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[DevilBeast]

Jonata wrote...

I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

Modifié par DevilBeast, 08 août 2012 - 03:33 .

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Jonata wrote...

I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

The answers you get here will probably differ for most people, but I personally love her because she's loyal, caring, and overall she just has all the qualities a good friend should have, even if you don't romance her. She's not ridiculously complex like, say, Mordin, but she doesn't have to be, she's just a great supportive character. 

Added bonus: IMO, she's the most attractive character in the series.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 08 août 2012 - 03:41 .

[DOsquareZER]

@Jonata: Why did you like her in ME2 and LotSB? And why does it differ so much now - she really hasn't changed much between ME2 and 3... (other than the meta gaming perspective that BW made her shadow broker position nearly useless and/or open to head canon speculation as well as the whole repetitive "are you sure" conversations you have with her leading up until...*bites tongue* forget it...)

@ Raven Kesrar:  you want good femshep/Liara fanfics - Themarshal, blackdeer, PMC, FemshepSR2, Midnight Lion...( I know im missing some..)  all have some good ones up on fanfiction.net

Modifié par doozer12, 08 août 2012 - 03:56 .

[DevilBeast]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Jonata wrote...

I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

The answers you get here will probably differ for most people, but I personally love her because she's loyal, caring, and overall she just has all the qualities a good friend should have, even if you don't romance her. She's not ridiculously complex like, say, Mordin, but she doesn't have to be, she's just a great supportive character. 

Added bonus: IMO, she's the most attractive character in the series.

Everything Mister Snookie said.
Oh, and blue is my favorite color:D

Seriously, just look at those eyes!

Modifié par DevilBeast, 08 août 2012 - 03:51 .

[Yuqi]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I'm pretty sure it goes...

Loyal, with LOTSB: "I love you, Shepard."

Loyal, without LOTSB: "I love you, miss T'Soni."

First time romance in ME3, but romanced someone else in ME1 and 2: "I never thought we'd be together like this, Shepard...but I'm glad we are."

Liara in ME3 as the first romance you've ever done: "You're special, Liara. I want you to know that."

I might be wrong though.

Humn,  what about unloyal with LOTSB?

@Reven Kesrar
 There're some good ones,some meh ones,some wtf ones, and some cavity inducing ones. My reccomendations are, in no particular order:

Shadow-Play hungintons bride
Glacial Fire by owelpost
Pressure by midnightlion
Uncommen Bonds by tayg
Turnabout by spiritwolf71
A Thessians whisper (and its sequal) by  youknowwho

@crimsonN7
Yeah but TBF DefaultFshep does has a great A** in ME3.

[CrimsonN7]

DevilBeast wrote...

Jonata wrote...

I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

+1 on this, didn't we have a similar situation a few pages back with another poster coming in saying they flat out disliked Liara straight off the bat. *Shrugs* there are many characters I don't like myself for one reason or another but I don't go into their threads and diss em, pretty ballsy I'll give ya that, don't feel like canvasing tbh, like whoever you want. Maybe some others here will be more patient than me stay tuned:P

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Yuqi wrote...

Humn,  what about unloyal with LOTSB?

Hmm...not sure. I think Shepard just says "You're special Liara. I want you to know that."

[DOsquareZER]

Yuqi wrote...
@Reven Kesrar
 There're some good ones,some meh ones,some wtf ones, and some cavity inducing ones. My reccomendations are, in no particular order:

Shadow-Play hungintons bride
Glacial Fire by owelpost
Pressure by midnightlion
Uncommen Bonds by tayg
Turnabout by spiritwolf71
A Thessians whisper (and its sequal) by  youknowwho

*lists some random bookmarked ones I have that are god knows how old that Yuqi hasn't all ready listed...*

Sub Specie Aeternitatis by NQ Wilder (sequel to "all things pass")
Architect of the mind by Yoshiyuki Ly
Eternity's Last Embrace by Centauri2002
theres also the always popular Dark Energy series by Melaradark (im so behind on this one...)

[CrimsonN7]

Doozer you have some damn good taste in fanfiction, I loved NQ's pieces and Eternity's Last Embrace^_^, haven't read that other piece you got listed there by Yoshiyuki Ly, may check it out.

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 08 août 2012 - 04:20 .

[DOsquareZER]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Doozer you have some damn good taste in fanfiction, I loved NQ's pieces and Eternity's Last Embrace^_^, haven't read that other piece you got listed there by Yoshiyuki Ly, may check it out.

You read this one yet?
http://archiveofouro...chapters/811126
Just found it a little while ago...yes it has a little blue kiddo in it...but its all right.

Modifié par doozer12, 08 août 2012 - 05:24 .

[CrimsonN7]

doozer12 wrote...

You read this one yet?
http://archiveofouro...chapters/811126
Just found it a little while ago...yes it has a little blue kiddo in it...but its all right.

