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[shepard1038]

@frudi

Wait if Liara can read people. How can Shepard lie to Liara or give her a surprise present? Or a gift for her birthday?Also do Asari celebrate birthdays?

Modifié par shepard1038, 01 août 2012 - 03:28 .

[Han Shot First]

PMC65 wrote...

I think that Sekat is a reveal to some of the things she had done during those two years and when I saw her entrance in ME3 I thought her no blink attitude as she stepped forward and finished off the guys was great. As to how dark she went would be up to each player ... You either see Sekat as her only sacrifice to the cause or see him as just a glimpse behind the curtain. I see him as just a glimpse to how far she had fallen from Liara on Therum.

Agreed.

I don't think Liara could have been a successful information broker on Illium if she always played the girl scout. I think she can be quite ruthless, when she needs to be.

She'd never murder innocents, but I also don't think she'd lose sleep over having agents of the Shadow Broker or other undesirables whacked.

I don't think she was intending to kill the client who was late on his payment however, if only because that is bad business. Take bookies or loan sharks as an example. Their objective is to shake down the person that owes them money, not kill them, otherwise they don't collect what they are owed. So with that in mind I think Liara was just posturing, hoping to intimidate him so that he'd pay up.

I don't doubt however that Liara's threats were backed by a repuation as someone who wasn't to be trifled with. Illium after all, is little more than Omega with a veneer of civilization.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 01 août 2012 - 03:41 .

[PMC65]

Han Shot First - Bookies and loan sharks will kill a non-paying client as an example to their other clients. And while Liara is an information broker, it must be closer to that side of the track then say a loan agent since she uses the threat of bodily harm ... or death ... to get her payment.

Focusing on Liara's threat ... If she is threatening to flay a client with her mind then she needs to be ready to follow through if he fails to pay. To threaten him and then do nothing if he calls her on it by not paying ... That's not good. Word would spread that she is full of hot air and she would find other clients not paying.

So either Liara is bluffing with her threat, which makes her look naive and/or foolish ... a child playing at a grown up game or she understands that if he forces her hand, she is willing to follow through. I personally think that she would follow through if pushed. Others might think that she would let him go because she was bluffing. It's the players call really.

Modifié par PMC65, 01 août 2012 - 04:20 .

[H4nniba11]

frudi wrote...

PMC... bookies and loan-sharks resort to physical violence because that's pretty much the only effective tool they have at their disposal. Liara doesn't have to use such crude methods, she has more refined and effective options available. Doesn't mean she'd never make a threat of violence, but her usual threats would probably be about leaking some sensitive information regarding the uncooperative client.

When she does resort to making physical threats, I imagine is when she judges that option to be the most effective. Or maybe when dealing with some really shady or questionable characters that she thinks might actually deserve it, but I suspect information threats would usually be more effective with such characters.
The client we see her threatening sure seemed to me like he's not exactly a courageous type, looked more like he was about to wet his pants. And the threat she made was pretty absurd, I mean... flaying him alive with her mind? That's not actually something she can really follow through with . Poor little ignorant bastard was probably just way out of his league and comfort zone, she picked up on it and made an absurd posturing threat because she knew he would cave with no resistance.

Actually flaying someone with mind is quite easy with biotics. If you read about biotics in codex of Mass Effect then you probably remember that there is 3 way to use biotics: Telekinesis, Kinetic Fields and Spatial Distortion. The last one practically rips anything caught in rapid changing mass effect field into pieces in molecular level. Now imagine such field casted on someones skin.

[Promises]

frudi wrote...

H4nniba11 wrote...

Actually flaying someone with mind is quite easy with biotics. If you read about biotics in codex of Mass Effect then you probably remember that there is 3 way to use biotics: Telekinesis, Kinetic Fields and Spatial Distortion. The last one practically rips anything caught in rapid changing mass effect field into pieces in molecular level. Now imagine such field casted on someones skin.

It's quite a stretch to go from rapidly shifting mass fields to assuming these can be manipulated at a fine enough level to literally flay someone alive.

Warp.

frudi wrote...

She's an information broker, not an assassin. If someone refuses to pay, she has other, more effective means of extracting payment or revenge.

Blackmail would be an ideal fit for a informationbroker.

Modifié par Promises, 01 août 2012 - 07:04 .

[lillitheris]

PMC65 wrote...

Lizardviking - Liara can read people, as shown with her ability to cut into the Shadow Broker, so she would threaten the person based off what would work. So can I see her threatening someone's family? Yes. If that was what it took.

I don’t think she’d get herself in a situation where she’d need to do so.

