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[alex90c]

He also steals Liara's funny line from Ilos ¬_¬

[Kadzin]

alex90c wrote...

He also steals Liara's funny line from Ilos ¬_¬

And that is why I never take him with me on missions ever
Deal with it Kaidan!

[chazattack]

Hey, just dropping by to show my support for Liara.
I originally went with Liara because Kaidan was boring. Then I realised how awesome Liara is and wouldn't have it any other way

[Red Son Rising]

Kadzin wrote...

alex90c wrote...

He also steals Liara's funny line from Ilos ¬_¬

And that is why I never take him with me on missions ever
Deal with it Kaidan!
*snip*

the last time kaiden went anywhere w/ femshep

[alex90c]

Red Son Rising wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

alex90c wrote...

He also steals Liara's funny line from Ilos ¬_¬

And that is why I never take him with me on missions ever
Deal with it Kaidan!
*snip*

the last time kaiden went anywhere w/ femshep

Damn straight.

Speaking of the VS though, if Ashley survives I'm interested in seeing how she'll be with Liara in ME3; I always end up (can't remember what actually triggers it though) "flirting" with Ash so I get the confrontation, plus she's kinda prejudiced with aliens so I'm wondering if that'll play a part in ME3 or if maybe suddenly Ash's gone from a xenophobic, kinda tomboyish badass to fully tolerant of aliens + badass.


I mean I don't dislike Ashley, I thought the prejudice made for an interest quirk/Achilles' heel to her personality unlike Miranda's "i'm perfect"  (yeah we heard you the last 500 times) but I'm curious to see whether her views on races have changed

[f1r3storm]

Some blue love with my FemShep.


Made by Rana-E.

[TMA LIVE]

I don't do LOTSB before SM mainly because I want to get past recreating the night before Ilos. The romance is more then that. Shepard shouldn't have his way, and be with someone when he needs it. He needs to go through a moment where he's going on a suicide mission, and he feels alone. That there used to be a moment where something happened before such a thing, but right now, he's alone. He doesn't even know if Liara still loves him. But he still looks at her picture, and fights for her regardless.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 août 2011 - 02:00 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't do LOTSB before SM mainly because I want to get past recreating the night before Ilos. The romance is more then that. Shepard shouldn't have his way, and be with someone when he needs it. He needs to go through a moment where he's going on a suicide mission, and he feels alone. That there used to be a moment where something happened before such a thing, but right now, he's alone. He doesn't even know if Liara still loves him. But he still looks at her picture, and fights for her regardless.

That is a good way of putting it.

[Kadzin]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't do LOTSB before SM mainly because I want to get past recreating the night before Ilos. The romance is more then that. Shepard shouldn't have his way, and be with someone when he needs it. He needs to go through a moment where he's going on a suicide mission, and he feels alone. That there used to be a moment where something happened before such a thing, but right now, he's alone. He doesn't even know if Liara still loves him. But he still looks at her picture, and fights for her regardless.

That is a good way of putting it.

Yeah I agree on that TMA, I also prefer to do LotSb after the SM for pretty much the same reasoning.
Plus I like to hear Liara underline the fact that nobody died on that mission, cuz nobody died on Team Shepard... except for Ashley but that's a seperate case

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Kadzin wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't do LOTSB before SM mainly because I want to get past recreating the night before Ilos. The romance is more then that. Shepard shouldn't have his way, and be with someone when he needs it. He needs to go through a moment where he's going on a suicide mission, and he feels alone. That there used to be a moment where something happened before such a thing, but right now, he's alone. He doesn't even know if Liara still loves him. But he still looks at her picture, and fights for her regardless.

That is a good way of putting it.

Yeah I agree on that TMA, I also prefer to do LotSb after the SM for pretty much the same reasoning.
Plus I like to hear Liara underline the fact that nobody died on that mission, cuz nobody died on Team Shepard... except for Ashley but that's a seperate case

Ehh. I prefer when there was casuelties on the suicide mission. There is more emotions in the cabin scene then, Liara also tries to comfort Shepard abit more.

