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[Nyxia]

Yuqi wrote...

Side note: Why do some people when talking about shepard say 'me'. I just don't get it..

Same!! We should be best friends! That makes me feel funny in the tummy.

When I play ME I feel more like I'm manipulating Shepard than role-playing.

Modifié par Nyxia, 17 août 2012 - 12:04 .

[mumba]

Yuqi wrote...
Side note: Why do some people when talking about shepard say 'me'. I just don't get it..

That's how I play through the trilogy.. I was pretty suprised when I first came on the BSN that everybody "Invented" their own shepard. And gave him/her a backstory. (some a bit more serious than others)
Me, I normally like to pretend that I am Shepard. When the dialouge options arise I'll say what I would say in a real life situation. Whilst, what seems like a majority of players play for example, pure paragon because the Shepard that they invented is a morally strong character. Or Renegade because their Shepard was "bullied as a kid" (making stuff up)
I suppose it just varies on the person. 

Modifié par Mumba1511, 17 août 2012 - 12:16 .

[Theodoro]

I couldn't help but view my Shepard as an extension of myself in my first canon playthrough of Mass Effect, so sometimes I just instinctively referred to him as "me". That was true for my main Shepard, since all of my other playthroughs were basically me roleplaying other Shepards.

Of course, in ME1 and ME2 I was given the option to say things I would have myself, which is why it was not difficult to relate to Shepard. This is less true in ME3 as a result of the amount of autodialogue in that game, especially during the original non-EC ending, so that I'd naturally start differentiating between "my Shepard" and just "Shepard", who said many things I never wanted him to in ME3 so it was not as easy to relate to him anymore.

Akernis wrote...
@ Aristobulus and Theo: glad to see you guys back, though I am sorry to hear that your interest in Liara has waned somewhat

No, it hasn't - switching my avatar is not because I have lost interest in Liara or because she is no longer a favorite characer, no. It's just that I have formed an even greater attachment to another character because unlike Liara, she has not had the potential of being added more depth to wasted. So I couldn't help but be more attached to that character because of that, and I simply felt like I wanted her as my avatar here, too.

Akernis wrote...
Some blue since I am feeling down right now.

Sorry to hear that, Akernis, I hope some Shepard and Liara will cheer you up some:


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Modifié par Theodoro, 17 août 2012 - 03:38 .

[Yuqi]

@Nyxia
Yay,another player like me, sorta.!
@Mumba
 I just cant wrap my head around that; I mean maybe my Imagination is crappy, but playing the game like that is not logical to me.  I've always played according to what backstory they had.

@Theodoro
The Auto-dialouge worked  and does change according too personality, it's almost the same system as MOTA.

Modifié par Yuqi, 17 août 2012 - 12:37 .

[Dragon_Claw]

Great... Jack spiked the crews drinks.

Liara is hallucinating & Tali is (literally) riding the commander.

[Mavqt]

giddy up, shepony?

[Theodoro]

Yuqi wrote...
@Theodoro
The Auto-dialouge worked  and does change according too personality, it's almost the same system as MOTA.

Except that you can never have Shepard not talk about Earth during every possible opportunity and talk about how much more important it is than the other homeworlds. Hell, regardless whether the system changes according to personality, Shepard will always want to stay on Earth in the intro ('The Citadel? The fight's here!') and you can't prevent him/her from saying lines like that. You can't even comfort Liara after the fall of Thessia the way you should have been able to! I'm not saying that there shouldn't be the option for Shepard to do the things he/she does in ME3 on his/her own, but there should have been other options as well for you to choose.

Such auto-dialogue features broke immersion for me and made me feel like I was playing a different Shepard than the one I was used to in ME1 and ME2.

[H4nniba11]

Auto dialogue was never a problem to me. My shepard is me for the most parts but some alterations had to be done to make him suit with the background story. Also the morale system in ME 1 and 2 forced my hand in some situations since my shepard in strong willed and influential individual and I seriously need those precious renegade points. Even with more auto dialogue in ME 3 Shepard still remained same individual he had been before. I would probably want to stay on Earth for first too, but after thinking about it I would see why it is necessary to leave. I agree that some parts are not exactly in character of my Shepard but ME 1 and 2 had some points too that made me think ''Thats not what I would answer''. Also headcanon helps a lot.


 I headcanoned that my Shep send him a geth head for that lamp^_^

@Aristo and Theo: Shame on thee for averting your eyes from blue goddess!

Ps. I may not be able to visit this thread in this weekend so I would apreciate it if you wouldn't go in horrible FTL. There is a reward waiting for you in monday if you manage to slow even a little;).
[Edit] Typos

Modifié par H4nniba11, 17 août 2012 - 01:50 .

[Mavqt]

^You know that's not going to happen.

[H4nniba11]

mavqt wrote...

^You know that's not going to happen.

I'm not expecting miracles but even a small slow down helps. Probably not going to happen, but I can still hope, right ?

[Theodoro]

Every time I'm away for a while the thread explodes, so I'm definitely not holding my breath for that!

