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[DOsquareZER]

Lizardviking wrote...

People need to calm down. We are all fans of Liara here!

"EDIT"

On topic. I was annoyed by Shepard's annoying focus on Earth aswell.

Nope! Im not, apparently..  I'm just mentally disturbed and lost on BSN.  But I like the bar here so chances of me moving are slim.

Also:  I agree with the earth thing.  Hell my shepard was a spacer - it was just another planet to her, same as thessia, same as palavan.  There was really no attachment there other than the immense gathering of living beings and potential resources on each, but whatever.

[lillitheris]

[Theodoro]

To think that with Shepard's assertion of Earth being the most important planet and that's where the entire galaxy needs to be (and abandon their own planets and leave them to be destroyed by the Reapers in the meantime, mind you), implying that humanity is the #1 priority and nothing else matters, you would expect that he and the Illusive Man would have gotten along in ME3.

Modifié par Theodoro, 17 août 2012 - 04:27 .

[Tipsyfresh]

@ arc and @ aristo etc. I agree with ur thoughts about the "earth is more important" dialog push.

My cousin had a good point as well:

He didn't understand why SPacer shepards cared so much about Earth. Not colony shepards but ones that just grew up in space. I figured because you're human you have concerns for earth( where humans come from) but i also think you should have a chance to not feel that way or support the galaxy over one home world.

Any thoughts? Also you guys Might have hit on this already, it's just...1916 pgs and counting...so...



Edit: dangit doozer!  But yes!

Modifié par Tipsyfresh, 17 août 2012 - 04:29 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

doozer12
Also:  I agree with the earth thing.  Hell my shepard was a spacer - it was just another planet to her, same as thessia, same as palavan.  There was really no attachment there other than the immense gathering of living beings and potential resources on each, but whatever.

I always wanted my Shepard in the intro to first tell the defence commitee that they should get the fleet the f"ck out of Sol system and regroup at the Citadel with the rest of the council species. Then I would wish he was not a retard and go "The Citadel? The fight is here!" and simply agree with Anderson's plan.

[Thessaly77]

Uhm now I am more confused, why are we talking about Shepard's apparently extreme attachment to earth in this thread?

Can we go back to Liara, please?

Modifié par Thessaly77, 17 août 2012 - 04:37 .

[mumba]

lillitheris wrote...

I Died.

Modifié par Mumba1511, 17 août 2012 - 04:34 .

[hollow22_]

Tipsyfresh wrote...

@ arc and @ aristo etc. I agree with ur thoughts about the "earth is more important" dialog push.

My cousin had a good point as well:

He didn't understand why SPacer shepards cared so much about Earth. Not colony shepards but ones that just grew up in space. I figured because you're human you have concerns for earth( where humans come from) but i also think you should have a chance to not feel that way or support the galaxy over one home world.

Any thoughts? Also you guys Might have hit on this already, it's just...1916 pgs and counting...so...

Edit: dangit doozer!  But yes!

OI tipsyfresh, your cousin's point is grat yeah, but I guess the answer of it is "it was written on the script". I suppose BW didn't had the ressources or they didn't wanna write 3 different stories for the same game, I mean, a spacer shep who doesn't care about earth, a colonist who cares a little, and the earthborn who cares the most.

I also assume that this would cost ressources and time to VA to record the dialogues and also for dessigners to import them into the game. In fact if you looked carefully, "how shepard's origins affects on the entire trilogy?"

in my opinion there are few situation (and sidequest) in which that is talked or menctioned on the game, so as I told you, I guess the answer of your cousin's point is "it was written on the ME3 script":lol:

edit: lizard--> I gues, as doozer said, I'm too "mentally disturbed and lost on BSN.  " but that is settled for me:lol:

[Arcataye]

doozer12 wrote...

I agree with the earth thing.  Hell my shepard was a spacer - it was just another planet to her, same as thessia, same as palavan.  There was really no attachment there other than the immense gathering of living beings and potential resources on each, but whatever.

Spacer: lived on ships and stations, never staying too long in one place.
Colonist: born and raised on Mindoir, family killed by slavers.
Earthborn: street orphan, escaped gang life by joining the Alliance.

None of them really care about Earth and it really annoyed me right from the start how much Shepard was all "Earth Earth Earth".

Thessaly77 wrote...

