs through LotSB first and rekindles the relationship with Liara, only to then sleep with one of the ME2 LIs prior to jumping through the Omega IV relay...Shepard has indeed cheated on Liara.

I guess I agree with this, even though I never romanced anyone in ME2. I suppose my Shepard was clinging to the stray bit of hope that Liara would want to rekindle it sometime.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 26 juillet 2012 - 07:54 .

[Ajosraa]

Modifié par Ajosraa, 26 juillet 2012 - 07:48 .

[shepard1038]

Han Shot First wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Also why would you ever cheat on Liara? Am i the only one getting nostalgia from Mass Effect 2?

It isn't really cheating, and Bioware was wrong to define it as such. If presenting Shepard with a moral dilemma is what Bioware was aiming for it, it was badly executed.

Regardless of who Shepard romanced in ME1, he or she ends up single in Mass Effect 2. The Virmire Survivor is more hostile than Liara, but even Liara makes it clear that she isn't interested at that time in picking up where things left off. Of course the reason for Liara's hesitation is that she's afraid of going through the grief of losing Shepard again and she is preoccupied with rescuing Feron, but the end result is still the same as with the VS: Shepard ends up single.

The player can then decide to have Shepard wait for Liara in the hope that they'll be reconciled, or the player can have Shepard see someone else. Either decision is valid, and neither would be unethical for Shepard.

After quite a bit of criticism aimed at Bioware for defining the ME2 romances as 'cheating,' I think they came to realize the blunder they made with the writing in regards to the ME1 romances, and backed off the promised consequences in LotSB and ME3. You have to be in a relationship to cheat, and Bioware's handling of the ME1 LIs left Shepard solo in ME2.

All of that being said, that is also assuming that Lair of the Shadow Broker is completed after the suicide mission. If the player runs through LotSB first and rekindles the relationship with Liara, only to then sleep with one of the ME2 LIs prior to jumping through the Omega IV relay...Shepard has indeed cheated on Liara.

No, he doesn't if you romanced Liara in Mass Effect 1. Shepard never broke up with Liara. And Liara knew that Cerberus was attempting to reconstrute Shepard. Your talking to the person that saved your life and gave your body to Cerberus so you could live.

If that is something to take is that Liara loves Shepard and Shepard should stop to think of this for a while.
The morally right desicion if you want to leave Liara is to wait to talk with Liara about their relationship and then broke up, not cheat on her and then ask her if they are still together. That is if you do Lair of the shadow broker before the suicide mission. Lotsb was designed to be play before the suicide mission.
 
And you can only cheat at the end so if you play lotsb and are reconciled with Liara and then you romanced someone else, you're cheating. The Virmire survivor is more hostile because you are working with Cerberus.

Modifié par shepard1038, 26 juillet 2012 - 07:57 .

[PMC65]

Shepard did not read the comic Redemption to know what Liara did or has any clue to what she thinks at the point you meet her on Illium. The first time that I played ME2 it was pretty clear based off the little wheel choices that EW Shepard chose that her relationship with Liara was no longer valid.

It had been two years .. Shepard got that. So when Liara didn't say "Shepard! My love!" *cue the Corrs' Breathless* "Nyxeris, I'm leaving for the rest of the day! Shepard, dump your friends and let's go back to my place!" Well ... there it was. Life goes on.

But I also think that Liara had no plans on reuniting with Shepard. Losing her had really hurt and she was not willing to go back into the flame. Instead she pushed Shepard away and kept her focus on revenge.

Had there been a tempting character in ME2 who knows if EW would have just moved on ... at least temporarily. Poor Ash saw her Shepard move on to Miranda after Horizon ... but he returned to her in ME3. Liara might not have been so lucky. She might have lost everything to the darkness she fell into after Shepard's death.

[Han Shot First]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I don't know, I don't really agree that Liara has broken up with Shepard after Illium. At least, if you say the right things to her anyway - to me, she clearly shows that she's still interested, she's just scared about what will happen with Shepard, and what he thinks of her. She's afraid that Shepard will hate her for what she's done, and she did want to finish tracking down the Shadow Broker also.

But I mean - the first thing she does when she sees Shepard again is embrace him and kiss him. That shows interest - and then if you talk to her, just how distressed she sounds, how worried about what Shepard must think - how can you listen to that and say Liara had broken up with Shepard?

It isn't that Liara has broken up with Shepard.

Their relationship ended the moment Shepard was spaced and the oxygen leaked out of his suit. If things had gone differently on Illium Shepard may have been able to rekindle a relationship with Liara, but I don't think Shepard is in one prior that first reunion. Liara clearly still has feelings for Shepard, but her signals are also very mixed. She kisses him briefly, but then just as quickly backs off and shakes her head 'no,' as in 'that was a mistake.' She also turns down Shepard's invitation to join the ME2 crew.

