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[Ophiskc]

ladyvader wrote...

And another thing about that thread.  The OP says that Shepard will have to choose between helping Aria or Cerberus.  Which again is total BS because over the past three months, BioWare has said the Cerberus is after Shepard.  Even the game play demos confirm this.  Every enemy we have seen so far has been Cerberus.

Yes, but is quite of peculiar that in the new comics Aria is fighting against Cerberus, maybe will not be our choice, but having Aria as an ally in Me3 is a possibility, and her reuniting the Terminus systems would be awesome, so we dont have to lose time trying to convince the Batarians after Arrival mess, that time we can be on Thessia instead

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Modifié par Ophiskc, 30 août 2011 - 07:08 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
So am I the only one who finds Shepard's response to Liara's "I couldn't let you go..." absolutely horrible? Liara wanted Shepard back (either because she loves him or just cares about him as a friend) and Shepard can only talk about his darn mission. At those moments I just want to hit Shepard and hug Liara myself...

That part of the cameo is by far the worse part. Mostly because Bioware railroads Shepard to be completely indiffrent against Liara. The romance should actually re-start at that point if Shepard was given a proper response. But because they want to hold the suspense they force Shepard to act like an idiot.

What really annoyed is how many people cheated on her because they felt Liara was cold. When they bother to think that Shepard's responses (I have mentioned this before) are completely ****.

[ladyvader]

Red Son Rising wrote...

this thread just got liara facepalm worthy in a hurry

let it go ppl, its a dead topic full of non-spoilers that dont make any sense at all.

I see your facepalm and I will raise it to two.

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
So am I the only one who finds Shepard's response to Liara's "I couldn't let you go..." absolutely horrible? Liara wanted Shepard back (either because she loves him or just cares about him as a friend) and Shepard can only talk about his darn mission. At those moments I just want to hit Shepard and hug Liara myself...

That part of the cameo is by far the worse part. Mostly because Bioware railroads Shepard to be completely indiffrent against Liara. The romance should actually re-start at that point if Shepard was given a proper response. But because they want to hold the suspense they force Shepard to act like an idiot.

What really annoyed is how many people cheated on her because they felt Liara was cold. When they bother to think that Shepard's responses (I have mentioned this before) are completely ****.

Shepard's responses are indeed as cold or even colder than Liara during the cameo. You're sitting in front of an Asari who loves you very much, saved your life for the miniscule chance that a terrorist organisation could bring you back, and Shepard talks about the importance of the mission...<_<

I guess at this point it becomes noticable that BioWare already planned for Liara's romance to be continued in a DLC by the time the game was released. Apart from the kiss instead of hug there's no difference between romanced and non romanced Liara's interaction with Shepard. I'd still like to think Liara has to work pretty hard to hide her feelings for Shepard at this point. I usually rp this part as such and add a little headcanon to make the Illium cameo more tolerable until I start Lotsb.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 30 août 2011 - 07:13 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
I guess at this point it becomes noticable that BioWare already planned for Liara's romance to be continued in a DLC by the time the game was released. Apart from the kiss instead of hug there's no difference between romanced and non romanced Liara's interaction with Shepard. I'd still like to think Liara has to work pretty hard to hide her feelings for Shepard at this point. I usually rp this part as such and add a little headcanon to make the Illium cameo more tolerable until I start Lotsb.

I just skip the dialog entirely. Problem solved, and I get better dialog in LOTSB.

[Korkki]

ladyvader wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

Red Son Rising wrote...
just fanfic ramblings pulled from thin air

I agree, but even being a guess from someone, can be an opening for a healthy discussion.

For example Liara getting Cerverus tech and information, could be the trigger for them to attack her and the reason she's with you as a squadmate in ME3.

Or that if you would leave Liara on the Normandy on the last battle, or taking her with you regardless if there's a chance for her to become indocrinated

If Liara gets indocrinated, I will be reloading my save and pick someone else instead of Liara. 

And another thing about that thread.  The OP says that Shepard will have to choose between helping Aria or Cerberus.  Which again is total BS because over the past three months, BioWare has said the Cerberus is after Shepard.  Even the game play demos confirm this.  Every enemy we have seen so far has been Cerberus.

Also makes me wonder that if reapers power of indocrination is now so great that they can just indocrinate your squad members like that why not just simply indocrinate shepard? with him/her gone there wouldn't be any one to unite the galaxy and reapers could basicly just kill everyone and everything.

