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[Han Shot First]

[Ravii]

Yea, sorry guys I always forget to post the artist or I'm too lazy hehe. But Snookie already posted it. So here is my thanks.

Han Shot First wrote...

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

*snip*

Love this one.

+1

Modifié par Ravii, 15 août 2012 - 04:40 .

[moreeman06]

doozer12 wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...


I doubt the alliance would let another person other than Shepard command the Normandy. Probably when Shepard retires the Normandy gets retired.

A player can head canon anything they like of course, but it wouldn't work that way if the Alliance even remotely resembles a real world military.

I can't imagine the Alliance would be willing to part with a frigate that represents the state of the art of both human and Turian military engineering, and likely costs the equivalent of billions of dollars. 

Thats not true. And the Normandy SR2 isn't an alliance ship, Cerberus built it. They don't even have the right to take that ship. And if it have been that way the alliance would have took the SR1 from the planet that it crashed.

The ship is not shepard's either then, never has been.  So why should she or he have the right to keep it?  The only people that have put money into her (the normandy) is cerberus and the alliance.   Closest thing we have to ownership there - unless Shep want's to start contributing (without reimbursement after every mission), oooh or maybe Liara can buy and sponsor her, SB needs a new ship right?  Liaras the new ''CO'', oh the fun she could have... *grins* or maybe she'd just be the new Inara onboard the mass effect version of firefly *shrugs* lol Edit: had to find the image:

by ErothBlackDragon @ deviantart

Anyways,  I'm not a fan of the idea of militaries giving away highly advanced warships/frigates/vessels and sensitive military equitment as trophies (unless theyre incredibly obsolete and gutted), or relying on the galaxies charity because Shepard saved them all (even though they cant really afford it) - but thats just me.  Everyone's head canon differs im sure though.

Well I would just like to say that Shepard could keep it as long as he agrees to a ambassadorial role for either the council or Alliance although i thought it was said that EDI is the Normandy in which case wouldn't that be slavery which is illegal in council space or do AI's not count as people.  *Imagines EDI revolting against the Alliance hijacking vessel's and slagging planets*:devil::devil:

[H4nniba11]

To whoever made either of  these 2: I owe you a drink.
And about Shepard's ownership to Normandy: Renegade Shepard doesen't ask permission, Renegade Shepard takes. I doubt the Alliance could just arrest the saviour of the galaxy without raising a horrible ****storm in public. Besides Normandy has one of the best minig equipment of the galaxy along with refining equipment so I'm pretty sure it could be modified to be self-sufficient (if not I'm pretty sure quarians would give you pretty good discount after saving their homeplanet). However I don't think Shepard would do much with the normandy, but to SB it might come in handy.
P.S  Thanks for answering to all of my questions!

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

d32f123 wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

TheCrimsonSpire wrote...

Ravii wrote...


*Snip*

I'm also curious to know where this is from. Who is the artist, and is there a larger version of this photo? It really is a magnificant piece.

Bah-hah! I found it: 

den1ke.deviantart.com/#/d54wlus

I would totally buy this as well. 

Even more favourite than this one? 

*Snip*

That one is pretty awesome too, but there's just something about the expression here...

 

Maybe it's dem eyes. 

[DOsquareZER]

@Moree

EDI is the Normandy

ohooo, hahaha naaaah dont make me go there! lol that's reaaaaalllly open to debate. many levels of non liara debate.

Modifié par doozer12, 15 août 2012 - 07:03 .

[d32f123]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

d32f123 wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

TheCrimsonSpire wrote...

Ravii wrote...


*Snip*

I'm also curious to know where this is from. Who is the artist, and is there a larger version of this photo? It really is a magnificant piece.

Bah-hah! I found it: 

den1ke.deviantart.com/#/d54wlus

I would totally buy this as well. 

Even more favourite than this one? 

*Snip*

That one is pretty awesome too, but there's just something about the expression here...

*snip*
Maybe it's dem eyes. 

Yeah, there's something definitely...:wub:

[lillitheris]

…Yeah, the Alliance isn’t just going to give away a ship. Not even for PR—they’d fly it around instead. A more reasonable explanation would be a Shepard remaining in the Alliance, or the craft being transferred to Citadel (or similar) control and repurposed for Spectres, for example.

…

For something completely different, here’s a somewhat asari-related codex entry I wrote for most recent chapter:

:

Languages and translators. Languages are naturally, very varied in the galaxy. Most species still have multiple languages in use, usually regionally or by clan or similar, but a common language used within the species—like English is for humans.