Now had these been real people I think they would have talked more about the status of their relationship, instead of just getting down to the business of hacking terminals or tracking down Thane or Samara. Real people would have got some closure either way. The ME2 reunion was handled very badly. But as it is, it ends IMO with Shepard and Liara not in a relationship. She still cares for him, and Shepard *may* still care for her (dependent on the player of course), but it also takes more than that to be in a relationship. The 'no' head shake and the refusal to join the Normandy, leaves Shepard single from my perspective.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:04 .

[Promises]

Guerilla_Tech wrote...

 Good day everyone. For some oddball reason, my Liara Save is messed up, so the ending doesn't play through completely. Is it possible someone can upload a extended cut destroy ending video with Liara as Male Shepard's love interest?

If doozers links dont satisfy you i can render my separate files into a single piece. (4.7Gb fragments) Recorded everything from the priority earth mission as paragon, Mshep, liara LI, destroy. Send me a PM if u want that.

Aristobulus500 wrote...

I don't know, I don't really agree that Liara has broken up with Shepard after Illium. At least, if you say the right things to her anyway - to me, she clearly shows that she's still interested, she's just scared about what will happen with Shepard, and what he thinks of her. She's afraid that Shepard will hate her for what she's done, and she did want to finish tracking down the Shadow Broker also.

But I mean - the first thing she does when she sees Shepard again is embrace him and kiss him. That shows interest - and then if you talk to her, just how distressed she sounds, how worried about what Shepard must think - how can you listen to that and say Liara had broken up with Shepard?

Got a lack of theory of mind here and i actually was a bit worried when i first met her in ME2 (as in after being rebuilt). I selected every option but i still wasnt sure how the relationship status from back in ME1 was at that moment. This being a game and not real life doesnt make it much easier.

Anyway i was unsure until the after the SB defeat. And the talk after made me unsure again until the captains cabin scene.

Modifié par Promises, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:08 .

[shepard1038]

@Han Shot First

Clearly has a guilty conscience. Because he cheated. No, but seriously you have a point, before lotsb Shepard
romancing someone else can be say as moving on.

@Promises

Of course you don't know if Liara and Shepard are in a relationship until after lotsb. But at least you know when you meet Liara at Illium that she has feelings for Shepard. I just don't know how you can justify cheating after completing lotsb.

Modifié par shepard1038, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:18 .

[Han Shot First]

No, he doesn't if you romanced Liara in Mass Effect 1. Shepard never broke up with Liara. And Liara knew that Cerberus was attempting to reconstrute Shepard. Your talking to the person that saved your life and gave your body to Cerberus so you could live.

Liara has a leg up on the VS in that she knows about the Lazarus Project and was involved in recovering Shepard's corpse for that purpose.

But she can't have any realistic expectations that Shepard will be resurrected. Hope perhaps, but not expectations. The Lazarus Project represents the greatest medical breakthrough in not only the history of mankind, but also the history of the entire galaxy. As such it is a ridiculous long shot. She can't expect that Shepard is going to be brought back as 100% of the persn he or she was before, as it is highly experimental and hasn't been done before. There would be a great chance that the Lazarus Project would also fail.

As such I don't think Liara went through that two years thinking she was still in a relationship with Shepard.

The above is all speculation of course, but reasonable I think considering the nature of the Lazarus Project and Liara's conflicted reaction to meeting Shepard in ME2.

If that is something to take is that Liara loves Shepard and Shepard should stop to think of this for a while.
The morally right desicion if you want to leave Liara is to wait to talk with Liara about their relationship and then broke up, not cheat on her and then ask her if they are still together. That is if you do Lair of the shadow broker before the suicide mission. Lotsb was designed to be play before the suicide mission.

I initially played LotSB after the main game for Mass Effect 2, as it was released a long time after ME2. While the DLC can be played at any point, I also happen to prefer the dialogue in LotSB if it is played after ME2.

@Han Shot First
Clearly has a guilty conscience. Because he cheated.

Infidelity requires being in a committed relationship. The way Bioware wrote the reunion scene, it leaves Shepard single IMO.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:21 .

[PMC65]

Miranda tells Liara "We may not be able to restore Shepard after all. The body is in worse shape then we expected. There were some preservation systems in the pod, but they were hardly optimal."

To which Liara responded, "Then I don't see the point, Miranda. Maybe I don't know what human traditions are ... But I really think you should let the dead rest.This isn't what I brought Shepard back for."

Liara at the end of her chat with Miranda really doesn't expect to see Shepard again.

And I prefer LotSB after the suicide mission as well.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

What I've always done is Suicide Mission -> LOTSB (Without the Cabin Scene) -> Arrival -> Cabin Scene from LOTSB -> ME3

EDIT: Top. 

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 26 juillet 2012 - 08:29 .

[Han Shot First]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

What I've always done is Suicide Mission -> LOTSB (Without the Cabin Scene) -> Arrival -> Cabin Scene from LOTSB -> ME3

Interesting, I never thought of it doing it that way.

I've always done Overlord somewhere in the middle of ME2, the Suicide Mission, LotSB with the cabin scene immediately after, and then Arrival.