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[Han Shot First]

I've never given much thought one way or the other whether my Shep and Liara would have children, as I never viewed it as a necessary for them having a happy ending. As such I've never been a member of the blue baby brigade, and am not interested in blue baby fan art.

But if I had to come up with a post script for my Shep I guess I'd see him and Liara as eventually having two Asari daughters years after the end of Mass Effect 3. One of them becomes an astrophycisist and the other follows in the Spacer Shep tradition of career military service, and retires after a long (even by Asari strandards) career in the Asari Navy.

Speaking of which, what does your head canon have Shepard and Liara doing post EC? Assuming of course that you picked Destroy, and Shepard survives. But if your ending involves a dead or Reaper Shep, post your head canon on what Liara does after Shepard's death.

I see them as eventually going through with the bonding ceremony, though not immediately. I think Shepard most likely has a long road to recovery, and I don't see the bonding ceremony as taking place until he is once again mobile.

Liara utilizes her position as Shadowbroker to aid in the rebuilding of the galaxy and in eliminating threats that might seek to take advantage of the chaos. After the rebuilding process is well under way and life in the galaxy returns to some semblance of normalcy, Liara turns the reigns over to Feron and returns to a quiet life as a scientist and academic. Shepard retires from the military and takes a job teaching at a military academy. They both refuse all offers of interviews and book and movie details, and try as best as they can to stay out of the public eye. As their children become older they also become adept at telling callers "I'm sorry, but my parents are away on business and aren't available right now."

After Shep's eventual death from old age, I think Liara probably remarries once or twice throughout her extremely long lifespan.

I also don't think they spawn a long line of descendents that are heroes, as I'm not a big fan of hero dynasties unless a work of fiction has a reason for it. (Star Wars and force abilities being hereditary, for example)
I see their descendents as being more or less normal people.

[PMC65]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd never even considered the possibility of human children, honestly. My own Shepard has no real desire to be pregnant (nor do I), and... well, there's nothing wrong with adoption, to be sure, so I suppose it could happen, but I think it's still nice in a way to have one's own children (something that I'll never do in real life for various reasons, so maybe it's a somewhat wistful fantasy).

Yeah, I don't want kids either but my canon Shepard does. Of course, there are a lot of things we do not share or even agree on. I can honestly say that EW is not a self-insert character for me. But I do admire her.

shepard1038 - I believe that 150 years is an exception not the rule. Looking at Hackett and Anderson it also appears that the ageing process is still as it is today, so thinking what these 150 years old look like is just ...

I see humans looking like this for some odd reason ...


Mrs. Ida Lowry from "Brazil"

EDIT: Han ... Other than how Shepard dies in her 70's I've really set nothing in stone. But like you ... I see Liara loving others after Shepard dies. That is the way that EW would have wanted it.

Modifié par PMC65, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:31 .

[AlexMBrennan]

(it isn't bad for you in the future so why the hell wouldn't you smoke?).

For the record, that's a logical fallacy known as privileging the hypothesis - why should people, en masse, take up smoking *in particular*?

And yeah, I don't like that picture.The tobacco industry has enough publicity without you contributing to it. Creating positive associations (by magic smoking magically safe, forgetting that the reason people smoke is that they're addicted to the nicotine) is unnecessary and unwanted.

[Mavqt]

I always headcanoned that Sheps inplants prolonged (right word?) the cellular regeneration. In turn slowing the aging process. Wishful thinking, I know.

[PMC65]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

(it isn't bad for you in the future so why the hell wouldn't you smoke?).

For the record, that's a logical fallacy known as privileging the hypothesis - why should people, en masse, take up smoking *in particular*?

And yeah, I don't like that picture.The tobacco industry has enough publicity without you contributing to it. Creating positive associations (by magic smoking magically safe, forgetting that the reason people smoke is that they're addicted to the nicotine) is unnecessary and unwanted.

