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[Han Shot First]

doozer12 wrote...

I mean paragon control as in... the control ending when your paragon based - more for peoples benefit then your own selfish desire for power. Im not implying control is by any means a paragon choice. at all. none of the choices really are.
But yea changed my mind half way through writing that post.  She's a destroy ender picker.

Ah, sorry I misunderstood in that case.

[DOsquareZER]

Han Shot First wrote...
Ah, sorry I misunderstood in that case.

Nah worries, I should of worded it better.  My bad.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Hi, Good Morning Liara Fan's

Modifié par FRANCESCO84Inn, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:56 .

[Yuqi]

PMC65 wrote...

CrimsonN7 - How did you get a photo from that orgy .... I mean, tupperware party that doozer and I threw last weekend?

Speaking of which, Yuqi ... you left your ... uh ... ice cream trays here that you purchased.

The Ice-cream-cake was a lie. Sure I'll sign their head...........with a live taipan.

[moreeman06]

PMC65 wrote...

CrimsonN7 wrote...





^^ AWWW YEAH^^ 

CrimsonN7 - That picture of Ali is mine. Yeppers! I took that. Me! Moi!

*remembers that day and does a happy dance*

doozer - Banshees with omni-tools ...

Ok i know this is from 20+ pages ago but that is hillarious 

[Ravii]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

I saw this question on the Sam thread and I thought it was interesting so I'll just insert Liara. If Liara was given the three choices by the catalyst which choice would you think she'd choose? And you can elaborate if you like.

She would admit that the control sounds tempting but she thinks with that much power you will lose control at some point. She refuses synthesis without a doubt because it sounds to her more like an emergency exit if nothing else works and the catalyst would be somewhat satisfied. But Liara chooses destory like Shepard. They know what they have come for and no little starbrat can change that. And after she saw what the reapers did to Thessia, Palaven, Earth and all the other planets, she was even more determined to destory them. Maybe the brat was right and there will never be peace but that is our nature and I strongly believe that after the reaper war there will be a very long time in peace and without war.


@Crimson

Never back down against banshees. A tactical retrieve is all you need to finish them.

doozer - you have my blessing with your new avatar *bows*

Modifié par Ravii, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:21 .

[lillitheris]

Theodoro wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
Right, so you have to define ‘best’.

On what basis is such a decision made? If no option feels natural, then you either do it as mother nature does and roll a die, or lay out the result that you wish to achieve and then count the beans to see who gets closest.

…And, of course, even if you lay out all those details, answers here will still depend vastly on everyone’s interpretations of the characters—which may be quite different from what jtav’s are. Maybe this Shepard needs some kind of subtle therapy with all his trauma? Half of us will think one character is going to be better at it than the other.

This really is a lot of roleplaying at work here, especially in jtav's case when he has laid out a lot of  details about his Shepard that we can't have them come into play into the game directly - such as the extended background information. I think something like that is enough to be able to decide which LI feels the most natural choice, hence why I offered my view about it and what I personally felt would be natural. And here lies the difference, where people can have different interpretations about the character because it's a fictional one and can have discussions about it, when in reality a real person would know him/herself and falling in love would be a truly natural thing that nobody else can define for him or her.

The emphasis, except that it’s got nothing to do with knowing yourself. It just happens.

I did not at any point say or even imply that you shouldn’t explain your views. Hopefully they’re helpful to jtav!  I don’t know if you read sarcasm into what I said, or what? There was none.

I do understand roleplaying perfectly well, thank you very much. When the question is “should Shepard choose to love Liara or Miranda”, my answer is that (s)he shouldn’t be choosing either. I think that, roleplaying, if you start trying to match traits…it’s not the best way to go about it. You can’t really make objective arguments about which is better. There isn’t any kind of scientifically quantifiable “more likely to love”. There’s only “more likely to succeed in a relationship”.

If the question is “for best narrative, which should be chosen”, then the question becomes that of the goals of said narrative. Happiness ever after? Tranquility? Volatility? Conflict? Failure of the romance…? Then you can try to tailor traits to it.

Anyway, I don’t know why this is such a big production, so I’ll just drop it…

…

Modifié par lillitheris, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:36 .

