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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...
Because it's been mentioned by Spectres.  Vasir's comments that Spectres do kill innocents, the Council may complain, but they never do anything about it.  Especially if it saves more lives versus those that were killed. 

How many innocents do you think Saren killed before getting the boot  because of what happened on Eden Prime?  I would say plenty and he was one of their top agents.

Shepard killed 305,000 batarians to save trillions. 

Most of Saren's missions were (most likely) authorised by the council. Unlike what Shepard did in Arrival (or what Saren did on Eden prime).

Because Shepard's actions has serious political ramifications. That could easily cause a headache the council does not want. Exactly the same with what happend in ME1 with Saren.

Because there is a diffrence between blowing up a refinery on some backwater planet, and blowing up an entire colony.

[TMA LIVE]

TheMarshal wrote...

jreezy wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
*snip*
Even after playing Arrival, I never thought once, that Shepard would go to jail over what happened.  Most of my Shepards are still Spectres.  That in itself should allow Sheaprd to walk from this. 

Not really. I don't know why most people get the impression that Spectres can do whatever they want and get away with it.

Exactly.  Spectres are there so that the Council can do two things:

1) Perform the dirty deeds that nobody should know about.
2) Have a scapegoat should those dirty deeds ever get discovered.

Exactly. The Council might just remove your Spectre status right after, and consider you nothing but another rogue agent, in order to save their own asses.

[jtav]

The problem is the Council never believed trillions were in danger.

I think Spectre reinstatement should have been off the table if they wanted an Earth trial. And Shepard should be tried as a civilian.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
Because it's been mentioned by Spectres.  Vasir's comments that Spectres do kill innocents, the Council may complain, but they never do anything about it.  Especially if it saves more lives versus those that were killed. 

How many innocents do you think Saren killed before getting the boot  because of what happened on Eden Prime?  I would say plenty and he was one of their top agents.

Shepard killed 305,000 batarians to save trillions. 

Most of Saren's missions were (most likely) authorised by the council. Unlike what Shepard did in Arrival (or what Saren did on Eden prime).

Because Shepard's actions has serious political ramifications. That could easily cause a headache the council does not want. Exactly the same with what happend in ME1 with Saren.

Because there is a diffrence between blowing up a refinery on some backwater planet, and blowing up an entire colony.

Especially when your reasons behind such actions of subjective. Shepard doesn't have evidence that his actions are justified.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 août 2011 - 06:13 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Korkki wrote...

Hey! I accidentaly found this thread a little while ago and started reading it. I actually read all 193 pages and I was impressed that there was no one trolling or anything and when you guys had kinda argument or something it wasn't this normal "you're wrong i'm right you're stupid"-stuff or rageing, but instead you were able to settle things down as mature adults, even you had different opinions, and this is (as we all know) pretty rare on the internet. Guess there isn't much to argue about since we all no how awesome liara is

But anyways I finally thought that it is time for me to create BSN account and take part in your wonderful liara thread. So here's one new liara fan reporting in!

Oh, and of course the most important thing, here's something blue for you guys (guess you've already seen this one all of them but i'm still gonna post it:))



Hope it works

Edit: oh, it didn't work post editing screen shows it just fine what's wrong? Do they check all posted images before they are shown or something else i'm not aware of...

PIC seems to work.

And glad you are enjoying this thread! :happy:

[ladyvader]

TMA LIVE wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

jreezy wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
*snip*
Even after playing Arrival, I never thought once, that Shepard would go to jail over what happened.  Most of my Shepards are still Spectres.  That in itself should allow Sheaprd to walk from this. 

Not really. I don't know why most people get the impression that Spectres can do whatever they want and get away with it.

Exactly.  Spectres are there so that the Council can do two things:

1) Perform the dirty deeds that nobody should know about.
2) Have a scapegoat should those dirty deeds ever get discovered.

Exactly. The Council might just remove your Spectre status right after, and consider you nothing but another rogue agent, in order to save their own asses.

I'm not so sure about that.  It seems that still being a Spectre is going to be key in ME3 for those that are still a Spectre.