The translators nearly everyone has equipped are extremely powerful, having been in use and constant development for closer to two thousand years. They are perfectly capable of translating any languages they're programmed for with microsecond delays—essentially as well, or better, as a native speaker's brain can. These are used in the cases where there is no common language, or when a party feels they would be limited by their skill. The translators also emulate the speaker's voice, simplifying the experience, and by default modulate the actual foreign-language speech out from the stream going through the aurals. The only unsolved problem is that in a face-to-face conversation, the speaker's words will be out of sync with the speech. This can be disconcerting.

Partially for this reason, the Citadel established a common language early on. As the asari were the first species, and the salarians who came next were quick learners, the language chosen was the common tongue of the asari, Astran. It is used for all official and public communications, and widely used in everyday life. All Systems Alliance personnel learn Astran—in fact, most schools on Earth have begun teaching it as their second language in the decades after humans joined the galactic community.

Astran is from the Thessian republic of Astra. The name derives from the word for 'mountainous region' because Astra spreads along most of the significant highlands of Thessia. (Nos Astra, the capital of Illium, means something like 'the mountains which we built'.) The vast natural resources and shelter of Astra made it the biggest player in Thessian politics and economy, leading to the dominant role of its language.

Serran is the language of Serra, the republic in which the city of Serrice lies, and whence Liara T'Soni is from.

Modifié par lillitheris, 15 août 2012 - 07:59 .

[H4nniba11]

lillitheris wrote...
*huge snip

Wow, I have read only the beginning of Unity (stopped when the green blood was mentioned) but the other small parts that I've glanced when you have posted them in this thread have always been extremely good without exceptions. Also are you native speaker or how did you learn so good? Two things worth mentioning: Mass Effect Codex states that there actually is already artificial trade tongue that most species are able to speak without problems. I don't know how much you headcanon things but I personally headcanon majority of codex entries as face fact. Also I found some evidence supporting and some evidence disproving some of the things you wrote in Intro to Asari for Humans. Would you rather have me tell them here in thread or through PMs?

[Dragon_Claw]

If you guys didn´t know, Ali is starring in a little & funny webseries called "Fix me".

You should check it out...

[lillitheris]

H4nniba11 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
*huge snip

Wow, I have read only the beginning of Unity (stopped when the green blood was mentioned) but the other small parts that I've glanced when you have posted them in this thread have always been extremely good without exceptions.

Thank you! …But green blood? I don’t actually remember that, and can’t find a reference in the text… Krogan blood is yellowish orange, which is mentioned, maybe that?

Also are you native speaker or how did you learn so good?

Both

Two things worth mentioning: Mass Effect Codex states that there actually is already artificial trade tongue that most species are able to speak without problems. I don't know how much you headcanon things but I personally headcanon majority of codex entries as face fact.

I think it comes up in one of the novels originally? Don’t recall which… But, anyway, ‘trade language’ sounds like pidgin, so I made it a little more official. Drew probably avoided giving detail just because it would have needed further explanation.

The Codex is generally The Truth, though there are some cases where BioWare’s ducks are not only not in a row, but a few have ended up roasted. As such, I do tend to follow it slavishly, breaking (or elaborating/obfuscating) when necessary.

Also I found some evidence supporting and some evidence disproving some of the things you wrote in Intro to Asari for Humans. Would you rather have me tell them here in thread or through PMs?

Ooh, if you do have any contradictions, I’d like to know…I’ve tried to avoid those in the Intro.

Modifié par lillitheris, 15 août 2012 - 10:39 .

[Akernis]

lillitheris wrote...
Serran is the language of Serra, the republic in which the city of Serrice lies, and whence Liara T'Soni is from.

Liara is not from Serrice, she only went to university there, when she was a child she lived in Amali as she tells Shepard in the date scene.

Modifié par Akernis, 15 août 2012 - 11:03 .

[lillitheris]

Akernis wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
Serran is the language of Serra, the republic in which the city of Serrice lies, and whence Liara T'Soni is from.

Liara is not from Serrice, she only went to university there, when she was a child she lived in Amali as she tells Shepard in the date scene.

The sentence construction maybe throwing you off? ‘And’ is the operative word…I suppose I could rephrase it, but removing the extra clauses it reads: “Serra, whence Liara T’Soni is from.” Serrice and Armali are cities within.

