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[TheMarshal]

Robhuzz wrote...

The problem I have with this is that a PROPER paragade/renagon (neither of the alignment bars is full) gets slapped in the face by losing the loyalty of 2 squadmembers in ME2 as well as miss out on some other high level charm/intimidate options. I sincerely hope BW fixes this problem to make a paragade (or even 50/50 characters) not miss out on stuff. Right now we're basicly forced to choose paragon/renegade right from the start and be punished if we stray away from this path too often.

I had that issue in my last pt.  I couldn't defuse the fight between Miranda and Jack, so I wound up siding with Jack.  Then I went in, respecced, picked the 100% bonus to paragon/renegade scores, and talked to Miranda.  I was able to talk her back into being loyal and got a much more satisfying resolution to that conflict (imo).

[Robhuzz]

TheMarshal wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

The problem I have with this is that a PROPER paragade/renagon (neither of the alignment bars is full) gets slapped in the face by losing the loyalty of 2 squadmembers in ME2 as well as miss out on some other high level charm/intimidate options. I sincerely hope BW fixes this problem to make a paragade (or even 50/50 characters) not miss out on stuff. Right now we're basicly forced to choose paragon/renegade right from the start and be punished if we stray away from this path too often.

I had that issue in my last pt.  I couldn't defuse the fight between Miranda and Jack, so I wound up siding with Jack.  Then I went in, respecced, picked the 100% bonus to paragon/renegade scores, and talked to Miranda.  I was able to talk her back into being loyal and got a much more satisfying resolution to that conflict (imo).

I suppose that works fine but for roleplaying purposes it's quite annoying. Usually when I'm on tuchanka I want to headbutt that krogan uvenk and use some renegade dialogue as well, but that'll cost me 30 paragon points in the end. And since I seem to be getting renegade points rather easily, even on my paragon playthroughs (what can I say, I don't seem to be a dedicated paragon after all) I usually end up with too little of the blasted points unless I carefully plan ahead to determine when and where to use a renegade option (One of the only 'meh' parts of ME2 imo)

[RolandX9]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I have a Liara romance related question: What type of Shepard is best for Liara? A paragon or a renegade

That's obviously a matter of opinion, but my opinion is Paragon all the way. The farther down the Renegade path Shepard goes, the more Liara will likely end up there herself after the end of 1. One of my favorite things about ME1 Liara is that, aside from her introduction as a damsel in distress, she's a kind, sweet, caring person...who isn't any weaker or less awesome for it. Kind of like Paragon Shep. In ME 2, that's...not her. I strongly suspect that her fate in 3 is going to depend greatly on what kind of person Shepard chooses to be.

And to be honest, I want my Paragon Liara back.

[Robhuzz]

@Robhuzz That is a problem of trying to be neutral. You don't get all the charm/intimidate dialogue.

It's actually a problem for anything short of being pure paragon/renegade but it's good to see I'm not the only one who's bothered by this. 

RolandX9 Wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I have a Liara romance related question: What type of Shepard is best for Liara? A paragon or a renegade

That's obviously a matter of opinion, but my opinion is Paragon all the way. The farther down the Renegade path Shepard goes, the more Liara will likely end up there herself after the end of 1. One of my favorite things about ME1 Liara is that, aside from her introduction as a damsel in distress, she's a kind, sweet, caring person...who isn't any weaker or less awesome for it. Kind of like Paragon Shep. In ME 2, that's...not her. I strongly suspect that her fate in 3 is going to depend greatly on what kind of person Shepard chooses to be.

And to be honest, I want my Paragon Liara back. 

That would be a nice twist. Liara's fate (since she has a great role in ME3 I imagine she can end up determining the outcome of ME3 in different ways) being decided by the way she's been treated and changes in the previous games. Lizardviking already noticed some sad and foreboding music sounds when Shepard leaves Liara at the SB base and has not been kind to her, possibly implying something bad MIGHT happen to Liara later on.

However let's give Liara some credit for her personality as well. Even though she appeared quite shy in ME1 she has an incredibly strong personality that's not that easily swayed by anyone, not even Shepard (imo) so I sure don't hope she goes back to the shy Liara of ME1 (at least not fully even though I also liked that Liara a great deal)

Modifié par Robhuzz, 22 juin 2011 - 06:55 .

[ladyvader]

RolandX9 wrote...And to be honest, I want my Paragon Liara back.

Not so sure that Liara is ever coming back.  She has changed from when Shepard first finds her on Therum.   Liara knows what the stakes are and will do what she can to help Shepard.  She'll do the right thing, but her hands may get dirty in the process. If that is what it takes to get the job done.  

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Most of my Sheps have a full blue bar with very tiny reds. However, I started tossing mercenaries out of the window    or not paying attention to my driving  recently and ended up gaining slightly more reds. Not much to upset the apple cart though. A 1/4 at the most.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 23 juin 2011 - 01:21 .