As for auto-dialogue Shepard: The lines he says on his own would be what some people want him to say, yeah, but what about others who didn't? I'm just talking about having more options here, and even if I were satisfied with how auto-dialogue Shepard was handled, I would always prefer if there were more options. And in my opinion there weren't enough in ME3.

[lillitheris]

H4nniba11 wrote...

Ps. I may not be able to visit this thread in this weekend so I would apreciate it if you wouldn't go in horrible FTL. There is a reward waiting for you in monday if you manage to slow even a little;)

Meh to you! As we say, harden the f— up and read through the mountains of posts when you get back! :happy:

[Aristobulus500]

Akernis wrote...

@ Aristobulus and Theo: glad to see you guys back, though I am sorry to hear that your interest in Liara has waned somewhat

No! It hasn't! This is more a testament to how much I like this character than any disinterest in Liara. I was more explaining why I feel that way.

Aristobulus500 wrote...
edit - also with the influx of Banshee avatars it didn't seem like liking Liara anymore was the "in" thing around here...

Not true  we love her.

What's this "we"? You're not using a banshee avatar.

Also, on the whole auto dialogue thing, sometimes it was good, but Theo is right - lots of times in ME3 especially you're railroaded on a certain path with Shepard that really makes him feel like he's just "Shepard" and not my Shepard. In ME1 you could be pretty gung ho for equality and talk about how aliens were just as important as humans, and then in ME3 even as a paragon you're forced into some pretty strong HUMANITY #1 rhetoric which I hated.

"The Citadel? But the fight's here!" took me right out of the game because it's something I never wanted my Shep to say, and that was just the beginning of things I had to watch Shep say that completely contradicted the character I had built up in ME1 and ME2.

[DOsquareZER]

Akernis wrote...

Aristobulus500 wrote...
edit - also with the influx of Banshee avatars it didn't seem like liking Liara anymore was the "in" thing around here...

Not true  we love her.

Aristobulus500 wrote...
What's this "we"? You're not using a banshee avatar.

What ho? Problems with my banshees image?

I don't like Liara any less than I did before, if we're going by the whole "You use a banshee avatar, you must not like her" logic - was I ever a part of that group of "liara fans must wear liara avatar"?.  I don't even really own mass effect anymore, and here I am still chilling on Liara's forums, hell she's even on my desktop in tasteful fashion.  She can't have my ipad, avatar, cell phone, etc etc too!  That'd be like...overdose on blue and rapid loss of interest, because of the constant reminder of how much ME3 ****ED THE HELL UP! *rage mode* Ill get over it...maybe.  Besides my Fork tailed devil squadron, Random amber eyed male #14, Antenna nebulae, my latest film addiction, and photos of my last trip to the middle of nowhere need attention too!

Modifié par doozer12, 17 août 2012 - 03:23 .

[Aristobulus500]

No, Doozer, you don't have to wear a Liara av. But I'm not going to buy that anyone wearing a banshee avatar has any real respect for the character.

On the one hand, you want me to believe you do like Liara and respect her as a character and all that - on the other you fetishize a gross disfigurement and abomination of her race. The very anti-thesis of what an Asari is and a perversion of what Liara is.

[lillitheris]

^ And some say I take things too seriously…


(Javik told me to say that your ‘better Liara’ avatar is disrespectful, too. Edit: and something about primitives.)

Modifié par lillitheris, 17 août 2012 - 03:43 .

[hollow22_]

doozer12 wrote...
What ho? Problems with my banshees image?

I don't like Liara any less than I did before, if we're going by the whole "You use a banshee avatar, you must not like her" logic - was I ever a part of that group of "liara fans must wear liara avatar"?.  I don't even really own mass effect anymore, and here I am still chilling on Liara's forums, hell she's even on my desktop in tasteful fashion.  She can't have my ipad, avatar, cell phone, etc etc too!  That'd be like...overdose on blue and rapid loss of interest, because of the constant reminder of how much ME3 ****ED THE HELL UP! *rage mode* Ill get over it...maybe.  Besides my Fork tailed devil squadron, Random amber eyed male #14, Antenna nebulae, my latest film addiction, and photos of my last trip to the middle of nowhere need attention too!

+10000. No more to add.

Aristobulus500 wrote...

No, Doozer, you don't have to wear a Liara av. But I'm not going to buy that anyone wearing a banshee avatar has any real respect for the character.

On
the one hand, you want me to believe you do like Liara and respect her
as a character and all that - on the other you fetishize a gross
disfigurement and abomination of her race. The very anti-thesis of what
an Asari is and a perversion of what Liara is.

and what's the matter of wearing a Banshee avatar? You like her too and you don't wear her av. or another of an asari, you just wear the pic you like, as doozer and I do. If you don't wanna believe that Doozer and I like Liara and asari is okay, is your opinion, but that doesn't mean you have to critizise us to make us change our av.

In fact if you have read all 1915 page of this thread, you'll see that longtime before you registered on BSN, Doozer (specially him) and I were here doing this Banshee crazy stuff and nobody got upset, on the other hand, people enjoyed it, and that's why some people created PETA, just to have fun here and there.


edit: lilitheris, hah you're right, just to think that....:devil:

Modifié par hollow22_, 17 août 2012 - 03:42 .