[kumquats]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't do LOTSB before SM mainly because I want to get past recreating the night before Ilos. The romance is more then that. Shepard shouldn't have his way, and be with someone when he needs it. He needs to go through a moment where he's going on a suicide mission, and he feels alone. That there used to be a moment where something happened before such a thing, but right now, he's alone. He doesn't even know if Liara still loves him. But he still looks at her picture, and fights for her regardless.

Are you talking about the whole DLC or just the Dinner part?

[pf17456]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't do LOTSB before SM mainly because I want to get past recreating the night before Ilos. The romance is more then that. Shepard shouldn't have his way, and be with someone when he needs it. He needs to go through a moment where he's going on a suicide mission, and he feels alone. That there used to be a moment where something happened before such a thing, but right now, he's alone. He doesn't even know if Liara still loves him. But he still looks at her picture, and fights for her regardless.

I can understand your reasoning on that as I've played it that way before but I'm left with wondering why Shepard would do all of those 'loyalty missions' to clear the minds of the crew while leaving unresolved issues with Liara. Like healing your team but leaving yourself wounded. So now I resolve issues with Liara first, as soon as I gain access to Illium. This way it's not like a rerun of Ilos, It's more like getting the Captian's head on straight and then taking care of everyone else. When Shepard looks at Liara's picture there is purpose, meaning and resolve. I kind of like that scenerio better.

[Red Son Rising]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't do LOTSB before SM mainly because I want to get past recreating the night before Ilos. The romance is more then that. Shepard shouldn't have his way, and be with someone when he needs it. He needs to go through a moment where he's going on a suicide mission, and he feels alone. That there used to be a moment where something happened before such a thing, but right now, he's alone. He doesn't even know if Liara still loves him. But he still looks at her picture, and fights for her regardless.

[meh] my femsheps relationship w/ liara helps make saving the galaxy something personal, not just an abstract goal. its about perspective, seeing the little picture and fighting for the big one [metaphorically speaking]
mordin's nephew - http://youtu.be/Uku98iKZ1OI?t=1m23s

[ladyvader]

Red Son Rising wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

alex90c wrote...

He also steals Liara's funny line from Ilos ¬_¬

And that is why I never take him with me on missions ever
Deal with it Kaidan!
*snip*

the last time kaiden went anywhere w/ femshep

My last ME playthough with my single femShep couldn't talk Wrex down and Ashley shot him in the back. 
So this picture is both Wrex and Ash.  I left Ash because she killed Wrex.  Even Kaidan was like WTH?? to Ash.

I usually do the actual SB mission before getting the IFF, but I do the cabin scene after the SM.  It gives Shepard someone to come back to.


And about the comment that many femShep's would have cheated on Liara if there was another female option in ME2.  I know I would not have been unfaithful.  I would have created another Shepard for the other fem option.  It's what I did for Tali.  I've had ME2 since it was released and we didn't get the LotSB until nine months later.  It was after the DLC was released is when I started playing more with my canon femShep and I created other Shepards to romance Liara.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 30 août 2011 - 03:53 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

pf17456 wrote...
I can understand your reasoning on that as I've played it that way before but I'm left with wondering why Shepard would do all of those 'loyalty missions' to clear the minds of the crew while leaving unresolved issues with Liara. Like healing your team but leaving yourself wounded. So now I resolve issues with Liara first, as soon as I gain access to Illium. This way it's not like a rerun of Ilos, It's more like getting the Captian's head on straight and then taking care of everyone else. When Shepard looks at Liara's picture there is purpose, meaning and resolve. I kind of like that scenerio better.

I cannot speak for TMA but I view LOTSB as something that happens happens between the end of ME2 (the suicide mission) and the beginning of ME3. LOTSB acts as an epilogue of sorts to ME2, along with Arrival of course. The only reason we have been granted the ability to do both of these early is simply for gameplay reasons and Bioware not wanting to completely restrict when you can start the DLC.