[RolandX9]

Robhuzz wrote...

However let's give Liara some credit for her personality as well. Even though she appeared quite shy in ME1 she has an incredibly strong personality that's not that easily swayed by anyone, not even Shepard (imo) so I sure don't hope she goes back to the shy Liara of ME1 (at least not fully even though I also liked that Liara a great deal)

Don't have a lot of time to respond, so I'll just note that kind, sweet and caring doesn't have to equal shy and uncertain. (Again, just look at Paragon Shep.)

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I have been gone a few days here but something I noticed in the twitter thread.

Link to tweet:

As for what it says.

"Got lines ready for session with one of our awesome actresses tomorrow. Love it when asari matriarchs trash-talk..."

Could this be our favorite Asari's "father"?

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

I have been gone a few days here but something I noticed in the twitter thread.

Link to tweet:

As for what it says.

"Got lines ready for session with one of our awesome actresses tomorrow. Love it when asari matriarchs trash-talk..."

Could this be our favorite Asari's "father"?

An asari matriarch talking trash. Can't think of anyone but Aethyta at this point... Unless there's more like her...

[kumquats]

RolandX9 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

However let's give Liara some credit for her personality as well. Even though she appeared quite shy in ME1 she has an incredibly strong personality that's not that easily swayed by anyone, not even Shepard (imo) so I sure don't hope she goes back to the shy Liara of ME1 (at least not fully even though I also liked that Liara a great deal)

Don't have a lot of time to respond, so I'll just note that kind, sweet and caring doesn't have to equal shy and uncertain. (Again, just look at Paragon Shep.)

She is the only Squadmate in ME1 my Renegade apologizes to, so +1 for strong personality. If you go Renegade on Kaidan, he will eventually agree with you, but Liara will stay true to her Paragon ways.
After LotSB, I think Liara is still a very sweet and caring person, she is just more experienced now.

@Lizardviking. Thanks for the info. I need Liara's father for ME3!

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I have been gone a few days here but something I noticed in the twitter thread.

Link to tweet:

As for what it says.

"Got lines ready for session with one of our awesome actresses tomorrow. Love it when asari matriarchs trash-talk..."

Could this be our favorite Asari's "father"?

An asari matriarch talking trash. Can't think of anyone but Aethyta at this point... Unless there's more like her...

And we will be going to Illium.  I can't think of anyone either, but then how many matriarchs has Shepard spoken to besides Liara's mother and unconfirmed father?  They make it very hard to not think Aethyta is Liara's father.  I hope that gets some conclusion in ME3    

[Lady Luck]

So guys what do you think of Casey's tweet?

Personally I like the look Liara has in ME3. In LotSB she looked so dark, it just wasn't her style.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Blue_2 wrote...

So guys what do you think of Casey's tweet?

Personally I like the look Liara has in ME3. In LotSB she looked so dark, it just wasn't her style.

I vastly prefer her LOTSB looks. She looks much more mature and sexy.

[HogarthHughes 3]

ladyvader wrote...

Quick question about Renagons/Pragedges. What is the general rule? One bar full the other more than 40%.

ME2 you can not do a "pure" paragon run. You always get renegade points some place, which bothered me at first. Now, I no longer care.

My favorite play-through could be called a "Renegon."  By the end of ME1 I have full renegade and 3 bars of paragon, and by the end of ME2 the same result (although I have actually have one or two more bars of renegade that don't show).  At least, I consider it renegon, it certainly isn't anywhere near full renegade.  He'll always save the sick batarian, kill Morinth, boot up Legion, while still making a majority of renegade decisions like destroying the Heretic base and letting Garrus kill Sedonis.  

I think that a more renegade Shepard and Liaras views conflicting (especially in the first game) makes for a more dynamic relationship.  Liara changes greatly between ME1 & ME2, I like to think that part of that was Shepards influence.  Meanwhile renegade Shepard could soften up a bit, becoming less jaded, and perhaps being a bit nicer to those under his command.  

[Trinity66]

Lizardviking wrote...

Blue_2 wrote...

So guys what do you think of Casey's tweet?

Personally I like the look Liara has in ME3. In LotSB she looked so dark, it just wasn't her style.

I vastly prefer her LOTSB looks. She looks much more mature and sexy.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

kumquats wrote..
She is the only Squadmate in ME1 my Renegade apologizes to, so +1 for strong personality. If you go Renegade on Kaidan, he will eventually agree with you, but Liara will stay true to her Paragon ways.
After LotSB, I think Liara is still a very sweet and caring person, she is just more experienced now.

@Lizardviking. Thanks for the info. I need Liara's father for ME3!

That is because renegade Shepard is actually challeging Kaidan's ideas regarding the council. While in Liara's case Shepard is just insulting her or being harsh.

