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To me if you didn't play ME1.. I just don't see how you can enjoy the series to the full extent

Heh, exactly. The WiiU ME3 has a comic to cover 1 & 2 but selecting choices (especially something like LI) without any personal investment feels damn wrong to me. It's just those little things that make the series great, not solving the Reaper threat without even knowing what happens to the characters that you actually care about - like they did originally without the EC.

Wii users won't get the same experience playing ME3 as a stand alone game, regardless of what decisions they make in the comics. There's nothing like actually playing Mass Effect and investing yourself in all of the awesome characters.

Liara for Smash Bros anyone? :P

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You know...how is that comic going to work for the Suicide Mission in ME2?

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You know...how is that comic going to work for the Suicide Mission in ME2?

1. It asks if Shepard survived the mission. If not, Reaper win cinematic + credits roll. If yes, you get screen 2.
2. A list of characters that you can checkbox to keep them alive. Added Liara to the list of possible casualties to boost sales because of popular demand.
:mellow::P

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You know...how is that comic going to work for the Suicide Mission in ME2?


If they kill anyone by default I would assume it to be Jack, Jacob and Samara..and Thane...and anyone else who didn't have that big of a role in ME3

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Arcataye wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

You know...how is that comic going to work for the Suicide Mission in ME2?

1. It asks if Shepard survived the mission. If not, Reaper win cinematic + credits roll. If yes, you get screen 2.
2. A list of characters that you can checkbox to keep them alive. Added Liara to the list of possible casualities to boost sales due to popular demand.
:mellow::P


I would totally check off Jacob as the only survivor just for the lulz.


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If they kill anyone by default I would assume it to be Jack, Jacob and Samara..and Thane...and anyone else who didn't have that big of a role in ME3


Yeah...that seems likely. Another reason I don't see the purpose of the Wii U version, you'll be getting a cut down version of the game.

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I would totally check off Jacob as the only survivor just for the lulz.

Priority: Mars

Shepard: Jacob? What are you doing here?
Jacob: Hackett ordered me to dig through these archives, I don't know why he thought I'd find anything.
Jacob: But anyways, I found this scientist girl and let her help me. Heavy risk... but the prize.
Shepard: What?
Jacob: She found the plans for some huge machine. She also makes great coffee...

Or hey, Kaidan might be better.

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Or hey, Kaidan might be better.


:lol:

I don't think I'm ever going to look at Kaidan the same way again.

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Or hey, Kaidan might be better.


Creepy. :blink:

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Arcataye wrote...

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To me if you didn't play ME1.. I just don't see how you can enjoy the series to the full extent

Heh, exactly. The WiiU ME3 has a comic to cover 1 & 2 but selecting choices (especially something like LI) without any personal investment feels damn wrong to me. It's just those little things that make the series great, not solving the Reaper threat without even knowing what happens to the characters that you actually care about - like they did originally without the EC.


Maybe they're already planning on ME4 (or four hundred DLC packs) as they're bothering to use money to create the WiiU version after this long time when all the fans have already bought the game. As it was said, ME3 is designed to be a great starting point to the series.


I'm a believer in an ME4 game being planned.. how will they do it after the endings and the different options that are actually very different from each other.. I have no idea, I'm assuming/hoping the DLCs will lead us into something new like ME2 did. I'm interested and fighting the makers of the reapers

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Am I the only one that ever gets the feeling most people who completely hate on ME3 as a game and the fact that ME2 squad mates aren't involved too much are people who didn't play ME1?.. AH whatever. To me if you didn't play ME1.. I just don't see how you can enjoy the series to the full extent

Anyways just caught up on this thread. Aethyta looks more like what she does in ME2 minus the make up when you drink the mystery drink.. or take too many shots. Why this is.. I have no idea. Wasn't a fan of the ME2 look but she looks too young in ME3



Uhhh....I sstarted with ME2...

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Yuqi wrote...

