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[Akernis]

PMC65 wrote...
I still worry that EW Shepard curing the genophage will bite her children's children in the butt!

If EW's children are asari that might be some time in coming

Wait, wasn't EW the one who did not want children? you are really confusing me today

[Mavqt]

I always thought that the Krogans biggest problem would be themselves, well until Wrex is six foot under.

Modifié par mavqt, 27 juillet 2012 - 11:37 .

[lillitheris]

PMC65 wrote...

lillitheris - Humans will want trials because that is who we are. I've stated why I would not want anyone except the reapers put up and blamed ... you may want others to pay or be held as part responsible as well. On that we would disagree but to each his own.

Want has little to do with it, that’s a little unfair.

I’d like nothing more than everyone moving on and those who failed at whatever recognizing and acknowledging it themselves, all neatly improving the galactic governance. I merely think that the situation is so complex and far-reaching that it’s just not feasible.

As I tried to point out, avoiding accountability has all the same issues as you ascribe the trials. Everything will be politicized anyway. People will try to profit from it anyway. The failures will try to cover their asses, and hide problems anyway. All you’re doing is leaving the failings uncovered.

So, for me, the war is not an end. Everything’s not going to be okay. It’s a beginning, a complex one. That’s what I want to explore, sordid as it may be at times. There’s plenty of ending fic with instant gratification, but that’s not particularly compelling to me. I find the idea of a reunion against a complex and realistic—to me—backdrop far more interesting.

What I don't see is humans being handed over asari, turians, salarians, etc to try in their courts …

I’m not certain why anyone would be ‘handed over’ to humans. The Council exists for a reason.

You clearly have a mental image of this trial progress, and admittedly it doesn’t sound particularly pleasant. Mine’s different (and I’m not really even addressing this in my story!) It’d be naïve to assume that justice be done and fairness reign in any kind of an investigation or tribunal, of course, but no more so than hoping that things will just sort themselves out.

Of course Terra Firma would probably see an increase in enrollment. At least they would win!

Unless declared a terrorist organization if their ties to Cerberus were discovered.

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@Akernis: I’d be really worried if people suddenly stopped being people after the war.

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Modifié par lillitheris, 27 juillet 2012 - 11:49 .

[Akernis]

lillitheris wrote...
@Akernis: I’d be really worried if people suddenly stopped being people after the war.

I was exaggerating, but I would hope that they at least learned something from the ordeal. I would hate for Shepard and Liara to haveing just earned their happy ending with things going to hell around them. Okay exaggeration again but I think you know what I mean.

One of the reason I like Theo's stories so much is that they portray an actually pleasent and happy aftermatch of the war. Is it realistic? perhaps not entirely, or at all to some people, but I prefer it that way

Modifié par Akernis, 27 juillet 2012 - 11:46 .

[PMC65]

Akernis wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
I still worry that EW Shepard curing the genophage will bite her children's children in the butt!

If EW's children are asari that might be some time in coming

Wait, wasn't EW the one who did not want children? you are really confusing me today

EW Shepard has no desire to have children with Liara.

I have said that EW would like a child of her own. A child that would have features of her parents ... maybe even laugh like her mother, pout like her father. She would like to feel that child move in her stomach. She would want to have (carry, birth & raise) a child of her own. But no blue babies, which is fine since *Liara will not desire children until a few centuries later. The blue baby comments made in-game are these two joking with each other and I find it cute,

*This applies only to my headcanon and others may have Liara wanting children with Shepard.

[Akernis]

^ okay I understand. I don't agree but respect your dispotision (even if it does nto alway appear that way). Not that could ever really understand your problem since my Shepard is male and thus does not have the same "problem" if you will.  

frudi wrote...
She personally and consciously sacrificed two entire species to delay and stop the Reapers.

I might just be sleepy right now but which two species are you refering to here?

Modifié par Akernis, 27 juillet 2012 - 11:53 .

[Mavqt]

Akernis wrote...

frudi wrote...
She personally and consciously sacrificed two entire species to delay and stop the Reapers.

I might just be sleepy right now but which two species are you refering to here?

Batarians and the Geth. Would be my guess. Well the Barak system.

[Mavqt]

Ding ding ding, one point to me!

