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[S3Plan]

Yuqi wrote...
Here you go 

Thanks! I'd already reblogged it a couple of days ago.

[Promises]

Haiyato wrote...

ucdcsteve wrote...

mavqt wrote...

You could always play Me2 and screenshot till you're blue in the face.

That's what i did when I drew it.

Believe me I would, but I'm on xbox. I don't know if grainy pictures would help or hinder me haha. 
I also checked youtube to see playthroughs. Unfortunately, people in play throughs usually don't stop to admire the scenery. 

I like looking at the scenery. I think I spent a good 45 minutes to an hour in the apartment looking at everything. I will see if I have any screenshots for you. If not it will give me a good reason to go back and take some more lol.

I checked out the scenery at the ending choice. The earth was concave instead of spherical. (earths horizon horizonal 360 degrees around the room)

[mumba]

The amount of detail Bioware put into earth during the ending choice was terrible.

[Y3Y00]

Quite frankly, I doubt anyone would've chosen Destroy, had Shepard died in that ending, because it's the only appealing aspect. I mean, what's not to like about the omnipotent, almost omniscient new fancy Shepard?

[Mavqt]

^ I picked destroy because it destroyed the enemy, no other reason.

(I managed to keep myself spoiler free on first playthrough.)

[Promises]

Because he isnt shep anymore. Or atleast thats what the kid says. Or something like it. Cba to check a vid atm.

[Mavqt]

the Catalyst just recognizes sheps memories and morales.

I think of it as installing a add-on to a game. Or patching something. (Catalyst V 2.0)

[Y3Y00]

The Catalyst is the consensus of the Reapers, it is their accumulative intelligence and consciousness. It is the Reapers, so, Shepard is recognized as an entirely new entity, its morales, memories, experiences, priorities govern the Reapers as their base programming, as guidelines they are to follow, completely overwriting and replacing the fallible, old flawed, psycho Catalyst. For the Reapers, it's only physical continuity, but through programming, they've changed beyond recognition.

At least, that's my interpretation of the Control ending.

[mumba]

I agree with Mavqt, the main reason I chose destroy, was that it was my mission to destroy the Reapers since the first game, if the Reapers still exist, my mission Isn't complete and a potential threat is still existent.

[karmensandiego]

ladyvader wrote...

jtav wrote...

Thoughts?

To be honest, I think Miranda might be the better one for Christian Shepard.  I also think the sythnesis ending would fit him perfectly.

*races in*

LADYVADER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*GLOMP*

I was just mentioning you when I was bemoaning the disappearance of other thread veterans!!!!!

*GLOMP GLOMP GLOMP*

[karmensandiego]

moreeman06 wrote...

 Hey everyone I'm back from my vaca and i have to say i worked more up there than i do back home *grumbles about cousins needing to build a rock wall for her lake house*  I absolutely loved it up there though it was a great week.  Now i come back here though and i find that i have 25 pages to read you guys just can't give me a break can you....  

MOREEMAN!!!!

*glomp*

[cohina]

Where's my hug, Karmen? 

...Not that I would've actually been away like on a vacation or anything but hugs are always nice ...and being busy for a few days does count as being absent, right?

[Akernis]

Y3Y00 wrote...
Quite frankly, I doubt anyone would've chosen Destroy, had Shepard died in that ending, because it's the only appealing aspect. 

You would be wrong. While true the fact that Shepard lives was the most apealing aspect of the Destroy ending for me I would have picked it anyway. It seems like the least of three evils, both control and synthesis scares and/or disgusts me, and the refusal is kind of lame IMO.

Happy ending with Liara was for me a, or the, major motivator but not the only one. 

Y3Y00 wrote...
I mean, what's not to like about the omnipotent, almost omniscient new fancy Shepard?

Right... because there is no way that this power would possibly corrupt Shepard.
Or that having an unstopable army of near-invincible monsters that could annihilate anything and anyone that Shepard chooses on a whim could possibly go wrong.
Or that without friends or loved ones for an eternity that Shepard could not slowly change or become insane/corrupted/malfunction or cold-and-machine-calculating and have the whole cycle start again.
Or that Shepard could ever loose control over his or her new pets.

Would Shepard even agree with his or her own ideals after ten years of being a sentient AI-like entity? after a hundred? a thousand? ten thousand? a million?
The next civilisations might not find Shepard as benevolent, even the current ones might become in trouple when Shepard's links to them (such as friends or LI) eventually dies.

In short I am not interested in Shepard becoming some kind of immortal or god-like entity. And the idea that Shepard could hold the entire galaxy practically enslaved if he or she so chosses does not appeal to me either. And unless the new Shepard somehow possesses an infinite supply of restraint and willpower to hold back from becoming cold and detached I see no way it won't end in disaster. That much power in the hands of one individual for all eternity with no way of being stopped or kept true to their ideals and beliefs by friends and loved ones is just asking for something to go wrong

I won't even go into Synthesis, I find it sickening and wrong on so many levels.