Which also leads me to ME2 itself. Usually the second act is where the characters are at their lowest. If the romance with Liara plays a part in Shepard's character (motivations to keep going, source of happiness etc.). Then it should make sense that the romance should be in trouble in the second act, with things not very well between Liara and Shepard. Doing LOTSB before the SM really undermines this, since it secures the romance between Liara and Shepard.

Shepard needs to be brought down to his lowest. Struggling alone in a tough situation. Unsure if there is anything between him and Liara anymore.

"EDIT"

Sorry if I am giving everyone a nasty case of Deja vu!

Modifié par Lizardviking, 30 août 2011 - 04:03 .

[Ophiskc]

ladyvader wrote...
And about the comment that many femShep's would have cheated on Liara if there was another female option in ME2.  I know I would not have been unfaithful.  I would have created another Shepard for the other fem option.

I second that, i wouldnt had the heart to do so, specially after knowing that thanks to her i'm alive again and the "because... i couldnt let you go" phrase, dialog that i got on my first game.
And to be honest, i just like Liara too much, i was sad with her ME2 cameo, but i had the hope that ME3 would be better and it would explain that... then Lotsb came and i was happy again

[Ophiskc]

f1r3storm wrote...

Some blue love with my FemShep.


Made by Rana-E.

Nice , more blue is always welcome

[TMA LIVE]

kumquats wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't do LOTSB before SM mainly because I want to get past recreating the night before Ilos. The romance is more then that. Shepard shouldn't have his way, and be with someone when he needs it. He needs to go through a moment where he's going on a suicide mission, and he feels alone. That there used to be a moment where something happened before such a thing, but right now, he's alone. He doesn't even know if Liara still loves him. But he still looks at her picture, and fights for her regardless.

Are you talking about the whole DLC or just the Dinner part?

The whole deal. I don't want Shepard to know if Liara still cares about him before the suicide mission. I want him to think that she might've moved on. But even so, on the night before his possible death, he still wants her, and he still thinks about her.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 août 2011 - 04:50 .

[TMA LIVE]

Red Son Rising wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't do LOTSB before SM mainly because I want to get past recreating the night before Ilos. The romance is more then that. Shepard shouldn't have his way, and be with someone when he needs it. He needs to go through a moment where he's going on a suicide mission, and he feels alone. That there used to be a moment where something happened before such a thing, but right now, he's alone. He doesn't even know if Liara still loves him. But he still looks at her picture, and fights for her regardless.

[meh] my femsheps relationship w/ liara helps make saving the galaxy something personal, not just an abstract goal. its about perspective, seeing the little picture and fighting for the big one [metaphorically speaking]
mordin's nephew - http://youtu.be/Uku98iKZ1OI?t=1m23s

That's what I mean. Instead of Mordin thinking about saving faceless people, he thinks about his Nephew.

In my Shepard's case, it's Liara.

The difference is, Mordin's relationship with his nephew is going well. With Shepard, it isn't. Unlike his crew, he's the one who's forced to move on, and leave things unfinished, despite the rest of his crew getting their business finished. He gave then what he couldn't get himself.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 août 2011 - 05:05 .

[pf17456]

Lizardviking wrote...
I cannot speak for TMA but I view LOTSB as something that happens happens between the end of ME2 (the suicide mission) and the beginning of ME3. LOTSB acts as an epilogue of sorts to ME2, along with Arrival of course. The only reason we have been granted the ability to do both of these early is simply for gameplay reasons and Bioware not wanting to completely restrict when you can start the DLC.

Which also leads me to ME2 itself. Usually the second act is where the characters are at their lowest. If the romance with Liara plays a part in Shepard's character (motivations to keep going, source of happiness etc.). Then it should make sense that the romance should be in trouble in the second act, with things not very well between Liara and Shepard. Doing LOTSB before the SM really undermines this, since it secures the romance between Liara and Shepard.

Shepard needs to be brought down to his lowest. Struggling alone in a tough situation. Unsure if there is anything between him and Liara anymore.

"EDIT"

Sorry if I am giving everyone a nasty case of Deja vu!