Well, they screwed themselves over. Keeping a Reaper? That's asking for trouble.

Modifié par mavqt, 27 juillet 2012 - 11:54 .

[lillitheris]

Akernis wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
@Akernis: I’d be really worried if people suddenly stopped being people after the war.

I was exaggerating, but I would hope that they at least learned something from the ordeal. I would hate for Shepard and Liara to haveing just earned their happy ending with things going to hell around them. Okay exaggeration again but I think you know what I mean.

Sure. I just don’t find that particularly compelling.

One of the reason I like Theo's stories so much is that they portray an actually pleasent and happy aftermatch of the war. Is it realistic? perhaps not entirely, or at all to some people, but I prefer it that way

Lots of people do! Most, maybe. Nothing wrong with that.

Even I like them, but only as emotional snacks, if you will. To sate the hunger, I need…more. So that’s where I’m going—but not forgetting about the fluff. I’m pretty damn far from grimdark…I find that equally uninteresting.

[Akernis]

frudi wrote...

Akernis: Geth and Batarians.

And I don't mean just the one Batarian system, by destroying the Alpha relay she condemned their whole civilisation.

The batarians would have died regardless (Shepard even tells Balek so), if he/she had not destroyed the relay it would just have happened a lot sooner, it is not as if the Reapers would go:
"now that we have a straight way to Earth will will politely ignore the small harvest-ready empire liying on the way" 
if the Alpha relay was intact.

And the Geth, well that depens on ending choice (and in my case at least: headcanon), but yeah.

Modifié par Akernis, 28 juillet 2012 - 12:04 .

[lillitheris]

frudi wrote...

And I don't mean just the one Batarian system, by destroying the Alpha relay she condemned their whole civilisation.

I don’t see how that follows. Shepard did destroy a single batarian colony in the Bahak system (pop. 300,000), but in doing so delayed the advance of the Reapers into batarian space (which is definitely not limited to Bahak, or even the Alpha nebula). It didn’t help in the end, apparently, but it’s quite the stretch to say that it was Shepard’s fault, unless I’m missing some very crucial plot point.

[Akernis]

lillitheris wrote...

frudi wrote...

And I don't mean just the one Batarian system, by destroying the Alpha relay she condemned their whole civilisation.

I don’t see how that follows. Shepard did destroy a single batarian colony in the Bahak system (pop. 300,000), but in doing so delayed the advance of the Reapers into batarian space (which is definitely not limited to Bahak, or even the Alpha nebula). It didn’t help in the end, apparently, but it’s quite the stretch to say that it was Shepard’s fault, unless I’m missing some very crucial plot point.

That was what I was going at.

lillitheris wrote...
Sure. I just don’t find that particularly compelling.

I am not sure what you mean here, you don't like the idea that people could chance for the better?

lillitheris wrote...
Even I like them, but only as emotional snacks, if you will. To sate the hunger, I need…more. So that’s where I’m going—but not forgetting about the fluff. I’m pretty damn far from grimdark…I find that equally uninteresting.

I have other hobbies where I am very grimdark (playing and reading/writting about Dark Eldar in Warhammer 40k being the most obvious one) but in ME I am stricly on the happy and optimistic side of things, especially concerning Shepard and Liara.
Nothing inherently wrong with either.

[Akernis]

frudi wrote...

lillitheris: with the Alpha relay destroyed, the Reapers came into the galaxy through Batarian space, thus the Batarians faced their full force alone.

The Reaper would always come through the batarian space, the Alpha relay would just have given them a means of quickly reaching the rest of the galaxy after killing the batarians.

With the exception of a few (relatively speaking) dead batarians the only thing that blowing up the Alpha relay did was delay the Reaper from starting destroying the entire galaxy alongside the betarians immediately.

However since all the races of the galaxy did a singular job of wasting the six months given by Shepard's actions the only thing that act actually achieved that mattered in the grand scheme of things was giving Liara time to find the Crucible plans as far as I see it.

frudi wrote...

Remember Ashley's analogy about human-alien relations in ME1, the one about a dog and a bear? Just replace the dog with the Batarians and the bear with the Reapers.

