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[JayPlays]

Mumba1511 wrote...

JayPlays wrote...

I saw a thread the other day where somebody was saying that FemSheps relationship with Liara seems unnatural. I've always played Sheploo (I personally don't like Jennifer Hales voice work), but I wanted to know what everyone else's opinion on femshep/liara is.

Iv'e kinda had similar thoughts (I'm extremely gay friendly btw) but Liara always struck me as a woman who needs a man in her life. Whenever iv'e played Femshep and romanced Liara, it doesn't feel like they have the same chemistry on the level of a Maleshep who romanced Liara. I wish I had a better way of explaining my thoughts but my English vocab only goes so far. 

That's a fair point. I've watched femshep/liara romance videos, and I don't really feel the same level of personality compatibility as I do with broshep/liara, I suppose it all comes down to personal interpetitation though. Also, you speak very good English, don't worry 

[CrimsonN7]

frudi wrote...

Jonata wrote...

I started a personal BSN journey to understand Liara, a character that I started hating with the ME3 release but that I want to look at with the eyes I've had back in ME2 and LotSB. (I really liked the character back then)

Can one of you Liara Fans kindly summarize for me, with as few words as possible, why Liara should be considered a valuable and outstanding character in ME3?

Thank you for your time.

Looking at your profile, you obviously played the ME series on the PS3. As others have already guessed, this means you missed out on ME1, probably permanently affecting your perception of the characters.

I think this is most obvious in the difference between your and our views on Liara - where you see her as a supporting character based on ME2 (even with LotSB), we here view her as an absolutely crucial character, both to our Shepards and in the context of the trilogy. Your experience with her started with some little dialogue in ME2 which only hinted that she's supposed to be important to Shepard; we on the other hand played through a whole game that fleshed out her character and her relationship with Shepard.

So when it came to ME3 you felt that she took over a place on the squad that could otherwise have been filled by a ME2 character, preferably one of your favourites or even your LI. I think that's understandable, you would obviously have felt more connected to characters that were with you through the whole of ME2, through their recruitment and loyalty missions, their inter- and intra-mission dialogues, the suicide mission, etc. As good as LotSB was, it just can't compare to the whole of ME2 in terms of emotional engagement (well, for us Liara fans it does, but certainly not for someone who never properly knew Liara before).
But for us, after falling in love with her character way back in ME1, dealing with her estrangement in vanilla ME2, rejoicing at eventual reconciliation in LotSB... we were obviously thrilled to have her back in ME3 as a full-time squadmate. She wasn't dislodging our favourite ME2 character, she was our favourite character, finally taking back her place at Shepard's side.

So, tl;dr, the main issue is you didn't play ME1 and so got a completely different impression on characters, felt more attached to ME2 squadmates than to the old ME1 ones.
Other than going back and playing at least ME1 (and preferably the whole trilogy with the same imported Shepard) I don't really see what else to suggest to you. And even that might not do, as your impressions would still be influenced by your previous experience with ME2/3.

Well said Frudi, for me I first played ME1 on my lil sis' Xbox, played it a few times but since I don't live at home anymore I play Mass Effect on my flatmate's PS3, kinda want to get a second-hand Xbox now just to play it again as it's been a very very long time since I played it. Maybe when I'm back in funds again I'll purchase an Xbox but for the time being I'll stick with my PS3 versions. To get the choices I wanted from the first game I used the dlc comic choice strip, it's better than starting a new Shep on the PS3 with the default choices which are terrible.<_< For this reason of not owning an Xbox I've played ME2 and ME3 many many times more than the original but my mind was made up with the choices I wanted to be carried over to the second game from playing ME1 even though I played it only a handful of times in the past;)

[mumba]

Crimson, I must know. Where do you find these Perfectly fitting Gifs?

[cohina]

JayPlays wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

JayPlays wrote...

I saw a thread the other day where somebody was saying that FemSheps relationship with Liara seems unnatural. I've always played Sheploo (I personally don't like Jennifer Hales voice work), but I wanted to know what everyone else's opinion on femshep/liara is.

Iv'e kinda had similar thoughts (I'm extremely gay friendly btw) but Liara always struck me as a woman who needs a man in her life. Whenever iv'e played Femshep and romanced Liara, it doesn't feel like they have the same chemistry on the level of a Maleshep who romanced Liara. I wish I had a better way of explaining my thoughts but my English vocab only goes so far. 

