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[Mavqt]

I thought the matriachs sent Atheyta to keep a eye on Liara? I'm guessing she was a 'proper' matriach before that, due to her rant to Shep on Illium.

It's hard for me to explain at the moment. :C

Modifié par mavqt, 30 juillet 2012 - 05:16 .

[Batlass8]

@mavqt: No worries! If I had an explanation, I probably wouldn't have asked the question, lol.

For some reason, I've always interpreted Aethyta's being sent to keep an eye on Liara as indicative that they didn't really see her as one of them. She's more an agent than an actual matriarch. Although, I suppose it makes sense for them to send one of their own to watch Liara, given that she apparently makes them nervous....

Modifié par Batlass8, 30 juillet 2012 - 05:16 .

[Han Shot First]

Batlass8 wrote...

@Han: Just out of curiosity, Han, would you say Matriarch Aethyta fills a traditional matriarchal role? Given what she says to Shepard on Illium about handing out wisdom and counsel in her job as a bartender, it's clear that she thinks that she's being a proper (or almost-proper) matriarch, but I can't help thinking that the other matriarchs might disagree.

Her matriarch title might come from whatever role she had prior to going to Illium. IIRC she complains that  no one on Thessia wanted to listen to her advice about increasing defense spending or building new mass relays, so she gave it up and became a bartender.

With regards to the justicars, I'd imagine that a matron or maiden who becomes a justicar would be addressed as "Justicar X" the way Samara is. Not because of the isolation from society, but because justicars are meant to give up their identities when they choose to follow the Code. I could be wrong.

(Not trying to poke holes in your theory, just genuinely curious, because it is an interesting take).

I think it is probably a little bit of both. The Justicars, as you mentioned, voluntarily give up their past identities. They also tend to be solitary, which would prevent them from filling the traditional role of a matriarch as a respected sage or councilor. Samara mentions when you first recruit her that after so many years as a Justicar, she isn't used to working with other people.

[lillitheris]

Batlass8 wrote...

– Miius, Liselle (asari): Younger daughter of Aria T'Loak, killed by Cerberus (unbeknownst to Aria) in 2184.
– Alene, Linesse (asari): Elder daughter of Aria T'Loak, last known location somewhere in the Shrike Abyssal nebula a few weeks into the Reaper war.

Out of curiosity, why did you give Aria's daughters different last names than Aria?  I've always assumed that daughters take their mothers' last names, but I suppose Aria probably changes her last name fairly often.  (Or that she did at one point in her life). 

Yes, I think the surname is maternal.

In this case, though, being T’Loak is kind of dangerous, so both girls were given different names to avoid the most obvious problems (I actually think it’s mentioned in the book that pretty much nobody knew Liselle was Aria’s). I can additionally reveal that neither Miius nor Alene are Aria’s previous fake surnames…exactly.

Modifié par lillitheris, 30 juillet 2012 - 05:21 .

[Mavqt]

Just a thought. Since Atheyta controls/leads 'some' huntresses, maybe she leads part of the Asari millita types thingy-me-bobs. (that's written in the games codex)

[lillitheris]

Han Shot First wrote...

While Aria might be in the matriarch stage of life I don't think she is considered one. The lore is a little vague but it seems as if the matriarch title is only given to people who are in the matriarchal stage of life, *and* fill the traditional role of a matriarch in Asari society: that of a trusted sage or councilor. That very social role of matriarchs is probably why Samara isn't called a matriarch either. The Justicars isolate themselves from society, and because of that Samara doesn't fill the traditional role of a matriarch.

Aria of coure is the pirate Queen of Omega, and as such would be not someone who would be respected as being 'wise' in Asari society as a whole. I don't think anyone would be calling her Matriarch T'Loak.

No, (in my canon) matriarchs are matriarchs. The actual social hierarchy in terms of government etc. is separate from that (although being a matriarch could be required for certain positions). I actually elide military ranks, too, from the hunter/militia basis…each individual knows her immediate CoC and there’s no need for ranks as such. Therefore, we have Matriarch Lidanya, not Admiral…

In addition, we know of the special honorifics Justicar and Councilor (similar to how in many cultures the title Doctor/Ambassador/Minister replaces the Mr./Mme./whatever). It’s possible that there are others—there’re hints about influential clerical sects, for example, or maybe simply clan/city/region leaders—but none are mentioned.

