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Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
It's made easier by the fact that if you are playing femshep there are no other "females" available. It makes me wonder, pre-LotSB, how many would have cheated on Liara with Miranda/Jack/Tali if it had been an option.

My maleshep who loves Ash strayed with Miranda but he still loves Ash.

Not to start a flamewar. But I would say a helluva lot more Femsheps would have cheated on Liara  than what we see now, if any of the female options were open.

Yeah, I agree. A lot of Femshep players made a big deal that they didn't move on way back when, and thus they were superior. Yet in reality, the only person they could move on to was Kelly, unless they were bi. And even then, Kelly doesn't kill the romance with Liara, and she doesn't know about it. And if you didn't like Kelly, but liked Miranda or Tali or Jack, and would have moved on if they were available? You were **** out of luck, and didn't move on, because you were locked out.

This isn't the same for everyone. I'm sure some would've stay faithful regardless of given options. But I bet a good number would've moved on if they were given options. Especially since we already know that the majority (80% of Liara romancers I think), moved on.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 août 2011 - 05:29 .

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PMC65 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
It's made easier by the fact that if you are playing femshep there are no other "females" available. It makes me wonder, pre-LotSB, how many would have cheated on Liara with Miranda/Jack/Tali if it had been an option.

My maleshep who loves Ash strayed with Miranda but he still loves Ash.

Not to start a flamewar. But I would say a helluva lot more Femsheps would have cheated on Liara  than what we see now, if any of the female options were open.

You look at Ash/Kaidan and alot of people left them in ME2 or at least cheated with plans on returning to them. The same goes for malesheps with Liara who hated her "change" and took up with Tali/Miranda/Jack. I'm not saying "everyone" would have cheated, there are true blue VS lovers out there, but its a little hard to brag about not cheating in game when you had no other options.

Exactly. Femshep/Liara is the only (real) F/F romance. There were no other options for such Femsheps.

I don't "think" my femshep would have strayed, but I'll never know for sure since ... oh, crap. I did with Kelly ... but that was strictly for the fish. Does that count? And if you tried with Samara would that count?  

Liara seems to not mind either of those. At worst I would imagine her giving a catty line (like with the consort) if Kelly/Samara mentions it.

[Lenimph]

*delurks*

<.< I think my Femshep would have "strayed" if Miranda was an f/f option in ME2... though I don't really consider that cheating. (Since Shep was dead and Liara pretty much convinced herself to move on) However if Miranda's an option in ME3 and you go for it after you tell Liara that you still want to be in a relationship with her well... that's f*cked up.

And obviously I've thought about this too much.

[ladyvader]

TMA LIVE wrote...

And then, after beating the Collectors, he's finally free from Cerberus, and goes straight to Liara to help her out. He doesn't know if she has feelings for Feron, or if Shepard and Liara will ever be together again, but he helps her regardless, because he cares, and he's free to do it.

And then he finally gets her back. Leaving nothing to ruin anything. It's the happiest moment of his life. And he promises her that he'll always come back.

And then Arrival happens. Which breaks that promise.

How does Arrival break the promise to Liara?

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TMA LIVE wrote...

pf17456 wrote...
 Plus it's Liara ! I don't think Shepard would ever put her on the back burner.

Liara put you on the back burner. In order to save Feron.

You saying Shepard can't be forced to do the same?

Besides, I roleplay that he never got the info to help Liara until after the suicide mission.

Liara was conflicted not unlike all of Shepard's squadmates. She needed help and the DLC allowed for that to happen, not necessairly as an afterthought.
The Shepard I play will always view Liara as a priority. Liara is Shepard's heart and soul, Feron or not.
As I said it's a matter of perspective.

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ladyvader wrote...

TMA_Live
And then Arrival happens. Which breaks that promise.

How does Arrival break the promise to Liara?

Something with having  to answer for 300000 people dead and an entire system destroyed. In what will obviously be a trial only there for show. With the most likely result being either execution or lifetime prison.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 30 août 2011 - 05:30 .

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Lizardviking wrote...

Something with having  to answer for 300000 people dead and an entire system destroyed. In what will obviously be a trial only there for show. With the most likely result being either execution or lifetime prison.

Shepard's going on trial, to be a escape goat for the Alliance. That alone tells me one thing:

If Shepard doesn't say one hell of a speech to save his ass, he's either going to A) Be sent to a batarian prison. Or Be executed. All to prevent war from happening.

And I promised Liara that "I'm always coming back."

Like that's going to happen, unless the Reapers invade.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 août 2011 - 05:34 .

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

TMA_Live
And then Arrival happens. Which breaks that promise.

How does Arrival break the promise to Liara?