That's a fair point. I've watched femshep/liara romance videos, and I don't really feel the same level of personality compatibility as I do with broshep/liara, I suppose it all comes down to personal interpetitation though. Also, you speak very good English, don't worry 

Maybe the fact that it's not your Shepard in the video, no matter if it's male or female Shepard, is the thing that makes it less emotional to you, and makes you feel less attached to it? I'm not sure if it's possible to really give any comment on that matter, before playing Liara romance arc with both Shepards. And yes I'm a male Shep player myself.

[Mavqt]

I'm the same as some of you, just the other way around.

I couldn't get immersed with Mark Meer's voice, which is why I play femshep.

However I don't agree with Mumba on this. "Liara always struck me as a woman who needs a man in her life." I don't want to say it, but I will. This is fairly sexist towards woman, since both fem and bro Sheps are the same really, just one has breasts and the other has... you know.

Not going to go on, since I don't want to rant.

[JayPlays]

mavqt wrote...

I'm the same as some of you, just the other way around.

I couldn't get immersed with Mark Meer's voice, which is why I play femshep.

However I don't agree with Mumba on this. "Liara always struck me as a woman who needs a man in her life." I don't want to say it, but I will. This is fairly sexist towards woman, since both fem and bro Sheps are the same really, just one has breasts and the other has... you know.

Not going to go on, since I don't want to rant.

Femsheps and brosheps scripts are almost identicle, but it's really quite amazing how much of an influance their voices have. Mark and Jeniffer to me make the 2 Shepard feel so... different.

[Dragon_Claw]

Jane & Liara together just seems right...

[DevilBeast]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

The only thing I don't like about the above picture is how eerily similar that FemShep looks to Kristen Stewart...

LOL:lol: Nice to see I´m not the only one who see the resemblance.

[mumba]

mavqt wrote...
However I don't agree with Mumba on this. "Liara always struck me as a woman who needs a man in her life." I don't want to say it, but I will. This is fairly sexist towards woman, since both fem and bro Sheps are the same really, just one has breasts and the other has... you know.

I don't see how what I said is sexist, because it isn't. But saying that Femshep and Maleshep are nearly the same is incorrect. Why? Because one is Male and one is Female. Men and Women don't think identically like you seem to think. 
Now when I say that Liara needs a man in her life, that's completely opinionated and not sexist in the slightest way possible. 

[CrimsonN7]

JayPlays wrote...

I saw a thread the other day where somebody was saying that FemSheps relationship with Liara seems unnatural. I've always played Sheploo (I personally don't like Jennifer Hales voice work), but I wanted to know what everyone else's opinion on femshep/liara is.

Oh this ain't gonna end well. That is prime rib troll bait right there from that poster of that thread.<_< We're all friends here don't want to see a broshep/femshep flame war here. We all got our individual preferences for why we like Bro or Fem Shep, don't people realise that asari have no preference over the two sexes as homosexuality and hetrosexuality is a foreign concept to them, it has no meaning amongst their people! These kinds of threads get outta hand quick, are pretty offence in general and are immature, we're better than that. The great thing about Liara is she's an option for both Shep's, one isn't more worthy or deserving over the other, both are great in their own ways. 

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 08 août 2012 - 03:41 .

[JayPlays]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

JayPlays wrote...

I saw a thread the other day where somebody was saying that FemSheps relationship with Liara seems unnatural. I've always played Sheploo (I personally don't like Jennifer Hales voice work), but I wanted to know what everyone else's opinion on femshep/liara is.

Oh this ain't gonna end well. That is prime rib troll bait right there from that poster of that thread.<_< We're all friends here don't want to see a broshep/femshep flame war here. We all got our individual preferences for why we like Bro of Fem Shep, don't people realise that asari have no preference over the two sexes as homosexuality and hetrosexuality is a foreign concept to them, it has no meaning amongst their people. These kinds of threads get outta hand quick, are pretty offence in general and are immature, we're better than that. The great thing about Liara is she's an option for both Shep's, one isn't more worthy or deserving over the other, both are great in their own ways. 

