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[Arcataye]

Just some post on reddit about LotSB.

This DLC was perfect imo.

It showed Mass Effect stretching its legs in a sci-fi setting without "REAPERS REAPERS REAPERS" being shouted into our ears the whole time.

It was just about a character, her trials and tribulations, an amazing futuristic city, and one of the most original base of operations I've seen recently. I mean hiding the ship by barely escaping a never-ending thunder-storm? One of the writers should get a raise.

[PMC65]

lillitheris wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

After the war please no trials ... in fact, I would like all trial attorneys banned going forward. The reapers caused this death and destruction and everyone paid. Reapers dead ... everyone move along. Focus on re-building and not finding more people to blame.

Y’know, that’s a nice thought. Except for all the millions, perhaps billions, who died unnecessarily.

So there’s that.

That’s a lot to sweep under the rug, even if the concept is too vast to really understand. Ideally a trial would be more of a post-mortem, something to learn from for the future, but realistically one must account for the basic human/alien nature.

Mitigating circumstances are one thing, of course. The Citadel indoctrination and so on…unfortunately that wasn’t enough to quell Tevos’ sense of guilt.

Then after the surviving matriarchs are tried, move on to the people that Shepard had told .... Alliance, STG, Council as a whole, etc. etc. Once every person living that had knowledge of what was to come is tried, shackled and thrown away those billions are .... still dead. But we have closure. 

The thought of putting anyone, other than the reapers themselves, on trial reminds me of the young couple who were traveling to a family reunion and were in a wreck. Their two year old daughter was on the mother's lap and was killed. Now the courts felt that this couple were negligent by not having the baby strapped in. They also must not have felt that losing their daughter was punishment enough ... so they took them to trial for the child's death. I have a feeling that these kids would have gladly taken prison if it brought their kid back. I can only imagine the guilt they suffered without the court system participating. The surviving Matriarchs who may have known paid a price that no court could even come close to equaling in punishment. 

There will be no one without scars once the war is over. A war that was started by the reapers. If a lessons learned is what is sought (and should be) then that is done by the leaders coming together and setting new guidelines and SOP's in place between governments. I am sure that whatever prothean data that is on Mars and elsewhere is now being rushed to understand as well. Humans had part of the puzzle and never even figured it out? Really? Then why the rush to understand the beacon on Eden Prime? That made me really scratch my head.

Yes the matriarchs may have understood what they had but humans were negligent in the information in their hands. Who knows what piece the salarians and turians may have had.

Lessons learned are never successful when done on the front page or courthouses. Instead you have people working towards their own political positioning and financial gain ... nothing more. That is why a trial of a gazillion peeps will happen. Asari, turians, humans, salarians and even Shepard him/herself will be in courthouses explaining the what, why, who and how for years to come. I've often wondered how Shepard will come out ... Hero or scapegoat. History has had good men & women demonized initially when people need a person to blame.

That is why I would hope that the people would focus on rebuilding and healing as much as they could. There is also the fact that they would be the first and only cycle that not only survived but beat the reapers. It should be a time of joy and celebration as well. Let the guy on the street focus on a brighter future while heads of state go behind closed doors, where political grandstanding to the public is not allowed, and work towards improving communication, translating the remaining prothean data and sharing of information. Idealistic? Yes. But since it is a Universe that we each can headcanon ... that is mine. The guy on the street heals while the leaders in governments have sleepless nights. 

Others can headcanon big grand trials, Matriarchs being dragged through the streets and Shepard, with his/her arm thrown about Liara, being thrown rose petals as a parade on Earth is held! Everyone wins!

It's only make believe!

[Ravii]

Arcataye wrote...

I'll just post this here again because I like it.


by Hornhell

Awesome. I like it so much. She is like my canon Shepard in a few ways.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

I'm with PMC.

By the time the Reaper War ends, more than enough people will have already died.

Is it really all that prudent to put a few spinsters that are most likely dead on trial for something they already paid for with their now non-existent political dominance?

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 27 juillet 2012 - 06:52 .