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Edit: I guess it won’t really be a spoiler if I explain that in my case, I use the T’ or Te-prefix to indicate that the family is…not exactly aristocracy, but—at least historically—regional leaders. The T’Sonis were originally the leaders of the Soni region clans (Soni, named after the river around which it sits, is a département of Serra, one of the five semi-autonomous ‘countries’ of Thessia.) Trivia: Loak is not actually a real region, it’s a part of the Purple Sea known for its capricious humors—not unlike the Bermuda Triangle.

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Edit2: Damn if I don’t read that thingy-me-boobs every time…

Modifié par lillitheris, 30 juillet 2012 - 05:49 .

[Mavqt]

@Lillitheris.

You like my boobs? Although I dont have a pair. :C

[ladyvader]

The lack of blue is disturbing.

[lillitheris]

It was all a ruse to lure you out, ladyvader!

@Batlass8: Uuf, what’s that outfit? I. Must. Have. I usually use the black-and-gold aged leather set in ME2, but I’m not up on ME3 texmods…

Edit:

Modifié par lillitheris, 30 juillet 2012 - 07:15 .

[mumba]

 Back from holiday, going to start posting here again. 

[jtav]

Would you guys be willing to give me your opinion as to whether Liara is the best possible final match for this Shepard? Christian Shepard (and yes, he knows how silly that name is, hence using his surname exclusively) was born into poverty on Earth. Violence was a way of life, and he did what he had to to survive and still tends toward dealing with situations aggressively rather than diplomatically. Despite that, he has a healthy intellectual curiosity and joined up as much out of a desire to explore space as to escape his life. He was posted to the Naval Exploration Flotilla and loved his actual work, but hated the regulations. He mouthed off to his superiors one too many times and found himself fighting in the Battle of Torfan. He completed his mission objective no matter the cost, but he didn't enjoy the killing at all. He doesn't really like being a violent thug, but he does have a ruthless streak. Sacrificin she's isg the Council, destroying Maelon's cure, and so on, though he did spare the rachni. He simply doesn't think he can afford the more Paragon path. He romances Liara in ME1 partly because she's as good and innocent as he wishes he was. The lady to her knight. He's the type of guy who will scan every last collectible on the map on principle and leave no system uncharted. He will choose Synthesis partly out of a desire for his last act to be creative rather than destructive.

The ME1 romance would have broken up after a few months. He's in love with the idea of her. But ME2/3 Liara is not who she was. She's less starry-eyed, but still very intelligent and intelligence is a turn on. It would be the story of two adults growing beyond infatuation into mature love. Her rival here is Miranda, who can offer him a cause to fight for and is no slouch in the intelligence or accomplishment front herself.

Thoughts?

[mumba]

jtav wrote...



Thoughts?

Sounds like Jack would be a better candidate.

[lillitheris]

jtav wrote...

Would you guys be willing to give me your opinion as to whether Liara is the best possible final match for this Shepard? [details elided]

Define ‘best’.

Love happens. If you’re not certain, flip a coin that represents body chemistries. Both work. (I’m dying to make a heads vs. tails joke here, but that would be unfair.)

I’m sorry I don’t have any more sensible input; I just never understood this question. Not a knock on you, jtav, my brain just doesn’t seem to have the required components for this.

[Theodoro]

@jtav:
I think Liara is still the beacon of hope in LotSB and ME3 that she was in ME1, and we see that in quite a few scenes with her, and regardless whether it's blind hope or not, she still clings to it even then, so while she has changed, she's still the same person. Christian Shepard being love in the idea of her doesn't quite make sense with Miranda being a rival since she's completely different. It sounds that Liara is a much more appropriate match. And I think eventually she would help him have a more Paragon way of thinking, as he isn't a complete Renegade from the sound of it. There's room for development with having Liara at his side. That's my interpretation, anyway.

@Mumba1511:
Welcome back to the thread!

Modifié par Theodoro, 30 juillet 2012 - 07:47 .

[ladyvader]

jtav wrote...

Thoughts?

To be honest, I think Miranda might be the better one for Christian Shepard.  I also think the sythnesis ending would fit him perfectly.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

jtav wrote...

Thoughts?

That actually sounds somewhat similar to my Shepard. Complete Renegade before Liara showed up, but after that he began to brighten up and take a more Paragade way of thinking. So I'd say yes.

[Theodoro]

lillitheris wrote...
Define ‘best’.

Love happens. If you’re not certain, flip a coin that represents body chemistries. Both work. (I’m dying to make a heads vs. tails joke here, but that would be unfair.)

I’m sorry I don’t have any more sensible input; I just never understood this question. Not a knock on you, jtav, my brain just doesn’t seem to have the required components for this.