Pretty serious today? You must have hated all the cigs burning on the Normandy in ME3 then. I guess you could just say they were pot. My friends who foam at the mouth over tobacco are pushing to legalize marijuana which I find weird but ... such is life.

[Mavqt]

PMC65 wrote...

Pretty serious today? You must have hated all the cigs burning on the Normandy in ME3 then. I guess you could just say they were pot. My friends who foam at the mouth over tobacco are pushing to legalize marijuana which I find weird but ... such is life.

Same with my friends, I just tell them Holland is that way. *points*

[Han Shot First]

frudi wrote...

I believe that Liara and female Shepard actually have the exact same body model, at least the nude versions. That might make Liara appear taller if your femShep has short/flat hair. I must admit though that I never paid attention to whether femShep is herself taller than the other female models in the game.

I think the height difference is due to Liara's fringe.

I'm just speculating however, as I have a male Shep and haven't messed around with the character models. I did notice that Liara appears to be taller than Ashley though.

[Nerevar-as]

Han Shot First wrote...

I also don't think they spawn a long line of descendents that are heroes, as I'm not a big fan of hero dynasties unless a work of fiction has a reason for it. (Star Wars and force abilities being hereditary, for example)
I see their descendents as being more or less normal people.

Well, they´ll be asari so natural biotics. And if Liara felt social pressure for being born from a matriarch, then Shepard and Liara´s daughters are going to have it really bad.

[Pineappletree]

PMC65 wrote...

[...]
And can someone explain what all that clicking, sawing and screetching sounds are?

Nothing to worry about, all just patented standard PETA procedures. With our mad scientists DevilBeast and Hollownger on vacation one just has to do all the dirty work by oneself nowadays if all those banshee dreams are to become true...

Han Shot First wrote...
People speculate that Liara may be about 6'0 tall (182 cm) because she is taller than all of the female humans. Of course it is hard to say exactly what her height is as I don't believe we are told what any character's height is. But either way, Liara appears to be positively statuesque in the Mass Effect universe.

Since I had it open anyway, a quick measurement of the game's models in 3dsMAX resulted in heights of almost exactly 180cm (my phone tells me that's 5'9) for both Liara and Ash and 183cm (6'0) for MShep.
Because real world units and unit conversions in virtual 3D space are often a dodgy matter and BW used the same underlying 'skeleton' for all human(like) female characters (which means the actual models can't be too different from one another - and they aren't) that's all to be taken with a big grain of salt of course.

frudi wrote...

Well, Liselle also had red blood so...
*shrugs* I've said it before, lore consistency isn't exactly one of ME's strong points. It's quite possible, probable even, that different writers had different ideas about asari reproduction and life stages.
What else can a fan do than pick & choose what variations they choose as basis for their headcanon [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie].

Pretty much this. It's similar with the question if asari children inherit traits from their non-asari 'fathers' or not.I think so far every game told us something different about that ...

frudi wrote...
I believe that Liara and female Shepard actually have the exact same body model, at least the nude versions.
That might make Liara appear taller if your femShep has short/flat hair. I must admit though that I never paid attention to whether femShep is herself taller than the other female models in the game.

Hah, and kinda :bandit:ed here ... FShep, Ash and other naked human females do indeed share the exact same base model. Liara does actually not, as far as I remember, though the differences are only very small (and not talking about the underwear ).

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:03 .

[Han Shot First]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I also don't think they spawn a long line of descendents that are heroes, as I'm not a big fan of hero dynasties unless a work of fiction has a reason for it. (Star Wars and force abilities being hereditary, for example)
I see their descendents as being more or less normal people.

Well, they´ll be asari so natural biotics. And if Liara felt social pressure for being born from a matriarch, then Shepard and Liara´s daughters are going to have it really bad.

All Asari are natural biotics though. That doesn't really make them unique. Also while any children might have societal pressue because of their heritage, that doesn't necessarily mean they have to be busy saving the galaxy.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

PMC65 wrote...