Admittedly that poster was troll baiting. It's not the fact that he asked the question, it's how and where he asked it. I chose my words more carefully, didn't mean to cause any problems :L However, I think the question in itself is a valid one. I like the way you look at it though, I suppose Liara looks at broshep and femshep differently not because of their gender, but because of their individual personalitites. 

[Dragon_Claw]

mavqt wrote...

I'm the same as some of you, just the other way around.

I couldn't get immersed with Mark Meer's voice, which is why I play femshep.

However I don't agree with Mumba on this. "Liara always struck me as a woman who needs a man in her life." I don't want to say it, but I will. This is fairly sexist towards woman, since both fem and bro Sheps are the same really, just one has breasts and the other has... you know.

Not going to go on, since I don't want to rant.

Seriously man, just because Mumba feels something that´s right to him, dosen´t justify you labeling him as a sexist.

You are yelling fire, when there is none...

[Arcataye]

JayPlays wrote...

I wanted to know what everyone else's opinion on femshep/liara is.

Canon.

Modifié par Arcataye, 08 août 2012 - 03:49 .

[DevilBeast]

Mumba1511 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...
LOL:lol: He/she asks for femshep/Liara fanfics and you give him/her five maleshep/Liara ones.

Meh, don't see much of a difference between male/femal Shepard anyway.

You don´t?? Then what was that comment about maleshep being better than femshep for Liara all about??

Besides, if a person asks for a strawberry shake you don´t give them chocolate=]

[mumba]

JayPlays wrote...
Admittedly that poster was troll baiting. It's not the fact that he asked the question, it's how and where he asked it. I chose my words more carefully, didn't mean to cause any problems :L However, I think the question in itself is a valid one. I like the way you look at it though, I suppose Liara looks at broshep and femshep differently not because of their gender, but because of their individual personalitites. 

I don't see anything wrong with this question. It's a completely valid question that shouldn't end up in a debate. if people are sensative about a subject like this, then don't touch it. 

[DOsquareZER]

Arcataye wrote...

JayPlays wrote...

I wanted to know what everyone else's opinion on femshep/liara is.

Canon.

+1  *grins wide*

Also: Liara needs a "Shepard" in her life, man/woman - who the frack cares.  Although Im curious why she needs a "man" in her life (being an asari and constantly surrounded by a mono-gendered species i think need is the wrong word eh)... is she too feminine?  Weak? or maybe you mean experimental value as she's more familiar with how fa emale minds work, but not male? (im reaching, feel free to correct me) or whats the logic behind that statment.  Not mad or anything, just curious lol feel free to PM it if posting makes you feel uncomfortable.

Modifié par doozer12, 08 août 2012 - 03:57 .

[DevilBeast]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

mavqt wrote...

I'm the same as some of you, just the other way around.

I couldn't get immersed with Mark Meer's voice, which is why I play femshep.

However I don't agree with Mumba on this. "Liara always struck me as a woman who needs a man in her life." I don't want to say it, but I will. This is fairly sexist towards woman, since both fem and bro Sheps are the same really, just one has breasts and the other has... you know.

Not going to go on, since I don't want to rant.

Seriously man, just because Mumba feels something that´s right to him, dosen´t justify you labeling him as a sexist.

You are yelling fire, when there is none...

Mumba is basically saying that a certain woman needs a man in her life. He/she might not have meant it as sexist, but it´s not difficult for someone to interpret it as such.

Modifié par DevilBeast, 08 août 2012 - 03:52 .

[mumba]

DevilBeast wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...
LOL:lol: He/she asks for femshep/Liara fanfics and you give him/her five maleshep/Liara ones.

Meh, don't see much of a difference between male/femal Shepard anyway.

You don´t?? Then what was that comment about maleshep being better than femshep for Liara all about??

Besides, if a person asks for a strawberry shake you don´t give them chocolate=]

I was talking about in a fanfic scenario, lol all you have to do is replace he with her. Problem solved. 

[JayPlays]

DevilBeast wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...
LOL:lol: He/she asks for femshep/Liara fanfics and you give him/her five maleshep/Liara ones.

Meh, don't see much of a difference between male/femal Shepard anyway.

You don´t?? Then what was that comment about maleshep being better than femshep for Liara all about??

Besides, if a person asks for a strawberry shake you don´t give them chocolate=]

Chocolate or strawberry? Both equally delcicious. A tough choice you present us with 

[Ravii]

JayPlays wrote...