I still want to know what evidence that both the Alliance and batarians have on Shepard.  Outside of those on the Normandy, only Hackett knows for a fact that Shepard was even there.  

Does Hackett turn over that intel?  I highly doubt it.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...
I'm not so sure about that.  It seems that still being a Spectre is going to be key in ME3 for those that are still a Spectre.

I still want to know what evidence that both the Alliance and batarians have on Shepard.  Outside of those on the Normandy, only Hackett knows for a fact that Shepard was even there.  

Does Hackett turn over that intel?  I highly doubt it.

To quote myself from last page.

Shepard introduced herself to Amanda Kenson when meeting her in the
prison cell. The place had camaras recording the room. It is very likely
that the video feed had been transfered to somewhere else in the 2 days
when Shepard was drugged.

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
I'm not so sure about that.  It seems that still being a Spectre is going to be key in ME3 for those that are still a Spectre.

I still want to know what evidence that both the Alliance and batarians have on Shepard.  Outside of those on the Normandy, only Hackett knows for a fact that Shepard was even there.  

Does Hackett turn over that intel?  I highly doubt it.

To quote myself from last page.

Shepard introduced herself to Amanda Kenson when meeting her in the
prison cell. The place had camaras recording the room. It is very likely
that the video feed had been transfered to somewhere else in the 2 days
when Shepard was drugged.

Point taken.  But also think about this.  While at the Project Rho base, there are many data pads with Kenson talking about the Reapers and the project itself.  Those also could be used as evidence to prove the Reaper threat is quite real and Shepard's actions are justifiled.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...
]Point taken.  But also think about this.  While at the Project Rho base, there are many data pads with Kenson talking about the Reapers and the project itself.  Those also could be used as evidence to prove the Reaper threat is quite real and Shepard's actions are justifiled.

Shepard has a bad habit of forgetting to record what he sees and hears. So do not count on it.

[Korkki]

Lizardviking wrote...

Korkki wrote...

Hey! I accidentaly found this thread a little while ago and started reading it. I actually read all 193 pages and I was impressed that there was no one trolling or anything and when you guys had kinda argument or something it wasn't this normal "you're wrong i'm right you're stupid"-stuff or rageing, but instead you were able to settle things down as mature adults, even you had different opinions, and this is (as we all know) pretty rare on the internet. Guess there isn't much to argue about since we all no how awesome liara is

But anyways I finally thought that it is time for me to create BSN account and take part in your wonderful liara thread. So here's one new liara fan reporting in!

Oh, and of course the most important thing, here's something blue for you guys (guess you've already seen this one all of them but i'm still gonna post it:))



Hope it works

Edit: oh, it didn't work post editing screen shows it just fine what's wrong? Do they check all posted images before they are shown or something else i'm not aware of...

PIC seems to work.

And glad you are enjoying this thread! :happy:

For some reason I couldn't see it in my own post but I can see it now in your post, hmm.. weird. well nevermind, good to know it's working though, so my image linking skills aren't that bad after all

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
]Point taken.  But also think about this.  While at the Project Rho base, there are many data pads with Kenson talking about the Reapers and the project itself.  Those also could be used as evidence to prove the Reaper threat is quite real and Shepard's actions are justifiled.

Shepard has a bad habit of forgetting to record what he sees and hears. So do not count on it.

I wanted to keep those actually.  Too bad we were not given that option.  Starting from the one in the med bay that stated that Shepard had been sedated for two days. 

I love this picture.

[Ophiskc]

Okay, i just saw something that could be a damn spoiler or a person taking drugs, but neverless interesting.
Jump my post if you dont want to read
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/5543796/1

There are 2 points that took my attention:

1) "The terminus races will be recruited by bringing them under the banner of Omega. This will be done in one of two ways. You will either side with Aria and unite the Terminus systems under her banner, or you will side with Cerebus bringing some of Cerebus' *experimental anti-Reaper* technology with them. Either way, you will either need to kill Aria, or the Illusive man. Cerberus would have joined the fight anyway, but would fight on their own, if you side with Aria, you will have to take them out. If you side with Aria, you can still access the anti-reaper tech  for the final battle through Liara (LoTSB)."