And about the gameplay demo, I agree with you, that cerberus is just after shepard or indocrinated and working for the reapers or both. In that demo shown in BWTV silverman says in the beginning something like that cerberus troops are trying to kill krogan female and through that trying to prevent the krogan and salarians uniting or something like that, correct me if I'm wrong. In that same demo liara also says something about cerberus troops to shepard and shepard replies that they are indocrinated.

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
I guess at this point it becomes noticable that BioWare already planned for Liara's romance to be continued in a DLC by the time the game was released. Apart from the kiss instead of hug there's no difference between romanced and non romanced Liara's interaction with Shepard. I'd still like to think Liara has to work pretty hard to hide her feelings for Shepard at this point. I usually rp this part as such and add a little headcanon to make the Illium cameo more tolerable until I start Lotsb.

I just skip the dialog entirely. Problem solved, and I get better dialog in LOTSB.

I never pick that dialogue option myself, just now after making a perm save. I just like the 'Because I couldn't let you go' part a great deal. I think I like it equally much as 'I didn't know who you'd be if you came back. If you'd feel...'

[alex90c]

Robhuzz wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
So am I the only one who finds Shepard's response to Liara's "I couldn't let you go..." absolutely horrible? Liara wanted Shepard back (either because she loves him or just cares about him as a friend) and Shepard can only talk about his darn mission. At those moments I just want to hit Shepard and hug Liara myself...

That part of the cameo is by far the worse part. Mostly because Bioware railroads Shepard to be completely indiffrent against Liara. The romance should actually re-start at that point if Shepard was given a proper response. But because they want to hold the suspense they force Shepard to act like an idiot.

What really annoyed is how many people cheated on her because they felt Liara was cold. When they bother to think that Shepard's responses (I have mentioned this before) are completely ****.

Shepard's responses are indeed as cold or even colder than Liara during the cameo. You're sitting in front of an Asari who loves you very much, saved your life for the miniscule chance that a terrorist organisation could bring you back, and Shepard talks about the importance of the mission...<_<

I guess at this point it becomes noticable that BioWare already planned for Liara's romance to be continued in a DLC by the time the game was released. Apart from the kiss instead of hug there's no difference between romanced and non romanced Liara's interaction with Shepard. I'd still like to think Liara has to work pretty hard to hide her feelings for Shepard at this point. I usually rp this part as such and add a little headcanon to make the Illium cameo more tolerable until I start Lotsb.

I was lucky to be able to get Mass Effect 2 after all the DLCs had been done, I kinda feel sorry for people who romanced Liara pre-LotSB because that cameo would have just been, like ... really unsatisfying. 

In other news, my mate who got ME2 recently completed it a few days back and said Liara was awesome.

Modifié par alex90c, 30 août 2011 - 07:16 .

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
So am I the only one who finds Shepard's response to Liara's "I couldn't let you go..." absolutely horrible? Liara wanted Shepard back (either because she loves him or just cares about him as a friend) and Shepard can only talk about his darn mission. At those moments I just want to hit Shepard and hug Liara myself...

That part of the cameo is by far the worse part. Mostly because Bioware railroads Shepard to be completely indiffrent against Liara. The romance should actually re-start at that point if Shepard was given a proper response. But because they want to hold the suspense they force Shepard to act like an idiot.

What really annoyed is how many people cheated on her because they felt Liara was cold. When they bother to think that Shepard's responses (I have mentioned this before) are completely ****.

I didn't even ask Liara about the Shadow Broker, I picked the left upper instead of the left lower.  You only get the one time at it too.  

Yes, Liara was cold.  But she did seem very happy to see Shepard at the point.  Liara gave Shepard a better greeting then what Shepard recieved from the VS on Horizon.  Being called a tratior was enough for me to cheat on both Ash and Kaidan with my Shepard that was with them.  

If Liara was cold then what would you call the reaction Shepard got from the VS?

Also look at the horrid interaction with Ash/Kaidan on Horizon.  Shepard look more of an idiot there then on Illium.

[ladyvader]

I love Evil Chris.

The guy that posted his nonsense eight months ago is now bragging about how what he said is bearing fruit.  Which people are ragging on him for but this was Evil Chris' response.

Chris Priestly wrote...

Congratulations. From what you currently know, it appears that a very small amount of your random guesses have some validity.

Here, have a "best guess" bisquit.



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[Robhuzz]

ladyvader wrote...