Uhm now I am more confused, why are we talking about Shepard's apparently extreme attachment to earth in this thread?

Well start a discussion, just posting a picture every once in a while ain't that exciting honestly.

Modifié par Arcataye, 17 août 2012 - 04:39 .

[Theodoro]

Do you guys think that eventually Liara and Javik will be able to get along and write that book together?

Assuming, of course, that after the defeat of the Reapers Javik hasn't committed suicide.

[ottifant64]

[quote]Ravii wrote...

[quote]Dragon_Claw wrote...

Thread lacks German...

[/quote]

OMG...NO it doesn't lack ZE GERMAN but still pretty funny text. 

[/quote]From her dA:
[quote]The german localization of Mass Effect is
terrible, because every voice actor sounds stiff and lifeless. On top
of that they address each other formally. Yes, even if you romance
someone, they are still extremely polite. Durr.
If you are not
familiar with the German language: There are two ways of addressing
someone. One is called "Duzen" and is used in an informal way, like you
say "Du" to friends or your family. The second one is called "Siezen"
and is the formal address. AND THEY USE THIS ONE IN MASS EFFECT NEARLY
ALL THE TIME.[/quote]

EXACTLY THAT is one of the complains I have with the german version it just sucks and it's not the same with the real VA.

[/quote]

Some folks have too high expectations.

[Tipsyfresh]

@hollow2

Yep scripting could've been the problem but now that u mention the possible ways to look at shepards origins it wouldve been impressive if they did tie into the story somehow. For example if Shepard was a spacer, instead of priority earth, we'd get priority sword (as opposed to hammer or shield). Actually the main story could've still involved earth because it seemed to be the front for the reaper war, but shepards direct involvement could be influenced by his origin ...or...our choices. And we could still meet the catalyst because we'd just hop off the Normandy because it can swoop down at the beam and drop us off...

[Thessaly77]

Arcataye wrote...

Thessaly77 wrote...

Uhm now I am more confused, why are we talking about Shepard's apparently extreme attachment to earth in this thread?

Well start a discussion, just posting a picture every once in a while ain't that exciting honestly.

Actually I found all the Banshee discussion amusing (may not be Liara-related, but they're Asari - albeit Reaperized Asari) but look what happened there

[Tipsyfresh]

Theodoro wrote...

Do you guys think that eventually Liara and Javik will be able to get along and write that book together?

Assuming, of course, that after the defeat of the Reapers Javik hasn't committed suicide.

That depends on how Shepard handles Javik's memory shart(d). If you say you don't need to liven the past or something, Javik says later in priority earth that he might write a Book with Liara. 

I saw it on the wiki page once.

[mumba]

About this whole Shepard and Earth thing, I completely understand it, although it may be a bit repetitive overtime. It makes sense.
You just have to as yourself. Let's say, you're bloodline is Australian. But you were born and raised in the U.S. Next thing you know, World war III starts and Australia is invaded. Wouldn't you want to help defend Australia? Even if some parts of Europe were bound to perish?
(probably a terrible analogy, but just feel like expressing my opinion).

And on this Banshee thing, real quick. It's bloody hilarious.

[Arcataye]

Theodoro wrote...

Do you guys think that eventually Liara and Javik will be able to get along and write that book together?

Assuming, of course, that after the defeat of the Reapers Javik hasn't committed suicide.

Yep.

Someone could write that book as a fanfic. Like it would be written by Liara/Javik. Could be interesting.

Modifié par Arcataye, 17 août 2012 - 04:55 .

[Theodoro]

Tipsyfresh wrote...

Theodoro wrote...

Do you guys think that eventually Liara and Javik will be able to get along and write that book together?

Assuming, of course, that after the defeat of the Reapers Javik hasn't committed suicide.

That depends on how Shepard handles Javik's memory shart(d). If you say you don't need to liven the past or something, Javik says later in priority earth that he might write a Book with Liara. 

I saw it on the wiki page once.

I'm a bit conflicted on that, because I want him to see what is in the memory shard, since I agree with what Shepard says and it would be worth any pain it might cause.

But that results in him wanting to commit suicide, and that's just wasted potential, since it would be very interesting to see Javik trying to become a part of galactic civilization after the Reaper war, something he hasn't really been able to before - even in his own cycle. And with that I think he would be able to write that book with Liara, too. It again provides potential not only for people to learn even more about the Protheans, but for him to understand more of the species of this cycle.