As a former smoker ... oh, yeah! No more ill effects ... cheap again ... right there again! Puff! Puff!

In my headcanon Liara stands 6' 2" (188cm) while FemShep stands 5' 8" (172.5cm).

The price is even worse than the health risks these days, I haven't smoked regular for about 5 years (still the occasional social smoker) but the price of cigarettes has gone up a ridiculous amount in that time. 

AlexMBrennan wrote...

For the record, that's a logical fallacy known as privileging the hypothesis - why should people, en masse, take up smoking *in particular*? 

And yeah, I don't like that picture.The tobacco industry has enough publicity without you contributing to it. Creating positive associations (by magic smoking magically safe, forgetting that the reason people smoke is that they're addicted to the nicotine) is unnecessary and unwanted.

 

I don't actually think more people would smoke if the health risks went away, taking the taboo away from smoking might actually make it less popular. But there would be some people who enjoy smoking that would jump at the chance to smoke without the health risks, I suppose those electric cigarettes are picking up on that idea (though I've not tried them so I dunno if they are a good replacement or not).
Caffeine is addictive but because it doesn't have any major health risks no-one cares about drinking a crap load of coffee. To me it just seems logical that smoking would go the same way if the health risks were no longer a problem.
I don't really get all the hate on smoking, by now people know its unhealthy (can't really forget with a picture of a diseased lung on the cigarette packet) so no-one is smoking without knowing there's a chance it'll kill them. Plus smokers have to go outside now so they aren't hurting anyone else with second hand smoke.

frudi wrote...

I noticed that cigarette too, then went and checked and it's there throughout the game; I doubt it was meant to imply Liara might be a smoker (of course you're still free to headcanon that she is, don't let my anti-smoking bias tell you otherwise ).

 

Yeah I realised after it was there for the rest of the game, but I noticed it first in front of Liara.

Modifié par Sarcastic Tasha, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:05 .

[Han Shot First]

I would think Thessia would have its own natural stimulants, to the point where Liara may not even need to necessarily experiment with smoking of coffee. The Asari would presumably have drinks or foods or plants that could be smoked that peformed the same function.

Of course there is nothing wrong with having head canon where Liara smokes cigarettes and drinks coffee.

In my head canon Liara doesn't smoke, and has tried coffee but doesn't care for it.

Liara: "How do you drink this stuff, Shepard? It is so bitter. Do humans actually enjoy this?"

Shepard: "Some do...but it is a bit of an aquired taste."

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:11 .

[DOsquareZER]

eh humans and their weird foods and habits...although - she does have a coffee brewer/pot in her room - but being this is the fictional future, that could be something else entirely. Or she could just have it in there for shepard's sake - knowing her room is the first place she visits when she patrols the ship and how much my femshep enjoys her coffee. Hmm some head canon might be sneaking in here...

[PMC65]

frudi wrote...

To be fair, the original statement ("it isn't bad for you in the future so why the hell wouldn't you smoke?") really was pretty ridiculous and a logical fallacy.
Not a fan of the rest of Alex's the anti-tobacco rant though, even if my own attitude towards smoking is very negative (pretty sure some smokers would describe me as 'foaming at the mouth over tobacco' ). Oh, and I also support legalization of marijuana (and no, I don't smoke it). Yeah, such is life

So you are one of those peeps? *shakes head*

Tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, marijuana, no exercise, poor diet, no dental check-ups, doctor's visits, roller-skating, running with scissors ... Life is just out to get you. Pick your poison! 

While the whole "cancer is cured" in Mass Effect is harder to believe then Miranda's high heels in battle ... This is fiction. 

[lillitheris]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

[fixed this quote]let’s say you want children, but you have a genetic condition that will cause them to die in their teens or early twenties. The time you have with them will be wonderful…but would you opt for that, rather than adopt a child?