[Batlass8]

PMC65 wrote...
in fact, I would like all trial attorneys banned going forward.

*Is a trial attorney*  Aww.... 

Seriously though, I actually find myself to be largely in agreement with you, PMC.  (I didn't like the example of prosecuting those parents, but that's my own nitpickiness coming through, lol).

Show trials that actively look for someone to blame and punish after a horrible war, genocide, oppressive regime or other travesty might be cathartic and seem worthwhile at first, but I honestly don't feel that they ever achieve what they want to.  Hold people accountable for their actions, make them admit to their shortcomings--provided that those shortcomings are individual and not societal--but don't make punishing the people who made bad calls a goal of your rebuilding.

Looking for someone to blame is one thing.  I've got Shepards (not all of them) that would be willing to be blamed for the Reaper War, since they found out about it in the first place, and they did call the shots that resulted in sacrificing some to save others.  That's fine.  It's when you want to punish those Shepards for doing what needed to be done that I (and they) have a problem. 

As PMC said, the Reapers were the bad guys here.  And they got theirs.  Hell, even if you chose Synthesis, and you executed every Reaper in show trials at the end of the war, it wouldn't help.  Because they were victims (in a way) as much as they were the bad guys. 

None of the people alive at the end of ME3 were the instigators.  They may have withheld knowledge, or made poor decisions, and in doing so, maybe more people died than were necessary.  Hold them accountable.  Take them out of office, require them to explain themselves.  Just be careful with how far you want to go.  How do you know the turians will agree with the hanar view of who's to blame?  That the asari will let their government be put on trial for making decisions in the interests of their own people?  Before the war, and even during the war, that's how everyone operated.  Cooperation, but only when it didn't interfere with self-preservation and promotion. 

The galaxy's just won an incredible victory by coming together.  I don't think it's worth risking the [tenuous and probably short-lived]  peace for vengeance.  When the Reapers are defeated, tell the stories, and have consequences.  No bloodshed though.  Enough of that, amiright?

Modifié par Batlass8, 27 juillet 2012 - 06:54 .

[lillitheris]

PMC65 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

After the war please no trials ... in fact, I would like all trial attorneys banned going forward. The reapers caused this death and destruction and everyone paid. Reapers dead ... everyone move along. Focus on re-building and not finding more people to blame.

Y’know, that’s a nice thought. Except for all the millions, perhaps billions, who died unnecessarily.

So there’s that.

That’s a lot to sweep under the rug, even if the concept is too vast to really understand. Ideally a trial would be more of a post-mortem, something to learn from for the future, but realistically one must account for the basic human/alien nature.

Mitigating circumstances are one thing, of course. The Citadel indoctrination and so on…unfortunately that wasn’t enough to quell Tevos’ sense of guilt.

Then after the surviving matriarchs are tried, move on to the people that Shepard had told .... Alliance, STG, Council as a whole, etc. etc. Once every person living that had knowledge of what was to come is tried, shackled and thrown away those billions are .... still dead. But we have closure.

Closure is different. Fault and blame are two different things, too, although especially the US cultural footprint tends to heavily go for the latter.

The thought of putting anyone, other than the reapers themselves, on trial reminds me of the young couple who were traveling to a family reunion and were in a wreck.

Also different.

Lessons learned are never successful when done on the front page or courthouses.

This is objectively false, since public forums are typically significant drivers, but…

Instead you have people working towards their own political positioning and financial gain ... nothing more.

…Entertaining the argument, do you think that political positioning and financial gain will not happen if there is no accounting? Everyone will just agree to never speak of the matter again, and certainly won’t take advantage of all the facts being muddled? No attack ads based on something someone may or may not have done, just because there wasn’t a commission to try to find out?

Tribunals are not a good way of sorting things out, but they’re the best we have.

I would present a counterargument that not having that catharsis, the wound will fester and cause pain much longer. Neither is the whole truth.

That is why I would hope that the people would focus on rebuilding and healing as much as they could.