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Am I the only one that ever gets the feeling most people who completely hate on ME3 as a game and the fact that ME2 squad mates aren't involved too much are people who didn't play ME1?.. AH whatever. To me if you didn't play ME1.. I just don't see how you can enjoy the series to the full extent

Anyways just caught up on this thread. Aethyta looks more like what she does in ME2 minus the make up when you drink the mystery drink.. or take too many shots. Why this is.. I have no idea. Wasn't a fan of the ME2 look but she looks too young in ME3



Uhhh....I sstarted with ME2...


Yeah but I've never read anything with you hating on the game.. but you still felt a connection with Liara on your first playthrough o.O?
Wait that means your playthrough didn't have Wrex right? By the goddess.. I just can't imagine not having that reunion with Wrex and relief that Archangle was Garrus

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I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

Looking at your profile, you obviously played the ME series on the PS3. As others have already guessed, this means you missed out on ME1, probably permanently affecting your perception of the characters.

I think this is most obvious in the difference between your and our views on Liara - where you see her as a supporting character based on ME2 (even with LotSB), we here view her as an absolutely crucial character, both to our Shepards and in the context of the trilogy. Your experience with her started with some little dialogue in ME2 which only hinted that she's supposed to be important to Shepard; we on the other hand played through a whole game that fleshed out her character and her relationship with Shepard.

So when it came to ME3 you felt that she took over a place on the squad that could otherwise have been filled by a ME2 character, preferably one of your favourites or even your LI. I think that's understandable, you would obviously have felt more connected to characters that were with you through the whole of ME2, through their recruitment and loyalty missions, their inter- and intra-mission dialogues, the suicide mission, etc. As good as LotSB was, it just can't compare to the whole of ME2 in terms of emotional engagement (well, for us Liara fans it does, but certainly not for someone who never properly knew Liara before).
But for us, after falling in love with her character way back in ME1, dealing with her estrangement in vanilla ME2, rejoicing at eventual reconciliation in LotSB... we were obviously thrilled to have her back in ME3 as a full-time squadmate. She wasn't dislodging our favourite ME2 character, she was our favourite character, finally taking back her place at Shepard's side.

So, tl;dr, the main issue is you didn't play ME1 and so got a completely different impression on characters, felt more attached to ME2 squadmates than to the old ME1 ones.
Other than going back and playing at least ME1 (and preferably the whole trilogy with the same imported Shepard) I don't really see what else to suggest to you. And even that might not do, as your impressions would still be influenced by your previous experience with ME2/3.

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Yuqi wrote...

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Am I the only one that ever gets the feeling most people who completely hate on ME3 as a game and the fact that ME2 squad mates aren't involved too much are people who didn't play ME1?.. AH whatever. To me if you didn't play ME1.. I just don't see how you can enjoy the series to the full extent

Anyways just caught up on this thread. Aethyta looks more like what she does in ME2 minus the make up when you drink the mystery drink.. or take too many shots. Why this is.. I have no idea. Wasn't a fan of the ME2 look but she looks too young in ME3



Uhhh....I sstarted with ME2...


So did I, and ME1 is still the game for me that completely blew me away and made me to fall in love with the series and with this one blue girl especially, and it's still my favourite game of the trilogy, despite the fact that I had played ME2 first. ^_^ But I think JDee3 mostly meant people who had hopped aboard in ME2 and did not play ME1 at all, in any point, unlike you and me, Yuqi.

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Gah...now I'm feeling nostalgic. I played ME1 before ME2 was even announced...I can still remember all those feels when I thought my Shepard died at the end of the game. :(

I really can't imagine playing the series without ME1. The emotional impact just...wouldn't be there.

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cohina wrote...
But I think JDee3 mostly meant people who had hopped aboard in ME2 and did not play ME1 at all, in any point, unlike you and me, Yuqi.


lol yeah this is what I meant =]

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Gah...now I'm feeling nostalgic. I played ME1 before ME2 was even announced...I can still remember all those feels when I thought my Shepard died at the end of the game. :(

I really can't imagine playing the series without ME1. The emotional impact just...wouldn't be there.