Something with having  to answer for 300000 people dead and an entire system destroyed. In what will obviously be a trial only there for show. With the most likely result being either execution or lifetime prison.

That would be the case only if Shepard  turns him/herself in.  Shepard has honor and will do that, but in reality, Shepard could easily go to Liara at the base orbiting Hagalaz and no one would know Shepard was there.

I actually touch on that topic slightly in "Hard Choices".  That story is set after Arrival, but before ME3.  That chapter isn't posted yet, but I did touch on this topic.  

Also, remember Liara is the Shadow Broker.  She could easily get Shepard off by blackmailing the top brass of the Alliance if she wanted to do that.

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jreezy wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Something with having  to answer for 300000 people dead and an entire system destroyed. In what will obviously be a trial only there for show. With the most likely result being either execution or lifetime prison.

Shepard's going on trial, to be a escape goat for the Alliance. That alone tells me one thing:

If Shepard doesn't say one hell of a speech to save his ass, he's either going to A) Be sent to a batarian prison. Or Be executed. All to prevent war from happening.

And I promised Liara that "I'm always coming back."

Like that's going to happen, unless the Reapers invade.

Why would Shepard be sent to a Batarian prison?

For murdering 300, 000 Batarians because "The Reapers are coming" as his excuse?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 août 2011 - 05:43 .

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ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

TMA_Live
And then Arrival happens. Which breaks that promise.

How does Arrival break the promise to Liara?

Something with having  to answer for 300000 people dead and an entire system destroyed. In what will obviously be a trial only there for show. With the most likely result being either execution or lifetime prison.

That would be the case only if Shepard  turns him/herself in.  Shepard has honor and will do that, but in reality, Shepard could easily go to Liara at the base orbiting Hagalaz and no one would know Shepard was there.

I actually touch on that topic slightly in "Hard Choices".  That story is set after Arrival, but before ME3.  That chapter isn't posted yet, but I did touch on this topic.  

Also, remember Liara is the Shadow Broker.  She could easily get Shepard off by blackmailing the top brass of the Alliance if she wanted to do that.

Except if Shepard gets himself off the hook, it means war for the Alliance. The batarians want blood. And you can either blame the Alliance, or Shepard, who's flying in a Cerberus Ship.

That's why Shepard's turning himself in. He has to admit what he did, and hope to come out of it alive.

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ladyvader wrote...
]That would be the case only if Shepard  turns him/herself in.  Shepard has honor and will do that, but in reality, Shepard could easily go to Liara at the base orbiting Hagalaz and no one would know Shepard was there.

I actually touch on that topic slightly in "Hard Choices".  That story is set after Arrival, but before ME3.  That chapter isn't posted yet, but I did touch on this topic. 

In reality?

Shepard killed all the colonist in a star system. If the the Batarians don't get the person responsible for this, they will declare war on the Alliance. Shepard has to show up.

Also, remember Liara is the Shadow Broker.  She could easily get Shepard
off by blackmailing the top brass of the Alliance if she wanted to do
that.

What about all the Batarians citizen crying out for blood? Is Liara going to bribe them too?

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TMA LIVE wrote...
If Shepard doesn't say one hell of a speech
to save his ass, he's either going to A) Be sent to a batarian prison.
Or Be executed. All to prevent war from happening.

While Shepard is something of a smoothtalker. I do not think there is any way he can snake out of this one (short of a Reaper invasion). Everyone in the trial will be against him. Because they want Shepard as their scapegoat to appease the Batarians.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 30 août 2011 - 05:49 .

[Ophiskc]

Liara could give false information that Shep is dead already. We know that Shep will go to trial in ME3 but if that wouldnt be the case, i'm sure Liara could come up with something. Also a change of identity perhaps

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TMA LIVE wrote...

For murdering 300, 000 Batarians because "The Reapers are coming"?

Execution, Batarian prison? I don't think so.

I think they would try to lock the Commander away, but in a human prison or even better a sanitarium.
The trial is not about justice, it's about politics.

I'm very curious about Liara's reaction to the trial, it's a view months after Arrival, right?
I hope they talked about this.

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

Not to start a flamewar. But I would say a helluva lot more Femsheps would have cheated on Liara  than what we see now, if any of the female options were open.

Possibly, though I'd say that a lot of us liked Liara for Liara and aren't "only as faithful as our options".

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TMA LIVE wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

TMA_Live
And then Arrival happens. Which breaks that promise.

How does Arrival break the promise to Liara?

Something with having  to answer for 300000 people dead and an entire system destroyed. In what will obviously be a trial only there for show. With the most likely result being either execution or lifetime prison.

That would be the case only if Shepard  turns him/herself in.  Shepard has honor and will do that, but in reality, Shepard could easily go to Liara at the base orbiting Hagalaz and no one would know Shepard was there.