Lure me to a new fanfic with the promise of lil blue children, touche doozer, touche:D Oddly enough I haven't really read any fanfics with a maleshep, I dunno femshep is really ingrained in my head there, that's Shep for me I guess. Would be interesting to know if those who read fanfic here read primarily femshep/Liara or broshep/Liara pieces exclusively or maybe a mixture of both? Anyway I've only read a handful of fanfiction writers so far, kinda new to it but I'll check this out, cheers:wizard:

[Yuqi]

doozer12 wrote...

Yuqi wrote...
@Reven Kesrar
 There're some good ones,some meh ones,some wtf ones, and some cavity inducing ones. My reccomendations are, in no particular order:

Shadow-Play hungintons bride
Glacial Fire by owelpost
Pressure by midnightlion
Uncommen Bonds by tayg
Turnabout by spiritwolf71
A Thessians whisper (and its sequal) by  youknowwho

*lists some random bookmarked ones I have that are god knows how old that Yuqi hasn't all ready listed...*

Sub Specie Aeternitatis by NQ Wilder (sequel to "all things pass")
Architect of the mind by Yoshiyuki Ly
Eternity's Last Embrace by Centauri2002
theres also the always popular Dark Energy series by Melaradark (im so behind on this one...)

Yup they're all good too.

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Humn,  what about unloyal with LOTSB?

Hmm...not sure. I think Shepard just says "You're special Liara. I want you to know that."

Is it the one where Shepard says it first? Oh IDK. 
Is the romance evac scene the same for all scenarios? I'm just curious since I've only run through the evac scene three times.

Modifié par Yuqi, 08 août 2012 - 06:31 .

[Jonata]

DevilBeast wrote...

Jonata wrote...

I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

Dead serious, I can assure you that. I just finished Thessia (again) and I thought that I was on a rush to hate a character that has a lot of other sides. There is no trolling in my request.

Let me explain my position: during ME2 she was pretty much a supporting character, and she shine in her little spot. When BioWare gave her more space in Lair of the Shadow Broker, that DLC was absolutely amazing. So I wasn't against her as a perma-squadmate during ME3.

But when ME3 come out I just started meta-gaming, thinking about how many ME2 characters were left behind, and I hated on Liara and Tali so much that I just ignored their good sides and I think I'm not enjoying the game as it should be enjoyed. Liara is not a bad character, but It's difficult for me to just change an idea so I was just asking. 

Recently I read a great article about Synthesis and I started thinking differerently about the endings. I just wanted to do the same with characters. It can re-evaluate the entire ME experience.

Modifié par Jonata, 08 août 2012 - 06:39 .

[Arcataye]

@DevilBeast, what's up with the troll picture...? If you must, use this instead.

Jonata wrote...

I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

No. I can't summarize to you why you should consider her valuable and outstanding. If you don't like her, you don't like her. It's that simple. But I'll ask you, why did you start to hate her in ME3? Hate is a strong emotion. She didn't do anything bad to you or Shepard to justify the hate.

Jonata wrote...

But when ME3 come out I just started meta-gaming, thinking about how many ME2 characters were left behind, and I hated on Liara and Tali so much that I just ignored their good sides and I think I'm not enjoying the game as it should be enjoyed. Liara is not a bad character, but It's difficult for me to just change an idea so I was just asking.

But who should you blame? Whose "fault" is it? Liara or Tali?  No. BiowareEA?  Yes.

You're targeting your hate in the fictional characters instead of the people who made those fictional characters and decided what should be shown and what not. It's not like you're going to hate your friend who got a raise instead of your employer who didn't give you one.

The ME2 characters had no serious involvement in the progress of the story in ME3 (maybe they could have) so they didn't focus on them as much, saving money and time or whatever - who knows. Focused too much on getting Earth back using some space-magic blender.

Modifié par Arcataye, 08 août 2012 - 07:04 .

[DOsquareZER]

yup - arc has it summed up in a nutshell.
@Jonata:  Your anger and spite sounds misplaced. Its not Liara you hate, its bioware/ea for...biting off more then they could chew, choking on it, and proceeded to spit it all up in your face and call it a game. Dont let those buggers taint your views on a decent char - she doesn't deserve it.
I tried hating Vega for the same reasons... didn't work, and I realized I sounded idiotic in "voicing" my rage against him when really there was nothing about his char I actually hated.  (Ok lola i hated but that can be fixed in game, and even though I'm not really fond of his char - i don't really hate him for how bioware shoehorned him to appeal to new people that like to start stories at the end of a trilogy rather then the beginning I guess... buncha morons...)

CrimsonN7 wrote...
I dunno femshep is really ingrained in my head there, that's Shep for me I guess. Would be interesting to know if those who read fanfic here read primarily femshep/Liara or broshep/Liara pieces exclusively or maybe a mixture of both?