I saw a thread the other day where somebody was saying that FemSheps relationship with Liara seems unnatural. I've always played Sheploo (I personally don't like Jennifer Hales voice work), but I wanted to know what everyone else's opinion on femshep/liara is.

The first time I played the trilogy as male Shep because I was not abig fan of Femshep. But after I played the trilogy with Femshep I started to love her even more and more. For the romance, the Maleshep/Liara seemed to me the most normal because I'm male and straight (don't get me wrong, gay relationship is normal/natural too ) . After I saw the Femshep/Liara romance I was like, OK this is it. For me Femshep/Liara have a much more deeper connection and understanding for each other than Broshep/Liara. They both harmonize on a much closer level in my opinion. So in the end I'm a only and forever Femshep and Liara romancer.


Damn Firefox -.- I was nearly done writing and it updated the page on its own. I had to write the hole thing again and was brainstorming like crazy to remember what I wrote.<_<

Modifié par Ravii, 08 août 2012 - 03:57 .

[Mavqt]

Mumba1511 wrote...

mavqt wrote...
However I don't agree with Mumba on this. "Liara always struck me as a woman who needs a man in her life." I don't want to say it, but I will. This is fairly sexist towards woman, since both fem and bro Sheps are the same really, just one has breasts and the other has... you know.

I don't see how what I said is sexist, because it isn't. But saying that Femshep and Maleshep are nearly the same is incorrect. Why? Because one is Male and one is Female. Men and Women don't think identically like you seem to think. 
Now when I say that Liara needs a man in her life, that's completely opinionated and not sexist in the slightest way possible. 

I didn't say it's totally sexist, only fairly, like borderline.

I didn't say they are the 100% the same in the way you're implying. I was getting at the characters (fem/bro) are basically the same. Their lines, emotion in which they speak their lines, as well as other mannerisms are nearly
the same. Maybe I should of wrote everything I wanted to.

However I still don't understand why you think Liara needs a 'man' in her life. I know it's your opinion but woman can fill that role just as well as broshep. Not every man is manly and not every girl is girly.

I didn't mean to sound rude, so if I did, I'm sorry.

[DevilBeast]

Mumba1511 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...
LOL:lol: He/she asks for femshep/Liara fanfics and you give him/her five maleshep/Liara ones.

Meh, don't see much of a difference between male/femal Shepard anyway.

You don´t?? Then what was that comment about maleshep being better than femshep for Liara all about??

Besides, if a person asks for a strawberry shake you don´t give them chocolate=]

I was talking about in a fanfic scenario, lol all you have to do is replace he with her. Problem solved. 

Hehe, depends on how people write Shepard. There can be a difference between a male and a female one.

Besides, it would look somewhat awkward if the writer described maleshep wearing a dress, when infiltrating that party at Berkenstein with Kasumi:lol:

[Mavqt]

doozer12 wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

JayPlays wrote...

I wanted to know what everyone else's opinion on femshep/liara is.

Canon.

+1  *grins wide*

Also: Liara needs a "Shepard" in her life, man/woman - who the frack cares.  Although Im curious why she needs a "man" in her life (being an asari and constantly surrounded by a mono-gendered species i think need is the wrong word eh)... is she too feminine?  Weak? or maybe you mean experimental value as she's more familiar with how female minds work, but not male? or whats the logic behind that statment.  Not mad or anything, just curious lol feel free to PM it if posting makes you feel uncomfortable.

This is what I was thinking. Just my wording came over rude.

[mumba]

DevilBeast wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...
LOL:lol: He/she asks for femshep/Liara fanfics and you give him/her five maleshep/Liara ones.

Meh, don't see much of a difference between male/femal Shepard anyway.

You don´t?? Then what was that comment about maleshep being better than femshep for Liara all about??

Besides, if a person asks for a strawberry shake you don´t give them chocolate=]

I was talking about in a fanfic scenario, lol all you have to do is replace he with her. Problem solved. 

Hehe, depends on how people write Shepard. There can be a difference between a male and a female one.

Besides, it would look somewhat awkward if the writer described maleshep wearing a dress, when infiltrating that party at Berkenstein with Kasumi:lol:

*Horrible image of Default Shep in tight black dress* Oh god...