AFAIK.

[kumquats]

I can only think of Aria. She is a matriach, right?

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

Blue_2 wrote...

So guys what do you think of Casey's tweet?

Personally I like the look Liara has in ME3. In LotSB she looked so dark, it just wasn't her style.

I vastly prefer her LOTSB looks. She looks much more mature and sexy.

Her eyes :wub:is what I liked the  most.  I'd prefer her LotSB look myself.  Lip color really doesn't matter, I just went the same eyes. 

EDIT:@Kumquats.   I'm not sure myself.  She could be, but I don't think we know her age.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 22 juin 2011 - 07:33 .

[kumquats]

Lizardviking wrote...

kumquats wrote..
She is the only Squadmate in ME1 my Renegade apologizes to, so +1 for strong personality. If you go Renegade on Kaidan, he will eventually agree with you, but Liara will stay true to her Paragon ways.
After LotSB, I think Liara is still a very sweet and caring person, she is just more experienced now.

@Lizardviking. Thanks for the info. I need Liara's father for ME3!

That is because renegade Shepard is actually challeging Kaidan's ideas regarding the council. While in Liara's case Shepard is just insulting her or being harsh.

AFAIK.

When is Renegade Shepard insulting her in the romance?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

kumquats wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

kumquats wrote..
She is the only Squadmate in ME1 my Renegade apologizes to, so +1 for strong personality. If you go Renegade on Kaidan, he will eventually agree with you, but Liara will stay true to her Paragon ways.
After LotSB, I think Liara is still a very sweet and caring person, she is just more experienced now.

@Lizardviking. Thanks for the info. I need Liara's father for ME3!

That is because renegade Shepard is actually challeging Kaidan's ideas regarding the council. While in Liara's case Shepard is just insulting her or being harsh.

AFAIK.

When is Renegade Shepard insulting her in the romance?

Maybe not insult but Shepard acts rather harsh at times if I remember correctly. Althrough I think this was before the romance was intiated. I think renegade Shepard was just pushy when it came to the Liara romance. Not once does Shepard challenge or try to convince Liara to change her mind regarding council or whatever. 

[Lady Luck]

I just don't like the dark lips and the eyes. I like when her lips are a little more pinkish. makes them more kissable.

[Robhuzz]

kumquats wrote...

I can only think of Aria. She is a matriach, right?

I don't pay too much attention to Aria but I saw some discussions about her lately. Most people seem to think she's in her mid - late matron stage. Around the age of 600 - 650. I'm pretty sure she's no matriarch so I think this age estimate might be pretty close to the truth.

Maybe not insult but Shepard acts rather harsh at times if I remember correctly. Althrough I think this was before the romance was intiated. I think renegade Shepard was just pushy when it came to the Liara romance. Not once does Shepard challenge or try to convince Liara to change her mind regarding council or whatever.  

You're referring to Shepard giving Liara a hard time because she admits to looking up Shepard's history and being interested in him, partially because of his visions of the protheans? I'd definitely call that 'being harsh on Liara'.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 22 juin 2011 - 07:57 .

[kumquats]

Lizardviking wrote...

Maybe not insult but Shepard acts rather harsh at times if I remember correctly. Althrough I think this was before the romance was intiated. I think renegade Shepard was just pushy when it came to the Liara romance. Not once does Shepard challenge or try to convince Liara to change her mind regarding council or whatever. 

That's a good point. Yes, Shepard is harsh in the second romance dialogue. But my Shepard has her reasons.
And of course there is the option to apologize.

And I think in the third romance dialogue, when Liara says they should wait with "Embracing Eternity", the Renegade option sounds like a small flirt to me and not pushy at all.

Maybe the manShep Renegade options sound to harsh? I don't know I didn't romance her with my manShep. I could check it out though hm....

[Chewin]

Blue_2 wrote...

I just don't like the dark lips and the eyes. I like when her lips are a little more pinkish. makes them more kissable.

I actually agree with you, Blue. I like how she looks in ME3, but it's stil really hard to resist her in LotSB

Modifié par Chewin3, 22 juin 2011 - 08:03 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

kumquats wrote...
That's a good point. Yes, Shepard is harsh in the second romance dialogue. But my Shepard has her reasons.
And of course there is the option to apologize.

And I think in the third romance dialogue, when Liara says they should wait with "Embracing Eternity", the Renegade option sounds like a small flirt to me and not pushy at all.

Maybe the manShep Renegade options sound to harsh? I don't know I didn't romance her with my manShep. I could check it out though hm....

Sorry. But I never tried to pick any of the renegade dialog with Liara in ME1. So I actually don¨t know how her romance goes if you choose the lower options. My point was simply that Sheprd never debates or tries to convince Liara to change her mind about something (like the council with Kaidan).