A nice thought, and I’m sure they will. It’s not like it’s an either-or. Right?

Edit: No sarcasm, just to be clear. It is a nice thought, and something to strive to. I just don’t think it possible.

There is also the fact that they would be the first and only cycle that not only survived but beat the reapers. It should be a time of joy and celebration as well.

I don’t think there’s going to be much of that apart from the short-lived, visceral “I’m still alive”. The scale of destruction is something so unfathomable that it will take probably decades before the most overt signs are no longer there as constant reminders.

Batlass8 said…

Hold people accountable for their actions, make them admit to their
shortcomings--provided that those shortcomings are individual and not
societal--but don't make punishing the people who made bad calls a goal
of your rebuilding.

Yes. Fault, not blame. But how do you propose to do it? It won’t just magically happen.

…

And that said,



I’m finally getting close…Chapter 29 is up now, and Chapter 30 will be the one.

Modifié par lillitheris, 27 juillet 2012 - 07:19 .

[CrimsonN7]

PMC65 wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...





^^ AWWW YEAH^^ 

CrimsonN7 - That picture of Ali is mine. Yeppers! I took that. Me! Moi!

*remembers that day and does a happy dance*

doozer - Banshees with omni-tools ...

Thanks for sharing that PMC, also that gif lol pure terror in his eyes:lol:

@ Y3Y00 Long story short blame jib524 and her epic twisted sense of humour:P, real shame she doesn't drop by more, when I was lurking back in the day I loved her posts. If you type in Liara omni- tool into google search images you'll find ahem... that pic and understand the fetish:whistle:

[CrimsonN7]

Barquiel wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Councillor Tevos is too sexy to stand trial. And dat voice...

Veto! Veto I say!

I think it depends on which companions you have with you on the run to the beam on earth. I used Liara and EDI in my squad and Ashley was the one telling Joker it's time to go (I rarely used her).

Yes, Tevos is pretty darn sexy, but that does change the fact that withholding that information has to be one of the disgusting actions of the entire franchise. It deserves repurcussions.

There might be some playful spanking in the future

But seriously, I think the issue will more than likely be thrown under the rug. Everyone who knows about it is dead (TIM, Kai Leng), or has no interest in revealing the truth (Liara, Tevos).

Lol Barquiel has someone been reading Rae's latest Tevos inspired pieces hmm? I wouldn't like to see any further blame being cast after the war, now is the time to focus on rebuilding, all the races defied the odds of surviving a reaper invasion by uniting together, wouldn't want to see them resort to fighting amongst themselves again.

by tiikay @ DeviantArt

[Ravii]

CrimsonN7 wrote...
Lol Barquiel has someone been reading Rae's latest Tevos inspired pieces hmm?

*raises hands* I have...pretty amazing and detailed. It's worth reading if you like that sort of fic.

This if off-topic but I have to say it. The opening ceremony from the olympics is weird. I know it's historical....but....the acting is very impressive tough.

Modifié par Ravii, 27 juillet 2012 - 08:50 .

[Promises]

I like it too!

Arcataye wrote...

I'll just post this here again because I like it.


by Hornhell

Modifié par Promises, 27 juillet 2012 - 08:30 .

[AlexMBrennan]

I wouldn't like to see any further blame being cast after the war

Yes, well, the reality of the situation is that things need to change - it turns out that the asari are only human after all, and that are not well meaning enough to be solely put in charge of things.

This should be remembered (I got the impression that everyone but douche!Shepard was rather surprised by the asari keeping the beacon a secret) - you can't work together effectively if you have to maintain this charade.

[JDee3]

@CrimsonN7's picture of Liara just made me realize if you choose the destroy ending there's no more glyph :[ and the Shadow Broker network would have to be fixed probably smh. Control ending is very tempting for this one


Commission: Mass Effect 3 - Liara + Space Hamster by ~PanicatsPhantasie

Modifié par JDee3, 27 juillet 2012 - 09:36 .