Also, yeah, information broker…is a person who brokers information, by and large. Movies make things exciting, but…well. Nevermind.

Liara was given a darkness in ME2 & LotSB that for some reason they tried to soften by her "claiming" she didn't mean it. *facepalm* Please! She meant it. Ask Sekat if Liara wouldn't serve someone up on a platter if need be ... and she said she would do it again. Poor Sekat. I knew him well.

Here’s where the problem lies, for me: she was “given a darkness”, indeed. That doesn’t mean it’s not real for that period…but just as you think that she wouldn’t suddenly stop being “dark”, I don’t think she’d suddenly become “dark”. So it’s curious that you don’t question that change.

Her base nature is kind and compassionate. Not without its less attractive sides, of course, but it’s not an act hiding a great “darkness” or whatever. The broker persona is something she created for herself, and something she herself came to believe. It’s classic survival psychology. With Shepard returned an the Broker dispatched, she can eventually let go of it.

I’m not sure what the Sekat reference is about…he’s the salarian fellow who was killed by their enemies?

(Since, apparently, it’s necessary of late: you’re welcome to believe whatever you like. What I wrote above is my opinion, based on my perception of the details we’re given. I believe that the “dark” change is more abrupt—and therefore less permanent—than the change back into the “light”.)

Modifié par lillitheris, 01 août 2012 - 07:17 .

[Yuqi]

Akernis wrote...

But then I was never a fan of her renegade outlook in ME2 and very happy they scalled that down in ME3 and most of LotSB. I also remain optimistic about her caring nature and that she has retained that as much as possible, what was it Yuqi called me several hundred pages back... starry-eyed I think.

I'm surprised you remember that, I don't lol. 

PMC65 wrote...

I think that Sekat is a reveal to some of the things she had done during those two years and when I saw her entrance in ME3 I thought her no blink attitude as she stepped forward and finished off the guys was great. As to how dark she went would be up to each player ... You either see Sekat as her only sacrifice to the cause or see him as just a glimpse behind the curtain. I see him as just a glimpse to how far she had fallen from Liara on Therum.

Yeah I'm in agreement with PMC on this,  issue. I do get the sense she hides things from Shepard.(It's even more obvious if you import without LOTSB.)

Anyway I'll leave the native=speakers to debate these things.

[lillitheris]

frudi wrote...

Promises wrote...

Warp.

Yes, what about it? One of my favourite abilities through all three games, never seen or heard of it flaying anyone.

‘Flaying’ being the process of removing the skin, and only the skin.

Blackmail would be an ideal fit for a information broker.

Don't you think an information broker could blackmail people with something other than physical violence?

Threat of physical violence is not ‘blackmail’, by definition.

[shepard1038]

Do Asari celebrate birthday as Humans do?

[lillitheris]

frudi wrote...

Threat of physical violence is not ‘blackmail’, by definition.

Depends on whose definition. In every-day usage of the word, it certainly includes the threat of physical harm. In legalese, well, it depends on the country; some legal systems include physical threats in the definition and some don't. But IANAL, so everyone feel free to disagree with me on this

No, it never* is. Especially colloquially. Blackmail is coercion via threat of revealing information (whether true or not). If someone threatens to beat you up, then…that’s what you call it. Not blackmail!


* As in, I’ve never heard it used that way in the US or the UK.

[lillitheris]

shepard1038 wrote...

Do Asari celebrate birthday as Humans do?

Up to you.

[Ravii]

shepard1038 wrote...

Do Asari celebrate birthday as Humans do?

In my canon they do but not every year.  Every few decades and when they enter the matron/matriarch stage.

Modifié par Ravii, 01 août 2012 - 09:06 .

[JDee3]

How old do you think Liara is in human years? She looks like she could be 20 in the first game and in ME2+3 she looks like she could 22 to maybe 25

..I wonder how she looked when she was 20 in Asari years ._. probably like a 10 year old or something.. weird
I'm only wondering because by the time I got to ME3 my Shep looked like he was almost getting to that point where he was considered old. I gave him a new haircut and everything (only cause they ruined the one I usually had)

[cohina]

JDee3 wrote...

How old do you think Liara is in human years? She looks like she could be 20 in the first game and in ME2+3 she looks like she could 22 to maybe 25

..I wonder how she looked when she was 20 in Asari years ._. probably like a 10 year old or something.. weird
I'm only wondering because by the time I got to ME3 my Shep looked like he was almost getting to that point where he was considered old. I gave him a new haircut and everything (only cause they ruined the one I usually had)

This is a subject that comes up every now and then, but I just don't see the point in trying to pick a correct human age for Liara or for any other asari, because we simply can't. They're asari, not human, and the pure mathematical age ratio between human and asari years doesn't work either. I understand the idea behind wanting to know how old she would be in human years but those two things just can't be compared, the whole "age system" is different. So the way I see it, all this is pretty pointless.