2) "I really didn't want to mention this, since I wanted to leave at least a bit of a surprise, but I will tell you this.

Think the Saren fight and the Harbinger "assuming direct control" thing, but on steroids. Also remember, the reapers' ability to dominate a person is directly proportional to their distance to the target. Meaning that at close range, they can assume control of many avatars. Yes, I said avatars. You don't really think the reapers don't notice all those teammates of yours, do you?

Also, the reason 'recovering' a LI will be easy is because the reapers know that getting to humans through loved ones is a known weakness. What better way to spite Shepard then to make him kill the one(s) he/she loves?"
__________________________________________

The last one is very alarming, thoughts?

Modifié par Ophiskc, 30 août 2011 - 06:35 .

[alex90c]

Ophiskc wrote...

Okay, i just saw something that could be a damn spoiler or a person taking drugs, but neverless interesting.
Jump my post if you dont want to read
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/5543796/1

There are 2 points that took my attention:

1)
"The terminus races will be recruited by bringing them under the banner
of Omega. This will be done in one of two ways. You will either side
with Aria and unite the Terminus systems under her banner, or you will
side with Cerebus bringing some of Cerebus' *experimental anti-Reaper*
technology with them. Either way, you will either need to kill Aria, or
the Illusive man. Cerberus would have joined the fight anyway, but would
fight on their own, if you side with Aria, you will have to take them
out. If you side with Aria, you can still access the anti-reaper tech  for the final battle through Liara (LoTSB)."

2) "I really didn't want to mention this, since I wanted to leave at least a bit of a surprise, but I will tell you this.

Think
the Saren fight and the Harbinger "assuming direct control" thing, but
on steroids. Also remember, the reapers' ability to dominate a person is
directly proportional to their distance to the target. Meaning that at
close range, they can assume control of many avatars. Yes, I said
avatars. You don't really think the reapers don't notice all those
teammates of yours, do you?

Also, the reason 'recovering' a LI
will be easy is because the reapers know that getting to humans through
loved ones is a known weakness. What better way to spite Shepard then to
make him kill the one(s) he/she loves?"
__________________________________________

The last one is very alarming, thoughts?

The only thought going through my mind is that if anything serious happens to Liara my Mass Effect 3 experience is going to be screwed beyond recognition.

Modifié par alex90c, 30 août 2011 - 06:35 .

[Ophiskc]

alex90c wrote...
The only thought going through my mind is that if anything serious happens to Liara my Mass Effect 3 experience is going to be screwed beyond recognition.

I agree, it would be very cheap move from Bioware if they would come up with something like that, so i dont really believe it

[Red Son Rising]

Ophiskc wrote...

Okay, i just saw something that could be a damn spoiler or a person taking drugs, but neverless interesting.
Jump my post if you dont want to read

post in that thread then try not to lose any sleep over it. the whole post is drivel anyway, just fanfic ramblings pulled from thin air

[alex90c]

Ophiskc wrote...

alex90c wrote...
The only thought going through my mind is that if anything serious happens to Liara my Mass Effect 3 experience is going to be screwed beyond recognition.

I agree, it would be very cheap move from Bioware if they would come up with something like that, so i dont really believe it

I'm cool with it as long as it's avoidable if we work hard enough, just how you could lose everyone + Shepard in the suicide mission if you messed things up that badly somehow, but then if you took the time to upgrade the Normandy and secure the loyalty of your squadmates then you would be able to get them to survive.

If however, we've been steamrollering through the game and obliterated half a reaper fleet and then one random reaper falls down in to the atmosphere while Shep and Liara are casually walking along and she gets crushed in the wreckage, then I'm gonna be pissed. It's unavoidable events which made me hate Hawke and DA2 so badly, one thing I really like about the ME series is you can fix things if you work hard enough for them, such as getting enough paragon/renegade to diffuse the situation with Wrex at Virmire, or if you get him his family armour he sticks with you anyway. I didn't mind stuff like that; you had a chance of screwing up, but then at the same time if you made the effort you would see things through while remaining in one piece.