I suppose it's a matter of perspective. While I cannot disagree with you regarding the Arrival DLC I do consider Lotsb to be less of a' bridge' and an option included by BW to remedy the choppped up Illium scene they gave us in ME2 proper. As far as the' intended' purpose of a second act I considered being dead, working with Cerebrus and Horizion to be pretty low points for Shepard, not to even mention having to carry around the lie TIM tells you about Liara. I could accept the premise of doing the SB mission post CB but the game mechanics allow for it to occur much earlier, a gift perhaps, so why intentionally put the screws to Shepard and Liara when it's no longer necessary ? Plus it's Liara ! I don't think Shepard would ever put her on the back burner.

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
It's made easier by the fact that if you are playing femshep there are no other "females" available. It makes me wonder, pre-LotSB, how many would have cheated on Liara with Miranda/Jack/Tali if it had been an option.

My maleshep who loves Ash strayed with Miranda but he still loves Ash.

Not to start a flamewar. But I would say a helluva lot more Femsheps would have cheated on Liara  than what we see now, if any of the female options were open.

You look at Ash/Kaidan and alot of people left them in ME2 or at least cheated with plans on returning to them. The same goes for malesheps with Liara who hated her "change" and took up with Tali/Miranda/Jack. I'm not saying "everyone" would have cheated, there are true blue VS lovers out there, but its a little hard to brag about not cheating in game when you had no other options. 

I don't "think" my femshep would have strayed, but I'll never know for sure since ... oh, crap. I did with Kelly ... but that was strictly for the fish. Does that count? And if you tried with Samara would that count?  

[TMA LIVE]

And then, after beating the Collectors, he's finally free from Cerberus, and goes straight to Liara to help her out. He doesn't know if she has feelings for Feron, or if Shepard and Liara will ever be together again, but he helps her regardless, because he cares, and he's free to do it.

And then he finally gets her back. Leaving nothing to ruin anything. It's the happiest moment of his life. And he promises her that he'll always come back.

And then Arrival happens. Which breaks that promise.

[TMA LIVE]

pf17456 wrote...
 Plus it's Liara ! I don't think Shepard would ever put her on the back burner.

Liara put you on the back burner. In order to save Feron.

You saying Shepard can't be forced to do the same?

Besides, I roleplay that he never got the info to help Liara until after the suicide mission.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 août 2011 - 05:07 .

[PMC65]

TMA LIVE wrote...

And then, after beating the Collectors, he's finally free from Cerberus, and goes straight to Liara to help her out. He doesn't know if she has feelings for Feron, or if Shepard and Liara will ever be together again, but he helps her regardless, because he cares, and he's free to do it.

And then he finally gets her back. Leaving nothing to ruin anything. It's the happiest moment of his life. And he promises her that he'll always come back.

And then Arrival happens. Which breaks that promise.

I must confess that when I first played LotSB I really didn't want Shep to ask her if she was seeing Feron. In fact, the whole time I was wondering how Shep could somehow "off" the dude. Okay, maybe not kill him but I was worried that Bioware was about to pull the rug out from under Shepard.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

pf17456 wrote...
I suppose it's a matter of perspective. While I cannot disagree with you regarding the Arrival DLC I do consider Lotsb to be less of a' bridge' and an option included by BW to remedy the choppped up Illium scene they gave us in ME2 proper. As far as the' intended' purpose of a second act I considered being dead, working with Cerebrus and Horizion to be pretty low points for Shepard, not to even mention having to carry around the lie TIM tells you about Liara. I could accept the premise of doing the SB mission post CB but the game mechanics allow for it to occur much earlier, a gift perhaps, so why intentionally put the screws to Shepard and Liara when it's no longer necessary ?

Since the relationship started in ME1. It make sense that in ME2 is where the relationship at it lowest. With the question being raised if there is even any relationship anymore.

Plus it's Liara ! I don't think Shepard would ever put her on the back burner.

Would your Shepard delay the investigation of an imminent Reaper invasion to help Jacob get his daddy issues resolved?