Exactly. HA oh man I remember the end of ME1 was one of the only times I was playing a game and got really into the story and then jumped out of my seat and was like F yeah! Then I thought I had to play it again because I wasn't aware I had skipped so much. I honestly didn't even know if there was going to be an ME2 after that game till I saw a teaser of Shepard dead and Legion standing over him

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Yeah, this anime Liara toy sucks!

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^ I'm still waiting for them to make a Liara statue in the style of this:

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Yeah, this anime Liara toy sucks!

*burns picture and toy*


That's not Liara.. that's an imposter in her outfit
you'd think they have so many ME characters they could find someone else to do that to.. like ashley.. she could use a new face. The model they used for her face pretty.. but they really messed it up somehow and her hair even in the cinematics looks weird to me. She could use a toy her in some sexual pose 
sorry to all the Ashley lovers but they should've kept her original look with her normal lips and cool visor
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SergeantSnookie wrote...

Gah...now I'm feeling nostalgic. I played ME1 before ME2 was even announced...I can still remember all those feels when I thought my Shepard died at the end of the game. :(


That was so cheesy-awesome there are no words.

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lillitheris wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Gah...now I'm feeling nostalgic. I played ME1 before ME2 was even announced...I can still remember all those feels when I thought my Shepard died at the end of the game. :(


That was so cheesy-awesome there are no words.


Indeed.

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I started with ME2, too and bought ME1 for Liara. The first time playing ME2, I felt that Liara was the only one who was genuinly happy to see my Shepard.
And ME2 was 50% more awesome, when I imported my first Shepard.

But ME1 is my least favourite of the series, since I'm a huge Kotor fan.

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Jonata wrote...

I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

Looking at your profile, you obviously played the ME series on the PS3. As others have already guessed, this means you missed out on ME1, probably permanently affecting your perception of the characters.

I think this is most obvious in the difference between your and our views on Liara - where you see her as a supporting character based on ME2 (even with LotSB), we here view her as an absolutely crucial character, both to our Shepards and in the context of the trilogy. Your experience with her started with some little dialogue in ME2 which only hinted that she's supposed to be important to Shepard; we on the other hand played through a whole game that fleshed out her character and her relationship with Shepard.

So when it came to ME3 you felt that she took over a place on the squad that could otherwise have been filled by a ME2 character, preferably one of your favourites or even your LI. I think that's understandable, you would obviously have felt more connected to characters that were with you through the whole of ME2, through their recruitment and loyalty missions, their inter- and intra-mission dialogues, the suicide mission, etc. As good as LotSB was, it just can't compare to the whole of ME2 in terms of emotional engagement (well, for us Liara fans it does, but certainly not for someone who never properly knew Liara before).
But for us, after falling in love with her character way back in ME1, dealing with her estrangement in vanilla ME2, rejoicing at eventual reconciliation in LotSB... we were obviously thrilled to have her back in ME3 as a full-time squadmate. She wasn't dislodging our favourite ME2 character, she was our favourite character, finally taking back her place at Shepard's side.


Well said, that was quite eloquently spoken.

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kumquats wrote...

I started with ME2, too and bought ME1 for Liara. The first time playing ME2, I felt that Liara was the only one who was genuinly happy to see my Shepard.
And ME2 was 50% more awesome, when I imported my first Shepard.

But ME1 is my least favourite of the series, since I'm a huge Kotor fan.


I don't get it :/ what's KOTOR got to do with ME1?
KOTOR was the reason I got ME1. I was bored one day, had some money, was in need of a new and good story, saw that ME1 was suggested for people who liked KOTOR and I got it without ever evn seeing a trailer

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 Should I be ashamed that I never played KOTOR? The only BioWare game I've played other than DA:O and ME is Jade Empire, and a little bit of Baldur's Gate... :?

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SergeantSnookie wrote...

 Should I be ashamed that I never played KOTOR? The only BioWare game I've played other than DA:O and ME is Jade Empire, and a little bit of Baldur's Gate... :?


The only Bioware game I played is Mass Effect, so I would say no you shouldn't. ;) I'm a big Star Wars fan too but I never go the chance to play KotoR.