[Yuqi]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

*snip*

If you guys didn´t know, Ali is starring in a little & funny webseries called "Fix me".

You should check it out...

LOL that ep was funny, I think the nanny one was better though lol.

Modifié par Yuqi, 15 août 2012 - 11:40 .

[Akernis]

lillitheris wrote...
The sentence construction maybe throwing you off? ‘And’ is the operative word…I suppose I could rephrase it, but removing the extra clauses it reads: “Serra, whence Liara T’Soni is from.” Serrice and Armali are cities within.

Okay I see what you mean.
We are not told where Amali and Serrice are located are we?

I though that the republics of Thessia were each individual city which originally consisted of several city-states rather than an area with several  cities within them.

Modifié par Akernis, 15 août 2012 - 11:46 .

[lillitheris]

Akernis wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
The sentence construction maybe throwing you off? ‘And’ is the operative word…I suppose I could rephrase it, but removing the extra clauses it reads: “Serra, whence Liara T’Soni is from.” Serrice and Armali are cities within.

Okay I see what you mean.
We are not told where Amali and Serrice are located are we?

No, the lore is woefully (or wonderfully) incomplete; I figured that she probably stayed within the same republic.

I though that the republics of Thessia were each individual city which originally consisted of several city-states rather than an area with several  cities within them.

That’s one option, definitely. I limited the republics to nine, figuring that they had been consolidating over the years. The ‘e-democracy’ system of government is fairly anarchistic/syndicalist/soviet*, so even the republics are fairly loose, people self-organize and are mostly involved in regional affairs.

…



Really like this image, even though the comics aren’t that great in the art department.

Modifié par lillitheris, 15 août 2012 - 12:03 .

[hollow22_]

karmensandiego wrote...

*gasp*



HOLLOW!!!!  MY FAVORITE SPANIARD!!!!

*shoves Akernis into Yuqi*

Here, hold this for me Yuqi...

*skips to Hollow*

*GLOMPGLOMPGLOMPGLOMP*



WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN MISTER?

DONDE ESTA HOLLOW?

hahahah I was too busy doing some reaper experiments on PETA and also with tons of work here so I almost havn't checked this in at least 2-3 months, and also no ME  (I know, heresy lol)

right now even if I'm busy I'll try to retake this gradually so I guess you'll see me around here sometimes.

on topic:

lillitheris wrote...

Thank you! …But green blood? I don’t
actually remember that, and can’t find a reference in the text… Krogan
blood is yellowish orange, which is mentioned, maybe that?

mmm where on Earth is that mentioned? I guess I need to replay all 3 games since I start to forget some things... haha I thought krogan blood was some sort of blue-purpled colours

Modifié par hollow22_, 15 août 2012 - 12:08 .

[Akernis]

lillitheris wrote...



Really like this image, even though the comics aren’t that great in the art department.

Agreed, that one of her "action-pictures" I really like.

About pictures I am starting to get really annoyed at how many tastless, fetish and disrespectful pictures of Liara there are, especially on Deviantart where I usually like to search for pics. I have not seen much good fanart of her lately and respectful and great pictures, screenshots or similar also seems to be in short surpply.  

Modifié par Akernis, 15 août 2012 - 12:21 .

[H4nniba11]

lillitheris wrote...
Thank you! …But green blood? I don’t actually remember that, and can’t find a reference in the text… Krogan blood is yellowish orange, which is mentioned, maybe that?

I'm horribly sorry. I don't know how but I had mixed Unity with some synthesis fanfic I started reading and stopped when the mentioning of green blood came. Seriously, I should start reading your fic but right now I'm grateful that I can steal enough time to come to this thread. Stupid RL problems like work and sleep keep interfering all the time.

lillitheris wrote...
I think it comes up in one of the novels originally? Don’t recall which… But, anyway, ‘trade language’ sounds like pidgin, so I made it a little more official. Drew probably avoided giving detail just because it would have needed further explanation.

The Codex is generally The Truth, though there are some cases where BioWare’s ducks are not only not in a row, but a few have ended up roasted. As such, I do tend to follow it slavishly, breaking (or elaborating/obfuscating) when necessary.

Actually I think I saw line about trade tongue in Mass Effect Bring Down the Sky codex entry about tranlators. I'm fairly sure that it is there since I don't own any of the novels and I did complete codex readthrough only 1.5 month ago. Also nice to see that we have exactly similar views on Codex in general.

lillitheris wrote...
Ooh, if you do have any contradictions, I’d like to know…I’ve tried to avoid those in the Intro.