Modifié par cohina, 01 août 2012 - 09:12 .

[Ravii]

JDee3 wrote...

How old do you think Liara is in human years? She looks like she could be 20 in the first game and in ME2+3 she looks like she could 22 to maybe 25

..I wonder how she looked when she was 20 in Asari years ._. probably like a 10 year old or something.. weird
I'm only wondering because by the time I got to ME3 my Shep looked like he was almost getting to that point where he was considered old. I gave him a new haircut and everything (only cause they ruined the one I usually had)

I believe the asari grow as fast and normal as we humans do and after they reached the adult stage they stop. I couldn't image myself that they look like a 10 year old kid in their twenties+. But thats just how I think and I have to agree with cohina.

Modifié par Ravii, 01 août 2012 - 09:14 .

[Promises]

JDee3 wrote...

How old do you think Liara is in human years? She looks like she could be 20 in the first game and in ME2+3 she looks like she could 22 to maybe 25

..I wonder how she looked when she was 20 in Asari years ._. probably like a 10 year old or something.. weird
I'm only wondering because by the time I got to ME3 my Shep looked like he was almost getting to that point where he was considered old. I gave him a new haircut and everything (only cause they ruined the one I usually had)

In ME1 i would estimate her 19/20 and in ME2/3 like 25.

[Arcataye]

Y3Y00 wrote...

Quite frankly, I doubt anyone would've chosen Destroy, had Shepard died in that ending, because it's the only appealing aspect. I mean, what's not to like about the omnipotent, almost omniscient new fancy Shepard?

This is how I see it, destroy is the only choice. I also expected Shepard to die in the end so it didn't have an impact on my choice.
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Also, go fill out the new survey of the Extended Cut. Better than the BSN surveys as it looks like Hudson and others will actually read the results like last time.

Modifié par Arcataye, 01 août 2012 - 09:16 .

[TheDonk95]

Alright this is probaby the biggest delay in the history, but here is my opinion and review about Thedoro's latest fan fiction.
Let me start out by saying that he is my favorite fan fiction writer, his stories are amazing, well written, beautiful, and his writings shows his knowledge about the Asari, Thessia, and Shepard and Liara's relationship. If you haven't read his stories yet, do it now.
Now about this fan fiction in praticular.
It is an amazing and really heart warming story, no doubt about that, but in my opinion, this is probably my least favorite of his work. (and that's saying that out of all of his 10/10 stories, this is about 8.5/10 in my opinion). I'll explain my thoughts.
The story start really good as usual, when he introduces us, the readers, to the theme and place that the story takes place in. This time it is when Liara and Shepard are having a trip at a forest in Thessia. Their daugher, as I recall, is being baby sitted, so she didn't came along with them.
Now, up untill the part when they entered this sort of relaxing pool, I really, really liked the story, as I do always. Everything was great, the conversations, the way Liara and Shepard are communicating, the way the scenery and the place they are having the trip at is being described, how beautiful and exotic the forest is, the animals... Just lovely.
Now don't get me wrong, as I said, the story is very good and beautiful im my opinion, but I think that the following part makes it a bit hard and not-as-fun to read, for me atleast.
There is no preticular reason for that, if you expected for one to be. Its just... I don't know. I know that Theodoro probably tried to do something good at this part, tried to make it special, and it worked! The part was special, it was something new, atleast as I saw it, but I think that atleast for me, it didn't work so well. I am not blaming him, I am blaming myself for not seeing this part as he wanted his readers to see it. The problem is that this part was just kind of wierd for me to read, I had to read it twice to figure out what is going on, and honestly, I didn't really understand what is going on. Maybe it is because it is quite difficult for me to understand english. I really loved though, when they started hugging while they were in the water, and they were sort of melding, I think? It was just very romantic for me. Just the part when they were swimming... I don't know. You probably don't even understand why I have a problem with this part, but to be honest, so do I. As I said, not something special, just the way that scene goes is kind of wierd for me.
Still, amazing story, lovely and romantic as always, with great dialogues and beautiful description of the enviroment. Theodoro did it again I really recommand this story, as well as his other ones. They are undoubtly, the stories that gives the best head canon for Liara and Shepard's life after the war. READ NOW.

http://t1.gstatic.co...epZUTJA66V8C9gQ

Modifié par TheDonk95, 01 août 2012 - 09:28 .