There are very few manshep/Liara stories I read - knowing only one language (dabbling with a second), and haunted by Meer's shepards voice whenever I read them deters me a bit (nothing against the author, just a silly little obstacle I have to overcome sooner or later...). Or maybe its because in my head maleshep belongs to ash ehehehe ionno.  Im definately a pro- femshep/liara if the author is decent, though - my favorties bin is populated by a fair few stories for the pairing.

Modifié par doozer12, 08 août 2012 - 08:24 .

[lillitheris]

Raven Kesrar wrote...

Hi, can anybody point me into some good Liara-Femshep fanfic <3

See the first link in my signature for a big list. There’s lots of FShep/Liara there, labeled as such.

Also helps to know a little about what you‘re looking for? Some are pure fluff, some smutty, some angsty…? The setting, too; there’s lots of ME1-3 retellings, some AU, post-ending…?

“Unity” is my story. It’s post-ending and “Gritty, sciency, often funny or teary, sometimes sexy,” if you’re into that kind of thing.

Modifié par lillitheris, 08 août 2012 - 07:46 .

[Yuqi]

@Jonata

Ahhhhhh

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you by chance; someone who started at ME2? If so then I'd haphazard a guess that your more attached to the ME2 crew.

[JDee3]

Am I the only one that ever gets the feeling most people who completely hate on ME3 as a game and the fact that ME2 squad mates aren't involved too much are people who didn't play ME1?.. AH whatever. To me if you didn't play ME1.. I just don't see how you can enjoy the series to the full extent

Anyways just caught up on this thread. Aethyta looks more like what she does in ME2 minus the make up when you drink the mystery drink.. or take too many shots. Why this is.. I have no idea. Wasn't a fan of the ME2 look but she looks too young in ME3

Modifié par JDee3, 08 août 2012 - 08:31 .

[Dragon_Claw]

Raven Kesrar wrote...

Hi, can anybody point me into some good Liara-Femshep fanfic <3
 
thanks
 

Fluff or something more "mature"?  

[JayPlays]

Jonata wrote...

I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

Did you play ME1? In ME2 Liara's character changed drastically, we can attribute this to stress from looking for the Shadow Broker. During ME2 Liara was much more, confident, tenacious, and hardened than what she was in ME1. In Mass Effect 3 BioWare seem to have struck a nice balance between Liaras information broker side, and her awkward cute scientist side. Maybe that change in character put you off her? 

[Dragon_Claw]

JayPlays wrote...

Jonata wrote...

I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

Did you play ME1? In ME2 Liara's character changed drastically, we can attribute this to stress from looking for the Shadow Broker. During ME2 Liara was much more, confident, tenacious, and hardened than what she was in ME1. In Mass Effect 3 BioWare seem to have struck a nice balance between Liaras information broker side, and her awkward cute scientist side. Maybe that change in character put you off her? 

Or in short:

[JDee3]

If you guys haven't noticed I really like posting fan art of Liara.. and something in my gut tells me a top of the page is coming. If I'm right I'll post.. 5 more Liara pictures I haven't seen here in an edit .. if I'm wrong I shall save them for another occassion 

Anyways I have no FemShep fanfics or any FemSheps in game so here's this instead :]

It Started With a Kiss by *Fearnie84 on deviantART

EDIT:
Damn.. didn't get top. Oh well, guess I'll just keep these saved

Modifié par JDee3, 08 août 2012 - 08:42 .

[JayPlays]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

JayPlays wrote...

Jonata wrote...

I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

Did you play ME1? In ME2 Liara's character changed drastically, we can attribute this to stress from looking for the Shadow Broker. During ME2 Liara was much more, confident, tenacious, and hardened than what she was in ME1. In Mass Effect 3 BioWare seem to have struck a nice balance between Liaras information broker side, and her awkward cute scientist side. Maybe that change in character put you off her? 

Or in short:

I think that sums up Liara quite nicely She's been an amazing character though in terms of progression, the way she has changed through each game has been pretty impressive!

Modifié par JayPlays, 08 août 2012 - 08:43 .

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

The only thing I don't like about the above picture is how eerily similar that FemShep looks to Kristen Stewart...

EDIT: Bah, topless. 

 

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 08 août 2012 - 08:46 .

[Arcataye]

JDee3 wrote...

To me if you didn't play ME1.. I just don't see how you can enjoy the series to the full extent

Heh, exactly. The WiiU ME3 has a comic to cover 1 & 2 but selecting choices (especially something like LI) without any personal investment feels damn wrong to me. It's just those little things that make the series great, not solving the Reaper threat without even knowing what happens to the characters that you actually care about - like they did originally without the EC.


Maybe they're already planning on ME4 (or four hundred DLC packs) as they're bothering to use money to create the WiiU version after this long time when all the fans have already bought the game. As it was said, ME3 is designed to be a great starting point to the series.

Modifié par Arcataye, 08 août 2012 - 08:50 .