 
Well here we go:
General Physiology:
You wrote that Asari noses are etirely made of cartilage. First I thought that this was true because I noticed that banshees don't have noses. Then I checked if husks didin't have ears. Well they do have ears, skin has just grown over them, leaving only small slits for hearing. However I noticed that tips of the husks' noses have fallen off. I though that this was evidence supporting your theory but then I took a closer look of the side profile of a banshee and noticed that there is nasal bone exactly where humans have it (This was supposed to be supporting part. Apparently I can only contradict your Intro).
I also tried to determine wether Asari have canine teeth or not. I spent around five minutes replaying the part with Vasir in youtube, where she says: '' I heard that losing a parent scars children for life'', because it offers a good view of her mouth. Conclusion: Insufficient evidence since Bioware took the lazy route and put human mouth in her (mouth's insides are red, it took me 5 min to notice it)
Sexual Physiology:
You may have gotten the impression that I have been actively searching for these things. Well I quess you could say that about nose and canine teeth but this one actually found me. Around one month ago I was checking the new posts on Mass Effect 3: motivationals when I saw it. Someone had toyed with banshee model and point of view and... Well, lets just say that Bioware really put some detailed work down there. That single picture completely ruins your theory about Asari lacking certain female parts.

Btw, do you have history in biology? I can't understand lot of things you say about Asari because terminology is too biological.

[Edit] Typo mistakes

Modifié par H4nniba11, 15 août 2012 - 12:37 .

[lillitheris]

hollow22_ wrote...

Krogan blood is yellowish orange, which is mentioned, maybe that?

mmm where on Earth is that mentioned? I guess I need to replay all 3 games since I start to forget some things... haha I thought krogan blood was some sort of blue-purpled colours

Wiki/codex though, predictably, BW doesn’t actually maintain this consistently because it’s easier to just give everyone red blood…

[lillitheris]

H4nniba11 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
Thank you! …But green blood? I don’t actually remember that, and can’t find a reference in the text… Krogan blood is yellowish orange, which is mentioned, maybe that?

I'm horribly sorry. I don't know how but I had mixed Unity with some synthesis fanfic I started reading and stopped when the mentioning of green blood came. Seriously, I should start reading your fic but right now I'm grateful that I can steal enough time to come to this thread. Stupid RL problems like work and sleep keep interfering all the time.

Sleep is the enemy.

lillitheris wrote...
I think it comes up in one of the novels originally? Don’t recall which… But, anyway, ‘trade language’ sounds like pidgin, so I made it a little more official. Drew probably avoided giving detail just because it would have needed further explanation.

The Codex is generally The Truth, though there are some cases where BioWare’s ducks are not only not in a row, but a few have ended up roasted. As such, I do tend to follow it slavishly, breaking (or elaborating/obfuscating) when necessary.

Actually I think I saw line about trade tongue in Mass Effect Bring Down the Sky codex entry about tranlators. I'm fairly sure that it is there since I don't own any of the novels and I did complete codex readthrough only 1.5 month ago. Also nice to see that we have exactly similar views on Codex in general.

Interesting! The wiki does contain a lot of info from the books so it could be from there…but could as well be BDtS. Either way, I don’t like the pidgin connotation

I took a closer look of the side profile of a banshee and noticed that there is nasal bone exactly where humans have it

I’m just calling it some dessicated cartilage (they’re not stripped to bone, after all).

since Bioware took the lazy route

QFT

You may have gotten the impression that I have been actively searching for these things. Well I quess you could say that about nose and canine teeth but this one actually found me.

Uh-huh, sure!

Around one month ago I was checking the new posts on Mass Effect 3: motivationals when I saw it. Someone had toyed with banshee model and point of view and... Well, lets just say that Bioware really put some detailed work down there. That single picture completely ruins your theory about Asari lacking certain female parts.

Ah, but they don’t lack said part…it’s just not exactly the same. You’re looking for the section in the intro that mentions ‘azure’.

Btw, do you have history in biology? I can't understand lot of things you say about Asari because terminology is too biological.

No degree studies, no.

[Arcataye]

Akernis wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

http://www.gameinfor...DLC_2D00_01.jpg

Really like this image, even though the comics aren’t that great in the art department.

Agreed, that one of her "action-pictures" I really like.

I like the pages too where she shows off her biotic powers just because it shows what she's capable of. You know, something more than singularity and warp.