I don't see it, how would the rest of the galaxy have been able to help if the Alpha relay remained intact? the Reaper was already at the batarians doorstep if anything the fact that the Reapers could now reach anywhere in the galaxy immediatly would only make the various races even more desperately defending themselves.

Modifié par Akernis, 28 juillet 2012 - 12:16 .

[lillitheris]

frudi wrote...

lillitheris: with the Alpha relay destroyed, the Reapers came into the galaxy through Batarian space, thus the Batarians faced their full force alone.

I still don’t see how your logic works here. The batarians

1. Are not limited by the Alpha relay, they have others; and
2. Would have been destroyed earlier had Shepard not blown up the relay.

There is nothing in Shepard’s actions, that I can see, that made the situation worse for the batarians. If you’re saying that if the relay had been intact, the Reapers would have come through it and destroyed Bahak, but then attacked exclusively non-batarian systems, I guess you can make that argument…but I don’t find it particularly convincing. Plus the batarians would have died in the end anyway.

So, all in all, to me it seems clear that destroying the relay was the best thing to help the batarians.

[Mavqt]

lillitheris wrote...

frudi wrote...

lillitheris: with the Alpha relay destroyed, the Reapers came into the galaxy through Batarian space, thus the Batarians faced their full force alone.

I still don’t see how your logic works here. The batarians

1. Are not limited by the Alpha relay, they have others; and
2. Would have been destroyed earlier had Shepard not blown up the relay.

There is nothing in Shepard’s actions, that I can see, that made the situation worse for the batarians. If you’re saying that if the relay had been intact, the Reapers would have come through it and destroyed Bahak, but then attacked exclusively non-batarian systems, I guess you can make that argument…but I don’t find it particularly convincing. Plus the batarians would have died in the end anyway.

So, all in all, to me it seems clear that destroying the relay was the best thing to help the batarians.

This.

[CrimsonN7]

JDee3 wrote...

Juat found this.. for all you synthesis people who love those banshees..

This is an outrage! Where's Udina?

http://t3.gstatic.co...ZrT_RecLEXd6G6A

I knew I wasn't alone in reading Rae's recent Tevos/Aria stories, damn good stuff^_^

On an uncompletely related topic woohoo the Olympics has begun, some much sport to watch, heaven:D I really liked the opening ceremony myself, the music, the set pieces, the acting, the fireworks, Danny did a great job. And come on Team Ireland, bring home the gold Katie:wizard:

[shepard1038]

At least while the reapers harvested the batarian homeworld, the batarian colonies could be evacuated.

[PMC65]

Akernis - Poor guys ... They miss out on the bonding that starts within the womb. I've watched my sister-in-laws during that time and it is amazing. There are some downsides (morning sickness, discomfort, labor) but feeling the baby move inside and knowing that your body is not only growing but protecting a little being that is a part of you? That's a miracle.

lillitheris - You are cracking me up. My reasons for not wanting trials has been duly noted. As such, I really have nothing to add. If you would like to post what you would deem necessary for the future of the Mass Effect galaxy after the reaper wars ... please do. We may not agree with one another but it does not invalidate each other ... just offers different viewpoints. Pretty much what would be seen after the reaper wars. People disagreeing on what would be needed for the future of each race.

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Modifié par PMC65, 28 juillet 2012 - 12:23 .

[lillitheris]

Akernis wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
Sure. I just don’t find that particularly compelling.

I am not sure what you mean here, you don't like the idea that people could chance for the better?

Oh, I like the idea. I just don’t think it’s going to happen to a huge degree. Cf. WWI, “The War to End All Wars”. For that reason, I do not find such a story inherently interesting (=compelling).

lillitheris wrote...
Even I like them, but only as emotional snacks, if you will. To sate the hunger, I need…more. So that’s where I’m going—but not forgetting about the fluff. I’m pretty damn far from grimdark…I find that equally uninteresting.

I have other hobbies where I am very grimdark (playing and reading/writting about Dark Eldar in Warhammer 40k being the most obvious one) but in ME I am stricly on the happy and optimistic side of things, especially concerning Shepard and Liara.
Nothing inherently wrong with either.

I’ll exaggerate a little in turn and say that there is. Nothing’s ever rainbows, and nothing’s ever grimdark

Like I said, I appreciate both of those, too, when well done—but even then, I don’t find them completely satisfying.