[JDee3]

*sigh* I just don't get why people think Control is such a renegade thing and worse than destroy.
I feel like it depends what you head cannon when it comes to Control.. and everyone is so negative when they head cannon it. Some people just need to admit they want Shepard to live if you ask me..

As for what Liara would choose.. don't know but she has a bit too much of a temper at times for Control to be good. I can just see all the people being beamed for not helping build statues of Shepard on their planet. I see her doing Synthesis.. even though it creeps me out a bit and I don't think I ever got the full understanding of it.. I can't see her saying well destroy is the lesser of evils even if it means destroying synthetics.. she would choose refusal before that in my opinion

Modifié par JDee3, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:39 .

[Han Shot First]

Liara spends most of Mass Effect 3 playing a key role in the Crucible's construction. The time capsule she creates in case they fail, also containts instructions for the next cycle on how to build/use the Crucible.

With all of that in mind, I can't see Liara even considering not using the weapon she helped create.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:03 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Hi, in my first run in ME3 i choice Distruction Ending, and in the EC i choice Distruction Ending,
i'm heppy for this decision, because is my only "Ending" in ME3, because this decision is in line
whit my thoughts, at the beggining of ME1, I knew of Destroy the Reaper for save the Galaxy,

no Control no Synthesis

only Destroy

- The Relay not is destroyed, also damaged
- Shepard is alive
- Liara not put the name of Shepard in the Momorial Wall

i need the dlc post ending for Save my Female Shepard under the Ruin's.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Like I said before, I don't think Liara would completely trust herself with controlling the Reapers. I probably wouldn't either.

Really, I can only see her choosing Destroy.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:01 .

[Ravii]

Han Shot First wrote...

Liara spends most of Mass Effect 3 playing a key role in the Crucible's instruction. The time capsule she creates in case they fail, also containts instructions for the next cycle on how to build/use the Crucible.

With all of that in mind, I can't see Liara even considering not using the weapon she helped create.

That is a promising argument and also makes a lot sense IMO.

[lillitheris]

JDee3 wrote...

*sigh* I just don't get why people think Control is such a renegade thing and worse than destroy.
I feel like it depends what you head cannon when it comes to Control.. and everyone is so negative when they head cannon it. Some people just need to admit they want Shepard to live if you ask me..

Agreed. I wrote about the motivations behind the choices in some detail…

Assuming that Liara was there with Shepard—and obviously assuming the Catalyst is reliable and all that—I think her natural instinct would be Control. Destroy might win over it in the end, especially on an emotional but also intellectual level…but I don’t think  that she’d find Control a bad option, relatively speaking, at all.

Now, of course, Liara wasn’t there, and I changed some other subtle details to make more sense in the ending, so Destroy is what we get…

…

I absolutely do not think Liara would choose Refuse. Instead of killing the geth in Destroy, you’re killing the geth and everybody else. That’s…not smart. Liara knows the Crucible is the only way to victory, so she’s not going to doom this cycle out of ill-advised egoism. There is no guarantee that any future cycle will make it even as close as this one made it, either, so for all she knows, this might be the last chance ever.

I’d also like to think that she would be compassionate enough to not force Synthesis on everyone (if she even believed the whole synthetics/organics conflict to begin with).

So those two are right out.

Modifié par lillitheris, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:02 .

[lillitheris]

mavqt wrote...

Off topic. since I know people here write fics and shizz, I need a hand.

Can't get the wording right in this sentence.

"After he was dealt with, Alestia summoned a throw detonating the rift like a gory firework of blood and innards."

Think you got a bit of advice in the Fanfic Writers’ thread, but I’d go with some variation or combination of:

“The man dealt with, Alestia summoned a throw to detonate the rift…”; or

“After dealing with him, Alestia summoned a throw, detonating the rift…”; or, my preference,

“Him dealt with, Alestia threw her biotic energy at the rift, detonating it…”

Liara's favourite earth/human beverage. Alcoholic and not.

Kiwi juice.

Modifié par lillitheris, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:21 .

[Han Shot First]

JDee3 wrote...
*sigh* I just don't get why people think Control is such a renegade thing and worse than destroy.
I feel like it depends what you head cannon when it comes to Control.. and everyone is so negative when they head cannon it. Some people just need to admit they want Shepard to live if you ask me..