Yes, love happens. But what would be the most likely person for somebody to love given their own past and personality? It's not something that can make or break a romance, but it can be a factor, whether it's something on a subconscious level or not. And after all, this is roleplaying - and most of the time you find yourself playing or writing other characters, so there's no harm in thinking about this.

@SergeantSnookie:
No, you changed your avatar! How can I read your posts in Elcor tone now?

Modifié par Theodoro, 30 juillet 2012 - 08:02 .

[Batlass8]

@lillitheris: Sadly, I am an uncouth Xbox gamer, and so that screenshot is not my own. I do think that it was taken during LotSB though, so it should be an ME2 mod, if that helps.

@jtav: I do think that Miranda is probably the better match for Christian Shepard, as you're describing him. If Miranda wasn't in the equation, I can see Shepard's infatuation with Liara evolving into something more mature and solid, but since Miranda is there and it seems that there's a more reasonable foundation for their relationship, I don't think it would make sense to him to move "backwards" as it were.

Edit: @SergeantSnookie: You changed your avatar!  I was very confused for a moment there!

Modifié par Batlass8, 30 juillet 2012 - 08:05 .

[Ravii]

Welcome back Mumba.

jtav wrote...

Thoughts?

In short, I would say Miranda may be a better choice but all in all I never understood that thing for rivalry in love. Because my Liara would never let herself "lower" to the level of rivalry in such a serious and important thing like love.


Badassfully -- Snookie, you irritated me for sec.

Modifié par Ravii, 30 juillet 2012 - 08:14 .

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Theodoro wrote...

@SergeantSnookie:
No, you changed your avatar! How can I read your posts in Elcor tone now?

Well...I guess you could read my posts in the 'You humans are all racist!' turian's voice now. Not the same, but its a start. 

I grew tired of my elcor, honestly. Sad, really. I've known him for so long...

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 30 juillet 2012 - 08:10 .

[jtav]

Sorry. "Rivalry" is a misnomer. Since I have no desire for Miranda to end up a corpse or for him to cheat (as in flat-out kie about wanting to continue the relationship), I have to choose before ME2 starts. Miranda is the other option. No catfights.

[DevilBeast]

Batlass8 wrote...

@mavqt: No worries! If I had an explanation, I probably wouldn't have asked the question, lol.

For some reason, I've always interpreted Aethyta's being sent to keep an eye on Liara as indicative that they didn't really see her as one of them. She's more an agent than an actual matriarch. Although, I suppose it makes sense for them to send one of their own to watch Liara, given that she apparently makes them nervous....

I can imagine that Aethyta also wanted to be the one to keep an eye on her daugther simply because if anyone else did it they might feel inclined to have her killed (because of her power as an information brooker).

[moreeman06]

 Hey everyone I'm back from my vaca and i have to say i worked more up there than i do back home *grumbles about cousins needing to build a rock wall for her lake house*  I absolutely loved it up there though it was a great week.  Now i come back here though and i find that i have 25 pages to read you guys just can't give me a break can you....  

[Theodoro]

moreeman06 wrote...

 Hey everyone I'm back from my vaca and i have to say i worked more up there than i do back home *grumbles about cousins needing to build a rock wall for her lake house*  I absolutely loved it up there though it was a great week.  Now i come back here though and i find that i have 25 pages to read you guys just can't give me a break can you....  

Good to have you back, Moreeman, welcome in the thread again! Sounds like a really nice trip. I was away myself and returned just yesterday. I had a lot to catch up on, too.

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Modifié par Theodoro, 30 juillet 2012 - 08:25 .

[DevilBeast]

lillitheris wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

– Miius, Liselle (asari): Younger daughter of Aria T'Loak, killed by Cerberus (unbeknownst to Aria) in 2184.
– Alene, Linesse (asari): Elder daughter of Aria T'Loak, last known location somewhere in the Shrike Abyssal nebula a few weeks into the Reaper war.

Out of curiosity, why did you give Aria's daughters different last names than Aria?  I've always assumed that daughters take their mothers' last names, but I suppose Aria probably changes her last name fairly often.  (Or that she did at one point in her life). 

Yes, I think the surname is maternal.

In this case, though, being T’Loak is kind of dangerous, so both girls were given different names to avoid the most obvious problems (I actually think it’s mentioned in the book that pretty much nobody knew Liselle was Aria’s). I can additionally reveal that neither Miius nor Alene are Aria’s previous fake surnames…exactly.

Wow, hold on. Me is a bit confused right now; is it stated in the books that Aria has more daugthers than just Liselle or is it only in Unity that you have made it so??

I´m only asking because I´m curious about it