I love Evil Chris.

The guy that posted his nonsense eight months ago is now bragging about how what he said is bearing fruit.  Which people are ragging on him for but this was Evil Chris' response.

Chris Priestly wrote...

Congratulations. From what you currently know, it appears that a very small amount of your random guesses have some validity.

Here, have a "best guess" bisquit.



[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Gotta love Evil Chris for useful remarks like those.

If Liara was cold then what would you call the reaction Shepard got from the VS?

Also look at the horrid interaction with Ash/Kaidan on Horizon.  Shepard look more of an idiot there then on Illium.

At that point the VS was already indoctrinated (By the council mind you, not the Reapers) so I can understand that. Shepard did come across as an idiot though. We should've had a few proper dialogue options right there. I wanted Shepard to say he's working WITH not FOR Cerberus at the moment because they're the only ones who have the resources and are committed to protecting humans, something the alliance is failing to do. Simply but truthful explanation, instead we have to defend ourselves from petty charges and don't even get to properly explain the situation.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 30 août 2011 - 07:30 .

[Ophiskc]

That made my day

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...

I didn't even ask Liara about the Shadow Broker, I picked the left upper instead of the left lower.  You only get the one time at it too.  

Yes, Liara was cold.  But she did seem very happy to see Shepard at the point.  Liara gave Shepard a better greeting then what Shepard recieved from the VS on Horizon.  Being called a tratior was enough for me to cheat on both Ash and Kaidan with my Shepard that was with them. 

All the ME1's LI cameos are bad.  And Horizon/Illium needs a rewrite. I think the VS being hurt over Shepard apparently faking his/her own death to work with Cerberus is understandable and natrual. But the VS's just come off as somewhat irational in the way the scene is written.

And while I did cheat on Kaidan on my Renegade shepard with Garrus in said Shepard's first ME2 playthrough. I only did it for the achievment really. I stayed loyal in subsequent playthroughs. Guess I am too much of a kaidan fan.

If Liara was cold then what would you call the reaction Shepard got from the VS?

Also look at the horrid interaction with Ash/Kaidan on Horizon.  Shepard look more of an idiot there then on Illium.

I would call the VS's reaction emotional. Which is in a twisted way better than getting the cold shoulder, atleast they show that they cared in way.

I think Shepard's behavior on Illium worse in a way since Liara was not going anywhere, nor did Shepard have to defend himself from accusations. There was nothing stopping Shepard fromt confronting Liara about the relationship/Her vendetta against the SB.

[Ophiskc]

Lizardviking wrote...
I would call the VS's reaction emotional. Which is in a twisted way better than getting the cold shoulder, atleast they show that they cared in way.

I think Shepard's behavior on Illium worse in a way since Liara was not going anywhere, nor did Shepard have to defend himself from accusations. There was nothing stopping Shepard fromt confronting Liara about the relationship/Her vendetta against the SB.

The VS's reaction makes kind of sense to me, i mean, Shepard is back and s/he dont even bother to send a message or something to a person that was suppose you had something serious with. Like Shepard didnt even cared.

At least Liara knew Shep was alive already, she was just afraid that s/he would hate her for giving the body to Cerberus. Neverless Shep also acted strange with Liara. Those scenes could have been handled better

Modifié par Ophiskc, 30 août 2011 - 07:39 .

[Korkki]

Ophiskc wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
I would call the VS's reaction emotional. Which is in a twisted way better than getting the cold shoulder, atleast they show that they cared in way.

I think Shepard's behavior on Illium worse in a way since Liara was not going anywhere, nor did Shepard have to defend himself from accusations. There was nothing stopping Shepard fromt confronting Liara about the relationship/Her vendetta against the SB.

The VS's reaction makes kind of sense to me, i mean, Shepard is back and s/he dont even bother to send a message or something to a person that was suppose you had something serious with. Like Shepard didnt even cared.

At least Liara knew Shep was alive already, she was just afraid that s/he would hate her for giving the body to Cerberus. Neverless Shep also acted strange with Liara. Those scenes could have been handled better

I think that it's also important to remember that Shep was dead for little over two years, being rebuilt by cerberus and when s/he finally wakes up only thing he knows is that VS is on a somekind of highly classified mission. There really wasn't too much opportunities for Shep to contact VS and I guess every message Shep sent or recieved on the Normady SR2 went through cerberus channels and TIM wasn't especially eager to inform alliance about anything, so maybe Shep couldn't have inform VS even if he wanted.