Sorry for that, but I really dislike those two endings.

Something more pleasent than the negativity

cohina wrote...
Where's my hug, Karmen? 

...Not that I would've actually been away like on a vacation or anything but hugs are always nice ...and being busy for a few days does count as being absent, right?

*pushes cohina over to Karmen and hugs both of them*

Modifié par Akernis, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:54 .

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Mumba1511 wrote...

The amount of detail Bioware put into earth during the ending choice was terrible.

lol, that's why the Anderson scene cracked me up a bit the first time, he said it was quite a view when all they were looking at was a shoddily renderered earth.

Also lol:



By Link-kiral on DeviantArt

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:59 .

[DOsquareZER]

Man, I hate when people make it out that folks are ''one-dimensional'' for picking destroy, as if the whole Shep lives and subsequent releasing of the barrier that he/she can reunite with LI was the only motivation....  Hell back when I first played, and finished the damn third installment, back before gibbed, I had 3800 for my score, every damn war asset i could muster and that's the highest it could go, and I couldn't do MP where I was at.  Not enough for the 4-5k shep lives requirement (that i was unaware of at the time).  So to me shep died in all endings, I still picked destroy however, and did it again with the release of EC.  Still despised the christ like martyr that all endings presented, and choosing control for  my canon shep just felt... like doing a two step forward, three step back maneuver combined with a wtf kansas city shuffle, with a sprinkling of god complex on top for flavor.

But alas, we've been through all this many times - onto blue-er  things (excluding control beam).  Or grey and orange things, i ain't picky.

Modifié par doozer12, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:08 .

[Mavqt]

^Double bass = win

Or is that a chello

[mumba]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

The amount of detail Bioware put into earth during the ending choice was terrible.

lol, that's why the Anderson scene cracked me up a bit the first time, he said it was quite a view when all they were looking at was a shoddily renderered earth.

Also lol:



By Link-kiral on DeviantArt

I was eating when I saw this picture. Now I have another near death experience on my hands.

[Akernis]

doozer12 wrote...

Man, I hate when people make it out that folks are ''one-dimensional'' for picking destroy, as if the whole Shep lives and subsequent releasing of the barrier that he/she can reunite with LI was the only motivation....  Hell back when I first played, and finished the damn third installment, back before gibbed, I had 3800 for my score, every damn war asset i could muster and that's the highest it could go, and I couldn't do MP where I was at.  Not enough for the 4-5k shep lives requirement (that i was unaware of at the time).  So to me shep died in all endings, I still picked destroy however, and did it again with the release of EC.  Still despised the christ like martyr that all endings presented, and choosing control for  my canon shep just felt... like doing a two step forward, three step back maneuver combined with a wtf kansas city shuffle, with a sprinkling of god complex on top for flavor.

Agreed with everything here

doozer12 wrote...
But alas, we've been through all this many times - onto blue-er  things (excluding control beam). 

Sounds like a brilliant idea.

doozer12 wrote...
Or grey and orange things, i ain't picky.

*narrows eyes* I saw what you did there.

[Y3Y00]

@Akernis Thanks for you thorough, very detailed reply. You present a very viable counterargument, but have you seen Watchmen, or read the comics? The persona and notion of Dr.Manhattan is provides a very clear insight on Control Shepard's. I think Shepard will become detached from her old self after she's gained access to the culture, knowledge and technology of thousands of harvested civilizations. She now becomes an entity that exists in a much higher planes of existence, that would pursue unfathomable goals to us. After rebuilding, providing organics with technologies that would greatly boost their civilizations, Shepard would depart, leaving them to advance freely as they so choose, and as she loses interest in their insignificant actions, questionable morals, quarrels and bickering, but would not proceed to exterminate them. She would probably strive to travel to other nearby galaxies. Seems conceivable to me. But power does not simply 'corrupt' an AI, it does so to organics.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Mumba1511 wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

The amount of detail Bioware put into earth during the ending choice was terrible.

lol, that's why the Anderson scene cracked me up a bit the first time, he said it was quite a view when all they were looking at was a shoddily renderered earth.

Also lol:

*Snip*

By Link-kiral on DeviantArt

I was eating when I saw this picture. Now I have another near death experience on my hands.

Heh, sorry about that. 

Anyway, I'll see you all later, as I said a few pages back, I'm attempting to drive from Denmark to France in two days or less, figure I need some sleep for that. I'll be back on Monday. 

I don't look forward to reading through all the pages I missed when I get back. 

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:29 .

[Y3Y00]

doozer12 wrote...