Modifié par Theodoro, 17 août 2012 - 04:53 .

[Tipsyfresh]

I agree@ theo

Even for my second playthrough I said the memories are worth the pain, but I wanted to try something different. It's like the dialog doesn't match the end result. I.e. if the memories are important and worth the pain, why not write the damn book after this is over instead of going hari Kari? Conflicted for sure.

[CrimsonN7]

doozer12 wrote...

Nope! Im not, apparently..  I'm just mentally disturbed and lost on BSN.  But I like the bar here so chances of me moving are slim.

Doozer and Hollow don't ever change, you two always make me smile^_^ Everyone needs a dose of crazy now and again and you two never fail to deliever:lol: I love zombie flicks so your Banshee love is pretty hilarious:D

All this banshee talk hmm I need a cute decoy fast...

[lillitheris]

Arcataye wrote...

Spacer: lived on ships and stations, never staying too long in one place.
Colonist: born and raised on Mindoir, family killed by slavers.
Earthborn: street orphan, escaped gang life by joining the Alliance.

None of them really care about Earth and it really annoyed me right from the start how much Shepard was all "Earth Earth Earth".

This is the wrong way to look at it; forcing a mold just as much as BW is.

It’s very possible for a spacer to care deeply about Earth, or an earthling not to. Ergo options should have been offered.

[DOsquareZER]

lillitheris wrote...

Arcataye wrote...

Spacer: lived on ships and stations, never staying too long in one place.
Colonist: born and raised on Mindoir, family killed by slavers.
Earthborn: street orphan, escaped gang life by joining the Alliance.

None of them really care about Earth and it really annoyed me right from the start how much Shepard was all "Earth Earth Earth".

This is the wrong way to look at it; forcing a mold just as much as BW is.

It’s very possible for a spacer to care deeply about Earth, or an earthling not to. Ergo options should have been offered.

Yea, agreed.  Impossible to appeal to everyones head canon i know - but the one "ZOMG SAVE EARTH" for all three was just ...bland.

Mumba1511 wrote...

About this whole Shepard and Earth
thing, I completely understand it, although it may be a bit repetitive
overtime. It makes sense.
You just have to as yourself. Let's say,
you're bloodline is Australian. But you were born and raised in the U.S.
Next thing you know, World war III starts and Australia is invaded.
Wouldn't you want to help defend Australia? Even if some parts of Europe
were bound to perish?
(probably a terrible analogy, but just feel like expressing my opinion).

And on this Banshee thing, real quick. It's bloody hilarious.

But
why is Earth the chosen one?  Sure I may have history there, but really
theres no personal tie to it that I can make sound more important than
any of the other systems/planets - Shepard is representing an entire
galaxy, earth is just a blip on the radar with that kind of view.  It
houses life, as do the other planets and it faces destruction just like
the other planets.  Worrying about Earth in a galaxy sized war just
seems a wee bit... selfish and short sighted.  The entire galaxies end
goals are the same, throwing my life away fighting on a hopeless front
is just.. wasted potential.

Modifié par doozer12, 17 août 2012 - 05:14 .

[DOsquareZER]

Err double post.  give me a moment, will fill in with blue.

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

Modifié par doozer12, 17 août 2012 - 05:17 .

[Tipsyfresh]

Nice save doozer

[CrimsonN7]

I always thought it was a bit odd for my canon Shep who is a Mindoir colonist when everyone was saying they saw the vids from earth and how sorry they felt for Shep... erm yeah I get it's humanities homeworld but Shep shouldn't have felt that overly attached. *Shrugs* that Shep would have spent more time travelling from planet to planet throughout the galaxy why all of a sudden is Earth being attacked such a kick in the nads for that Shep.

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 17 août 2012 - 05:23 .

[Arcataye]

lillitheris wrote...

This is the wrong way to look at it; forcing a mold just as much as BW is.

It’s very possible for a spacer to care deeply about Earth, or an earthling not to. Ergo options should have been offered.

I am deeply sorry that I might look at it the wrong way.
Simply stating that caring that much about Earth doesn't exactly fit even into Bioware's own description of Shepard's backgrounds.

CrimsonN7 wrote...
All this banshee talk hmm I need a cute decoy fast...
*snip cats*

*insert cat*
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Modifié par Arcataye, 17 août 2012 - 05:27 .