[Aristobulus500]

You can wear whatever avatar you like, you just shouldn't act so surprised when people read into it.

Let me put it this way, I can buy that someone with an avatar of a snake also likes cats. I would have trouble believing that someone with an avatar of a dead cat likes cats. The person sporting a dead cat avatar doesn't really get to act shocked when I say to him, "I don't think you really like cats all that much."

Edit - I don't care what Doozer did in the past, or how people responded. I wasn't there in the past, and I would've been just as negative on it then as I am now.  I'm speaking for how I feel.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 17 août 2012 - 03:48 .

[hollow22_]

you're just too serious man, just enjoy this thread like all people have done since it was created by Lord Grunt and forget about what other people likes
I won't add anymore in this "banshee avatar discussion" because Doozer explained it well to you, and as Stratovarius said in their song Find Your Own Voice "You speak your truth and I speak mine"

haha in fact question for everybody: does anyone like stratovarius too? I know it's kinda offtopic but I guess it's better than this avatar discussion

oh and since there's some lack of blue, I'll share here my Dem Eyes, and also some Grey since there are people here who also like reaper-things:

[DOsquareZER]

Aristobulus500 wrote...

No, Doozer, you don't have to wear a Liara av. But I'm not going to buy that anyone wearing a banshee avatar has any real respect for the character.

On the one hand, you want me to believe you do like Liara and respect her as a character and all that - on the other you fetishize a gross disfigurement and abomination of her race. The very anti-thesis of what an Asari is and a perversion of what Liara is.

But synthesis makes everybody equals!  Even banshee's are sexy!  Can't you see it was the right choice!?  /sarcasm

Oh im not shocked but... whatever - the crimes she represents to me of what Bioware did to its own game (mass effect was beautiful once..) really arn't funny, but instead of ****ing about something I can't change (which is hard to do I know but it does get repetitive & tiresome - and i really don't feel like starting another movement for a dead game...), i try and make it into something spiteful yet funny that I can laugh and shrug off and walk away from... aka over sexualized, omni tool wielding (inside joke), huskified banshee with a pretty and almost sadistic grin.  Understood my humor doesnt commonly mesh with everybody elses so your insuation that I'm a messed up freak and a liar has come and gone with zero ****s given.  Keep trying though.

PS.  I also used the banshee to scare away 5Bers, to some effectiveness.  Their fear of banshee spams protects me from forced baby spam. 

lillitheris wrote...
And some say I take things too seriously… [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]
(Javik told me to say that your ‘better Liara’ avatar is disrespectful, too. Edit: and something about primitives.)

No kidding.  You're a god damned clown compared to this guy.

[Aristobulus500]

Says the dead cat avatar to a "Post Your Favorite pet cat thread", "I wear this avatar ironically because my cat scratched me once, also I don't really care that you find my avatar distasteful and here is a dissertation on how much I do not care"

[Arcataye]

Theodoro wrote...

Except that you can never have Shepard not talk about Earth during every possible opportunity and talk about how much more important it is than the other homeworlds. Hell, regardless whether the system changes according to personality, Shepard will always want to stay on Earth in the intro ('The Citadel? The fight's here!')

Renegade line but the paragon was something similar iirc, just not as blunt.

Modifié par Arcataye, 17 août 2012 - 04:13 .

[DOsquareZER]

Sure.  Moving on.

Modifié par doozer12, 17 août 2012 - 04:12 .

[Aristobulus500]

Arcataye wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

Except that you can never have Shepard not talk about Earth during every possible opportunity and talk about how much more important it is than the other homeworlds. Hell, regardless whether the system changes according to personality, Shepard will always want to stay on Earth in the intro ('The Citadel? The fight's here!')

Renegade line but the paragon was something similar iirc, just not as blunt.

Yeah, you get it, Arc. That kind of stuff happens all the time. Shepard is constantly forced to say things that are the very opposite of what I was thinking.

Like I'm thinking "hell yeah this is really a time to get to the Citadel and work on that unified galactic force" and Shepard pipes up with "**** THAT WHY WOULD I WANTT O TALK TO ANYONE I WANT TO BE A FOOT SOLDIER ON EARTH" and then you go to the Citadel and the aliens are like "But our planets are being attacked too how can you expect us to help Earth when we're not safe ourselves?" and I'm thinking that's pretty reasonable and Shepard shouts "**** YOU EARTH FIRST EARTH IS AUTOMATICALLY BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER PLANET YOU SHOULD DEFEND EARTH 
BECAUSE HUMANS"

and it's just a whole bunch of

and don't even get me started on how cold Shepard is to Liara. You don't get a single moment with her where Shepard doesn't bring up the Reapers in some form.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 17 août 2012 - 04:17 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

People need to calm down. We are all fans of Liara here!

"EDIT"

On topic. I was annoyed by Shepard's annoying focus on Earth aswell.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 17 août 2012 - 04:20 .