[ladyvader]

The fact that thread is eight months old and BioWare never locked it makes me think that everything posted by the OP is BS. If that is what is going to happen in ME3, that thread would have been deleted by now.

Since it is not, it's total garbage to me.

Some of what was posted made zero sense. Especially the LI part. Not every Shepard has a LI. I have one that is single.

[Kadzin]

Ophiskc wrote...

alex90c wrote...
The only thought going through my mind is that if anything serious happens to Liara my Mass Effect 3 experience is going to be screwed beyond recognition.

I agree, it would be very cheap move from Bioware if they would come up with something like that, so i dont really believe it

I don't think (and certainly hope) that they wouldn't do such a thing.

[Ophiskc]

Red Son Rising wrote...
just fanfic ramblings pulled from thin air

I agree, but even being a guess from someone, can be an opening for a healthy discussion.

For example Liara getting Cerverus tech and information, could be the trigger for them to attack her and the reason she's with you as a squadmate in ME3.

Or that if you would leave Liara on the Normandy on the last battle, or taking her with you regardless if there's a chance for her to become indocrinated

[kumquats]

Ilgar92 wrote...

In my canon pt, I  installed lotsb after i finished the main game.After finishing lotsb i installed Arrival. Simple.
And fits Bioware's canon.

I agree, but on the other hand. I don't think they will import in ME3 when you played the DLCs. I think the only important part is how you leave your relationship with Liara. Love, friendship or professional.
In Arrival I think the only difference will be if you called for the Normandy or if you tried to warn the Batarians.

But if you played Arrival and LotSB pre or post SM will be irrelevant for ME3. That's at least what I think.

[ladyvader]

Ophiskc wrote...

Red Son Rising wrote...
just fanfic ramblings pulled from thin air

I agree, but even being a guess from someone, can be an opening for a healthy discussion.

For example Liara getting Cerverus tech and information, could be the trigger for them to attack her and the reason she's with you as a squadmate in ME3.

Or that if you would leave Liara on the Normandy on the last battle, or taking her with you regardless if there's a chance for her to become indocrinated

If Liara gets indocrinated, I will be reloading my save and pick someone else instead of Liara. 

And another thing about that thread.  The OP says that Shepard will have to choose between helping Aria or Cerberus.  Which again is total BS because over the past three months, BioWare has said the Cerberus is after Shepard.  Even the game play demos confirm this.  Every enemy we have seen so far has been Cerberus.

[Robhuzz]

I asked Liara about the shadow broker in my latest playthrough, when she turned around to talk about the whole event, she suddenly looked blue again. Due to the horrible lighting in her Illium office, she always looks grey-ish. Took a screenshot of it, just because there's too little blue on this page.

So am I the only one who finds Shepard's response to Liara's "I couldn't let you go..." absolutely horrible? Liara wanted Shepard back (either because she loves him or just cares about him as a friend) and Shepard can only talk about his darn mission. At those moments I just want to hit Shepard and hug Liara myself...

The only thought going through my mind is that if anything serious happens to Liara my Mass Effect 3 experience is going to be screwed beyond recognition.

That last point is total crap. They're assuming reapers use psycological warfare to break the humans while they are Ai's. They would be going for the most logical approach which is to just take out everything. A true (evil) adversary would use ditry tricks (like using loved ones against you) to beat the good guys. Reapers just use full power to crush everything in their way, turning dead bodies into husks to supplement their ground soldiers. The idea of indoctrinating Shep's LI just for the purpose of breaking him is just stupid and, like the entire thread, pulled from thin air.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 30 août 2011 - 07:04 .

[kumquats]

I know this feeling, but Horizon is far worse than Illium. At least I can get a little fun out of Illium.

[Red Son Rising]

this thread just got liara facepalm worthy in a hurry

let it go ppl, its a dead topic full of non-spoilers that dont make any sense at all.