Man, I hate when people make it out that folks are ''one-dimensional'' for picking destroy, as if the whole Shep lives and subsequent releasing of the barrier that he/she can reunite with LI was the only motivation....  Hell back when I first played, and finished the damn third installment, back before gibbed, I had 3800 for my score, every damn war asset i could muster and that's the highest it could go, and I couldn't do MP where I was at.  Not enough for the 4-5k shep lives requirement (that i was unaware of at the time).  So to me shep died in all endings, I still picked destroy however, and did it again with the release of EC.  Still despised the christ like martyr that all endings presented, and choosing control for  my canon shep just felt... like doing a two step forward, three step back maneuver combined with a wtf kansas city shuffle, with a sprinkling of god complex on top for flavor.

But alas, we've been through all this many times - onto blue-er  things (excluding control beam).  Or grey and orange things, i ain't picky.

I am sorry. I seem to have been mistaken, but that's mostly due to my frustration; my inability to consider Destory my canon ending. Frankly, Liara's smile and unwillingess to add the plaque made a world of difference, but I still preceived Control as them most beneficial ending. Although I can still see why some people would choose Destroy. Again, I apologize. :happy:

[shepard1038]

There has to be an ending where Shepard survives.

[Akernis]

@Y2Y00: First, sorry if I was a little aggressive before it was not meant as an atttack and thanks for not taking it as such.
 

Y3Y00 wrote...
@Akernis Thanks for you thorough, very detailed reply. You present a very viable counterargument, but have you seen Watchmen, or read the comics?

I can't say that I have no.

Y3Y00 wrote...
I think Shepard will become detached from her old self after she's gained access to the culture, knowledge and technology of thousands of harvested civilizations. She now becomes an entity that exists in a much higher planes of existence, that would pursue unfathomable goals to us.

Interesting idea though I am not sure that is possible, she is still "just" an AI, if probably the most advanced one ever, but still only a program if you will. I am not even sure that this new catalyst is actually shepard and not just an imprint, so to speak.
I am not sure that knowledge alone can make you exist on a higher plane of existance (provided there is such a thing, which I can't say either way). The Reapers shows no sign of living on any higher plan and neither did the catalyst despite having had access to all that knowledge and technology for aeons.

Y3Y00 wrote...
After rebuilding, providing organics with technologies that would greatly boost their civilizations, Shepard would depart.

How? Shepard is (as far as I am aware) physically present aboard the Citadel. How would she be able to depart?
I fought the whole point was to remain and keep the Reapers in check.

Y3Y00 wrote...
Seems conceivable to me.

I can't say, it is definately not how I would view it, but I recognise that this is as free territory for speculation as it gets since we are not really given much information. If that is how you see it than I certainly won't try to claim to know better.  

Y3Y00 wrote...
But power does not simply 'corrupt' an AI, it does so to organics.

Seeing and hearing Harbinger and Sovereign I am not sure I agree with that. Unless of course you claim they are blameless and were just "innocently" doing as they were told, in which case seeing and hearing the star br... catalyst I am not sure I agree. 
The fact that the Reapers were not actually evil but just some clueless minion to a wierd Ai was what all-but ruined them as awesome antagonists for me in the third game, and nearly the single thing that was most important for me to fix in my alternative ending fic, second only to happy ending.

Okay I can see where you are coming from, even if I don't agree

Modifié par Akernis, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:59 .

[DOsquareZER]

Y3Y00 wrote...
I am sorry. I seem to have been mistaken, but that's mostly due to my frustration; my inability to consider Destory my canon ending. Frankly, Liara's smile and unwillingess to add the plaque made a world of difference, but I still preceived Control as them most beneficial ending. Although I can still see why some people would choose Destroy. Again, I apologize. :happy:

meh no worries, different minds, different viewpoints, different understandings of things.  Its what makes people so interesting.  I respect your viewpoint.  I understand why control could be viewed as quite beneficial, don't get me wrong, there are pro's and con's to each side of these arguments - after 3 months of analyzing the crap out of 'em all (synthesis is still crap, I can't seem to find sense or many pro's here without wandering to disney, bleh some things are just better in theory and should remain in fantasy) ...  Although I do have an Engineer Femshep that would probably take control - fits her char a wee bit better than destroy does.  As well as a paragon vanguard who if i brought through the final game, Im sure would pick refuse and suffer a nervous breakdown.  

Hmmm, you think id learn by now NOT to enter a room topless.  'ang on.


ooo, a better one, one we shouldve listened to! But noooo had to go and lay waste to cerberus...

Modifié par doozer12, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:51 .

[mumba]

shepard1038 wrote...

There has to be an ending where Shepard survives.

Adding a Shepard lives ending was in my opinion, a horrible idea from Bioware. They don't plan to make anymore games about Shepard so why was it implemented? Now that I know Shepard is alive my mind is aching for a reunion with Liara & the rest of the Normandy crew and more Games that follow Shepard. With speculation, I'm not really interested in a game without Shepard even if the whole Normandy crew is there.