I actually touch on that topic slightly in "Hard Choices".  That story is set after Arrival, but before ME3.  That chapter isn't posted yet, but I did touch on this topic.  

Also, remember Liara is the Shadow Broker.  She could easily get Shepard off by blackmailing the top brass of the Alliance if she wanted to do that.

Except if Shepard gets himself off the hook, it means war for the Alliance. The batarians want blood. And you can either blame the Alliance, or Shepard, who's flying in a Cerberus Ship.

That's why Shepard's turning himself in. He has to admit what he did, and hope to come out of it alive.

Even Hackett said that the evidence was shoddy at best.  They will have to prove Shepard was there.  Since every Batarian died, how will they(batarians) pin this on Shepard?  The only people that knows for certain that Shepard was the one to destroy the Alpha Relay are those Alliance personal that left before Shepard did and were indoctrinated by Object Rho.

Even after playing Arrival, I never thought once, that Shepard would go to jail over what happened.  Most of my Shepards are still Spectres.  That in itself should allow Sheaprd to walk from this.

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TheMarshal wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Not to start a flamewar. But I would say a helluva lot more Femsheps would have cheated on Liara  than what we see now, if any of the female options were open.

Possibly, though I'd say that a lot of us liked Liara for Liara and aren't "only as faithful as our options".

I did not refer to anyone in this thread. The fact that we are even posting here shows that we are diehard Liara fans. I was refering to the common ME player. Even a few on BSN seems to confirm my statement.

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ladyvader wrote...
Even Hackett said that the evidence was shoddy at best.  They will have to prove Shepard was there.  Since every Batarian died, how will they(batarians) pin this on Shepard?  The only people that knows for certain that Shepard was the one to destroy the Alpha Relay are those Alliance personal that left before Shepard did and were indoctrinated by Object Rho.

Shepard introduced herself to Amanda Kenson when meeting her in the prison cell. The place had camaras recording the room. It is very likely that the video feed had been transfered to somewhere else in the 2 days when Shepard was drugged.

Even after playing Arrival, I never thought once, that Shepard would go to jail over what happened.  Most of my Shepards are still Spectres.  That in itself should allow Sheaprd to walk from this.

Saren lost spectre status for less.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 30 août 2011 - 05:57 .

[Korkki]

Hey! I accidentaly found this thread a little while ago and started reading it. I actually read all 193 pages and I was impressed that there was no one trolling or anything and when you guys had kinda argument or something it wasn't this normal "you're wrong i'm right you're stupid"-stuff or rageing, but instead you were able to settle things down as mature adults, even you had different opinions, and this is (as we all know) pretty rare on the internet. Guess there isn't much to argue about since we all no how awesome liara is

But anyways I finally thought that it is time for me to create BSN account and take part in your wonderful liara thread. So here's one new liara fan reporting in!

Oh, and of course the most important thing, here's something blue for you guys (guess you've already seen this one all of them but i'm still gonna post it:))



Hope it works

Edit: oh, it didn't work post editing screen shows it just fine what's wrong? Do they check all posted images before they are shown or something else i'm not aware of...

Modifié par Korkki, 30 août 2011 - 06:06 .

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The Batarians already caught a terrorist, who was an undercover Alliance agent. And then right after, boom. And Shepard's ship was the only one that came out.

And lets not forget, a shuttle flies off at the end of Arrival. So the batarians might have an Alliance agent for a witness, who's indoctrinated.

There's enough evidence against either Shepard or the Alliance. It depends on which to blame.

[TheMarshal]

jreezy wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
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Even after playing Arrival, I never thought once, that Shepard would go to jail over what happened.  Most of my Shepards are still Spectres.  That in itself should allow Sheaprd to walk from this. 

Not really. I don't know why most people get the impression that Spectres can do whatever they want and get away with it.

Exactly.  Spectres are there so that the Council can do two things:

1) Perform the dirty deeds that nobody should know about.
2) Have a scapegoat should those dirty deeds ever get discovered.

[ladyvader]

jreezy wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
*snip*
Even after playing Arrival, I never thought once, that Shepard would go to jail over what happened.  Most of my Shepards are still Spectres.  That in itself should allow Sheaprd to walk from this. 

Not really. I don't know why most people get the impression that Spectres can do whatever they want and get away with it.

Because it's been mentioned by Spectres.  Vasir's comments that Spectres do kill innocents, the Council may complain, but they never do anything about it.  Especially if it saves more lives versus those that were killed. 

How many innocents do you think Saren killed before getting the boot  because of what happened on Eden Prime?  I would say plenty and he was one of their top agents.

Shepard killed 305,000 batarians to save trillions.