Control is  the renegade choice. It is pretty much defined as such by Bioware, both by having one of the most renegade characters in the series as its avatar, and by having the EMS requirements for the best Control Ending more easily obtained if the player went wiith the big Renegade choice at the end of ME2.

I chose Destroy, but it was never about Shepard living. I liked Destroy because it was the only one that actually kills the Reapers and Star Brat, and it because as the paragon choice it was more in line with my paragade's morality. If Shepard somehow survived Synthesis and Control but always died in Destroy, I'd still choose Destroy every time.

I don't doubt that some people choose Destroy just because Shepard lives, but I wouldn't say that is the primary reason for that ending's popularity. The biggest selling point of Destroy IMO, is that it is the only ending where the Reaper's don't survive.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:27 .

[shepard1038]

JDee3 wrote...

*sigh* I just don't get why people think Control is such a renegade thing and worse than destroy.
I feel like it depends what you head cannon when it comes to Control.. and everyone is so negative when they head cannon it. Some people just need to admit they want Shepard to live if you ask me..

As for what Liara would choose.. don't know but she has a bit too much of a temper at times for Control to be good. I can just see all the people being beamed for not helping build statues of Shepard on their planet. I see her doing Synthesis.. even though it creeps me out a bit and I don't think I ever got the full understanding of it.. I can't see her saying well destroy is the lesser of evils even if it means destroying synthetics.. she would choose refusal before that in my opinion

Want to know why people think Control is renegade? Let me start by saying that the choice involves Shepard taking Control of the reapers. A specie that doesn't have free will. That is made of the trillions of people that have been killed over billions of years. Whose sole purpose is mass destruction and harvesting. If you save the Collector base(renegade) it helps you pick Control. If you destroy the Collector base(paragon) you need less war assets to choose destroy. TIM appears choosing Control. Anderson appears choosing destroy. No even if Shepard died in destroy i will still choose destroy.

I can't see Liara picking refusal. It doesn't acomplish anything. The galaxy gets harvested and all you have is the hope that the next cycle can win. Not to mention is selfish. They recruited all those ships and soldiers and build the most advanced machine in the galaxy and in the end you aren't using the crucible. For those reasons I think Liara would choose Destroy.

Modifié par shepard1038, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:27 .

[lillitheris]

Han Shot First wrote...

JDee3 wrote...
*sigh* I just don't get why people think Control is such a renegade thing and worse than destroy.
I feel like it depends what you head cannon when it comes to Control.. and everyone is so negative when they head cannon it. Some people just need to admit they want Shepard to live if you ask me..

Control is  the renegade choice. It is pretty much defined as such by Bioware, both by having one of the most renegade characters in the series as its avatar, and by having the EMS requirements for the best Control Ending more easily obtained if the player went wiith the big Renegade choice at the end of ME2.

This is not sound logic, at all.

Bad people do the right thing all the time, whether they mean to or not. Good options may open as result of bad actions. Good intentions is an adage; there’s no reason why the opposite can’t be true.

So what TIM may think, or how exactly you came to have an option, aren’t really relevant details. The only things that matter in that moment are the motivations and the likely results. As such, Control is reasonable…you avoid killing anyone, you avoid potentially messing up the galactic infrastructure, and you gain a powerful army in case you buy into this synthetic threat.

(I also outright reject the idea of the Reapers being any kind of gestalt comprised of living beings from the previous cycles. Even if you disagree, it’s completely unproven at the time of making the decision—so without metagaming, that’s a huge gamble to make, and you should err on the side of the known living beings. But enough of that, I don’t want to get started on that, because Liara Does Not Approve.)

Modifié par lillitheris, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:44 .

[Yuqi]

JDee3 wrote...

*sigh* I just don't get why people think Control is such a renegade thing and worse than destroy.
I feel like it depends what you head cannon when it comes to Control.. and everyone is so negative when they head cannon it. Some people just need to admit they want Shepard to live if you ask me..

As for what Liara would choose.. don't know but she has a bit too much of a temper at times for Control to be good. I can just see all the people being beamed for not helping build statues of Shepard on their planet. I see her doing Synthesis.. even though it creeps me out a bit and I don't think I ever got the full understanding of it.. I can't see her saying well destroy is the lesser of evils even if it means destroying synthetics.. she would choose refusal before that in my opinion

Yup, that's pretty much what it comes down too.IMO

Modifié par Yuqi, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:58 .