This biotic picture of angry Aria is great (needs more biotics tho), would be nice to see something similar with Liara (but not as angry).

Modifié par Arcataye, 15 août 2012 - 01:25 .

[H4nniba11]

[quote]lillitheris wrote...

Interesting! The wiki does contain a lot of info from the books so it could be from there…but could as well be BDtS. Either way, I don’t like the pidgin connotation^_^
[/quote]
Well I'm not going to blame you if you are going to ignore that part in your headcanon. I personally like the idea of artificial language composed from several others ( maybe mixture of turian,asari and salarian?).

[quote]lillitheris wrote...
I’m just calling it some dessicated cartilage [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie] (they’re not stripped to bone, after all).
[/quote] 

Interesting, hadn't thought about that. Or maybe they have extremely tiny nasal bones and cartilage that hasn't fallen off just makes it look bigger (good enough compromise?).


[/quote]lillitheris wrote... 
Uh-huh, sure! 
[/quote]  
I honestly wasn't looking for it. To me banshees represent the most vilest crime the Reapers have committed! But when I saw that pic I was: ''Might as well take a peek to see what Asari have down there''. 

[/quote]lillitheris wrote... 
Ah, but they don’t lack said part…it’s just not exactly the same. You’re looking for the section in the intro that mentions ‘azure’.
[/quote] 

I said parts. I didin't miss the point where you said ''there is a hole''. To make it clear as day: Banshees prove that Asari have both vulva and clitoris (Seriously I can't imagine why the hell did they make it THAT detailed)

[Edit] Some quotes were broken
[Edit] And still are. Too lazy to fix. I'm sure you are smart enough to figure it out.

Modifié par H4nniba11, 15 août 2012 - 01:29 .

[lillitheris]

H4nniba11 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Interesting! The wiki does contain a lot of info from the books so it could be from there…but could as well be BDtS. Either way, I don’t like the pidgin connotation^_^

Well I'm not going to blame you if you are going to ignore that part in your headcanon. I personally like the idea of artificial language composed from several others ( maybe mixture of turian,asari and salarian?).

I don’t think a composite language would work. A completely artificial one maybe, but I don’t see a reason to create one. If the differences between species are too great for one to not be able to learn the other’s language, coming up with an artificial one will not solve the problem.

Edit: as in, it would have taken far less time for the entire salarian species to learn the language than devising a new language would. Then when the volus came, it was two against one… and before you know, the entire economy is running on Astran.

Interesting, hadn't thought about that. Or maybe they have extremely tiny nasal bones and cartilage that hasn't fallen off just makes it look bigger (good enough compromise?).

I guess. I think I’ll stick with cartilage, though.

…

And thanks, I didn’t really look that…er, deeply, into the imagery of banshee anatomy when they appeared (I’d plotted this stuff out way back in ME2). This will be one deliberate deviation from canon (= BW laziness). Blue women are boring and implausible.

…

Ah, top…hm, let’s get this old litograph background dusted off:


MightyBOBcnc @DA

Modifié par lillitheris, 15 août 2012 - 01:41 .

[H4nniba11]

lillitheris wrote...
I don’t think a composite language would work. A completely artificial one maybe, but I don’t see a reason to create one. If the differences between species are too great for one to not be able to learn the other’s language, coming up with an artificial one will not solve the problem.

It might be impossible for one species to produce or hear some voices that other species is using due to different kind of speaking organs (Sorry for horrible english; I don't know the right terms. Hope you get the message). Composite language made of voices and tones both audible and possible to create for both species would be easier to learn and would greatly improve the interraction.

lillitheris wrote...
And thanks, I didn’t really look that…er, deeply, into the imagery of banshee anatomy when they appeared (I’d plotted this stuff out way back in ME2). This will be one deliberate deviation from canon (= BW laziness). Blue women are boring and implausible

 

I'm glad I was able to provide information. I wouldn't say that Asari are blue women even if they own those parts. Melding and being monogendered will always make them much more. And about them being implausible, I agree that your interpretation sounds very realistic and logical, but we don't know enough about evolution of Asari or Thessia's environment to make big assumptions. So while it is substantialy more probable to Asari have different parts than humans, I wouldn't say that it would be impossible for them to have very similar ones, quite improbable though. Isn't really much issue to me as long as parts are somewhat compatible and both enjoy it (which has been the case since Mass Effect). Now lets leave this subject alone before someone gets funny ideas about posting banshees here.