Not a huge fan of proof by analogy, because it requires the analogy to be accurate - whilst humans have shorter lifespan, they can still live "full" (grow up, have a family, retire - that sort of thing) lives, which those suffering from a condition cannot. This analogy introduces an emotional bias, which I think is unfortunate.

I wasn’t trying for proof, I specifically wanted something in the same emotional sphere!

This is definitely not meant snidely, since I know that’s not what you mean, but your statement reads like a person with such a genetic condition couldn’t have a full life—I don’t think that’s really accurate. They can, and do…but it’s shorter, and it misses out on some things. In that, there’s some equivalence. That is to say, as a slight exaggeration an asari probably doesn’t think a human lives a “full life”.

[DOsquareZER]

PMC65 wrote...
Tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, marijuana, no exercise, poor diet, no dental check-ups, doctor's visits, roller-skating, running with scissors ... Life is just out to get you. Pick your poison! 

While the whole "cancer is cured" in Mass Effect is harder to believe then Miranda's high heels in battle ... This is fiction. 

rofl this...so much.
although if my habits start directly influencing lives of others in a negative manner, i may re-evaluate my dependancy on the habit.

[lillitheris]

PMC65 wrote...

While the whole "cancer is cured" in Mass Effect is harder to believe then Miranda's high heels in battle ... This is fiction. 

Cancer is actually a really simple thing to cure if you have nanotech. Identify the corrupt cell signatures and send in the tiny robots (or, alternatively, engineered viruses/bacteria/similar that seek out the signatures and deploy countermeasures, or…). Leastwise my impression is that in ME it’s not cured as in it doesn’t occur—it’s cured as in that it can be cured when it does.

[shepard1038]

@PMC65
So you think cancer can't be cured?

[PMC65]

doozer12 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
Tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, marijuana, no exercise, poor diet, no dental check-ups, doctor's visits, roller-skating, running with scissors ... Life is just out to get you. Pick your poison! 

While the whole "cancer is cured" in Mass Effect is harder to believe then Miranda's high heels in battle ... This is fiction. 

rofl this...so much.
although if my habits start directly influencing lives of others in a negative manner, i may re-evaluate my dependancy on the habit.

I still refuse to stop breathing ... I don't care how many people I'm impacting in a negative way!


But back to Liara ...


holdtheline.com

EDIT: shepard1038 - That and AIDS ... But I would welcome being proven wrong. In fact, let that be a challenge to the researchers ... Prove me wrong! I dare you! I double-dog dare you!

Modifié par PMC65, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:31 .

[shepard1038]

Give me Mordin and i would have a cure in a few months:D. But seriously researchers are years away in finding a cure. Medical research is not very advanced, but it is only a matter of time, before there is a cure. And you do know that Mass Effect is set 200 years in the future, right?

Modifié par shepard1038, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:45 .

[PMC65]

shepard1038 wrote...

Give me Mordin and i would have a cure in a few years. But seriously researchers are years away in finding a cure. Medical research is not very advanced, but it is only a matter of time, before there is a cure. And you do know that Mass Effect is set 200 years in the future, right?

Yes, I do. But look at where people believed we would be in the year 2000 ... cars that fly, homes on Mars, cancer cured, etc. The future is magic and full of possibilities but how often does it live up to what people think it will be?

ADD: Mass Effect is make-believe so I will gladly just go with what Casey and his teams puts in that world.

Modifié par PMC65, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:46 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

PMC65 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
The fact that Liara will potentially outlive both if Shepard has a baby is sad but Liara's child would outlive Shepard by centuries. There is no win-win but as long as love is shared in those precious moments, isn't that what counts?

I find a parent outliving a child (I know it is not Liara's child per say, but I assume EW and Liara will stick together) a far more depressing prospect than the child outliving the parent.

True.

That would be one of the many drawbacks of a creature that lives a thousand years joining with a creature that averages a century. Outliving not only her lover but those that this human would bring into her life ... from family, friends and children. 

Which is why I would never consider any human children in Liara and Shepard's relationship.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 28 juillet 2012 - 08:52 .