[Han Shot First]

lillitheris wrote...



Bad people do the right thing all the time, whether they mean to or not. Good options may open as result of bad actions. Good intentions is an adage; there’s no reason why the opposite can’t be true.

I only take issue with the misconception some have that Destroy is renegade and Control is paragon. That is incorrect. Otherwise I agree that a paragon choice is not automatically the right one.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:00 .

[lillitheris]

Han Shot First wrote...

lillitheris wrote...



Bad people do the right thing all the time, whether they mean to or not. Good options may open as result of bad actions. Good intentions is an adage; there’s no reason why the opposite can’t be true.

I don't disagree.

I only take issue with the misconception some have that Destroy is renegade and Control is paragon. That is incorrect. Otherwise I agree that a paragon choice is not automatically the right one.

Sure. I think framing them in those terms at all is unnecessary.

[Yuqi]

I don't see any of the choices as Paragon, or Renegade per-say.Synthesis isyour basic sugar-coated utopian 'heaven on earth' scenario, Control is your space-messiah scenario, and destroy is basic defeat the enemy 'pew pew' ending.

[shepard1038]

:lol:Look at the first post. That has to be the ugliest Shepard. I didn't want to post that here since it would be an insult: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11356269/120

Modifié par shepard1038, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:14 .

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

shepard1038 wrote...

LOL Look at the first post. Thas has to be the ugliest Shepard. I didn't want to post that here since it would be an insult : http://social.biowar...ex/11356269/120

Because of the cost of TIM's fancy throne room, some budget cuts had to be made. The Lazarus Project was one of them. 

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:16 .

[JDee3]

shepard1038 wrote...

Want to know why people think Control is renegade? Let me start by saying that the choice involves Shepard taking Control of the reapers. A specie that doesn't have free will. That is made of the trillions of people that have been killed over billions of years. Whose sole purpose is mass destruction and harvesting. If you save the Collector base(renegade) it helps you pick Control. If you destroy the Collector base(paragon) you need less war assets to choose destroy. TIM appears choosing Control. Anderson appears choosing destroy. No even if Shepard died in destroy i will still choose destroy.

I can't see Liara picking refusal. It doesn't acomplish anything. The galaxy gets harvested and all you have is the hope that the next cycle can win. Not to mention is selfish. They recruited all those ships and soldiers and build the most advanced machine in the galaxy and in the end you aren't using the crucible. For those reasons I think Liara would choose Destroy.

I say Liara would choose refusal before destroy because of course she wouldn't know for a fact that every one would die (she didn't see all the youtube videos).. however she's prepared for it and I just can't see her destroying all synthestics.. ME is a whole other Universe where it's like robots were evoling into something more than machines.. That's the way I was looking at it. Not saying refusal would be her first choice.

Now if Shepard does take Control it does depend on if Shep is Paragon (which mine is) or Regenade. In my case the Reapers became guardians of the galaxy defending it and making sure life continues (There is nothing Renegade about this to me.) You also see the Reapers sole purpose change to rebuilding and helping with everything instead of destruction (what ever they were before is irrelevent.) I also did read on how if you choose to save the Collector base it helps get control.. my thing is well it wouldn't make sense if it were the other way around really and you destroyed it and got help with control. It can also be a way of Bioware saying F U to all the people who rushed through a game they put so much time into.. just like refusal ending was an F U for refusing/hating on our ending options, everyone dies now. With TIM and Anderson appearing doing their sides was what I thought was Bioware's way of throwing you off.. it's a choice driven series and it was there way of making your last decision not an easy one. I can also easily say well this side was blue and this side is red so I'll go with the blue cause that's paragon (like saying well Anderson is good so I'll side with destroy.. it goes both ways).

Anyways.. I don't know it's all just opinions at the end. Bioware always talks about how they wanted people to constantly talk about the ending and discuss them and it what they got *shrug* I'm just waiting for my SP DLC :]

Edit: Oh man I'm at the top for once.. does that mean I have to put a picture?

Modifié par JDee3, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:35 .

[Ravii]

shepard1038 wrote...

:lol:Look at the first post. That has to be the ugliest Shepard. I didn't want to post that here since it would be an insult: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11356269/120

Have you ever seen the Samuel L. Shepard? This is so wrong.