[Barquiel]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

There might be some playful spanking in the future

But seriously, I think the issue will more than likely be thrown under the rug. Everyone who knows about it is dead (TIM, Kai Leng), or has no interest in revealing the truth (Liara, Tevos).

Lol Barquiel has someone been reading Rae's latest Tevos inspired pieces hmm? I wouldn't like to see any further blame being cast after the war, now is the time to focus on rebuilding, all the races defied the odds of surviving a reaper invasion by uniting together, wouldn't want to see them resort to fighting amongst themselves again.

Yes, I have to admit that...I cheated on FemShep/Liara with Aria/Tevos

[JDee3]

Juat found this.. for all you synthesis people who love those banshees..

[Ravii]

Because in synthesis they all have the same understanding and good looks doesnt matter anymore....so banshees can win these contests. Disgusting! That's no real life.

Be purged...you dirty mind

Modifié par Ravii, 27 juillet 2012 - 10:08 .

[Ravii]

double post......

Modifié par Ravii, 27 juillet 2012 - 10:03 .

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

 Why is it that I'm seeing more Banshees than Liara in this thread now? 

[shepard1038]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

 Why is it that I'm seeing more Banshees than Liara in this thread now? 

Because they are some people here that love banshees.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

 In order to help purge the Banshees from this thread, have a Liara sexy walk.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 27 juillet 2012 - 10:30 .

[Akernis]

PMC65 wrote...

After the war please no trials ... in fact, I would like all trial attorneys banned going forward. The reapers caused this death and destruction and everyone paid. Reapers dead ... everyone move along. Focus on re-building and not finding more people to blame.

I agree with PMC.
.... Wait a minutte, I agree with PMC? 

*goes over to cuddle with Liara and little blue child*

"Happy to see you Shepard"

[lillitheris]

JDee3 wrote...

@CrimsonN7's picture of Liara just made me realize if you choose the destroy ending there's no more glyph :[ and the Shadow Broker network would have to be fixed probably smh.

It doesn’t destroy all electronic equipment, don’t worry. Not even VIs.

Modifié par lillitheris, 27 juillet 2012 - 10:30 .

[Goku16]

Ravii wrote...

Because in synthesis they all have the same understanding and good looks doesnt matter anymore....so banshees can win these contests. Disgusting! That's no real life.

Be purged...you dirty mind

in synthetic ending, they won't even need night lights cause their eyes glow green and maybe banshees and other mutated reapers will start looking for a job. ohhh god i can't even imagine a banshee wearing a dress with make up or a husk wearing skinny jeans with jordans and a t-shirt etc. 

[PMC65]

lillitheris - Humans will want trials because that is who we are. I've stated why I would not want anyone except the reapers put up and blamed ... you may want others to pay or be held as part responsible as well. On that we would disagree but to each his own.

What I don't see is humans being handed over asari, turians, salarians, etc to try in their courts. Just as the Alliance would not hand over Shepard to the batarians, tthe asari handing over their Matriarchs is beyond doubtful. Politicians would scream how wrong it is but it would be highly hypocrital of the Alliance to cry foul.

The other rub for those that would want people tried would be if other species do not even try their own people. If they see the reason behind their decsions as valid, but that would be their call. The human government may or may not like it but there would be nothing they could do outside of treating that group as Cuba or declaring war. Not really wise but sometimes we do dumb things.

Of course Terra Firma would probably see an increase in enrollment. At least they would win!

[Akernis]

If the varying races and people haven't learnt to stand together after the Reaper War something is really wrong.

I might just be an optimist but I would hope that people could get over things like that now that they have together managed to survive the greatest and most terrible genocide the galaxy has ever known.

Modifié par Akernis, 27 juillet 2012 - 11:04 .

[PMC65]

The galaxy I think will come together initially but then there will be a need to find blame outside of the reapers, old grudges will resurface, the media and politicians will climb out of the rubble and so on, men of greed will start their missions of land grabbing, etc.

One thing that the little starbrat was probably right about ... there would be war.

I still worry that EW Shepard curing the genophage will bite her children's children in the butt!