But what I really find annoying is that you really can't tell VS that you don't trust cerberus and you are not working for them. They rebuilt you and they are the only ones who are actually willing to do something about this collector/reaper thing but you still don't trust them. only thing you can say is that "too much time had passed, I didn't want to bother you" and other two options were just as bad

Edit: well maybe Shep could've sent a message for VS if he really wanted, for example telling Anderson to give a message for VS or something but still the whole situation is kinda hectic and confusing for Shep (being gone for 2 years, all friends and squad members gone etc.)

Modifié par Korkki, 30 août 2011 - 08:05 .

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I didn't even ask Liara about the Shadow Broker, I picked the left upper instead of the left lower.  You only get the one time at it too.  

Yes, Liara was cold.  But she did seem very happy to see Shepard at the point.  Liara gave Shepard a better greeting then what Shepard recieved from the VS on Horizon.  Being called a tratior was enough for me to cheat on both Ash and Kaidan with my Shepard that was with them. 

All the ME1's LI cameos are bad.  And Horizon/Illium needs a rewrite. I think the VS being hurt over Shepard apparently faking his/her own death to work with Cerberus is understandable and natrual. But the VS's just come off as somewhat irational in the way the scene is written.

And while I did cheat on Kaidan on my Renegade shepard with Garrus in said Shepard's first ME2 playthrough. I only did it for the achievment really. I stayed loyal in subsequent playthroughs. Guess I am too much of a kaidan fan.

If Liara was cold then what would you call the reaction Shepard got from the VS?

Also look at the horrid interaction with Ash/Kaidan on Horizon.  Shepard look more of an idiot there then on Illium.

I would call the VS's reaction emotional. Which is in a twisted way better than getting the cold shoulder, atleast they show that they cared in way.

I think Shepard's behavior on Illium worse in a way since Liara was not going anywhere, nor did Shepard have to defend himself from accusations. There was nothing stopping Shepard fromt confronting Liara about the relationship/Her vendetta against the SB.

This is where we disagree.  I felt that Shepard's reaction on Horizon was worse than Illium.  After Shepard got their ass handed to them by the VS, for me anyway, Shepard was solely focused on the mission that Liara not wanting to help Shepard wasn't that big of a deal.  The only old squad members that was willing to help Shepard at that point are Tali and Garrus.  Even Wrex wouldn't come along either.  

I helped Liara every way possible even got a little annoyed with the renegade points I recieved for it.  My canon femShep is a paragon.  That is what bother her the most.  

The VS getting all bent about not recieveing a message after Shepard woke up is just wrong.  Hell, even spacer Shepard didn't contact their mom and got chew out by mom for it too.

[Boom_Flame]

Korkki wrote...
But what I really find annoying is that you really can't tell VS that you don't trust cerberus and you are not working for them.

At the time you don't have any loyal squadmembers, with the exception of perhaps Kasumi or Zaeed. They already don't trust you completely, so if you admit to not actually being who they thought you were at first (before getting to know you), they would become skeptical of all of your actions. Should word get out to someone like Miranda, that report would find itself in TIM's hands quite quickly.

Shepard has to keep the act up until the right opportunity, which appeared after the SM with Shepard having a full and loyal crew. At that point, Cerberus has gone too far with Shepard to stop him on their own without expending nearly all, if not all of their resources to do so.

As you said, the only way would've been through a trusted contact (without outside ears) such as Anderson to relay a message. Even then, it's been two years. . .

Modifié par Boom_Flame, 30 août 2011 - 08:30 .

[ladyvader]

jreezy wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
I helped Liara every way possible even got a little annoyed with the renegade points I recieved for it.  My canon femShep is a paragon.  That is what bother her the most.  

The VS getting all bent about not recieveing a message after Shepard woke up is just wrong.  Hell, even spacer Shepard didn't contact their mom and got chew out by mom for it too.

Renegade points bother your Shepard? How can the in-game characters be aware of the Paragon/Renegade system enough to be bothered by it?

It's how I RP it for my canon femShep.  I, personally, was bothered getting renegade points with my paragon Shepard.  It still bugs the crap out of me that we get both renegade and paragon points for some things.  Like having Kelly come up to Shepard's cabin.  You got both.  After talking to TIM I forget after which mission, again you got both.  If I remember correctly, you also get both after talking to the polite korgan about the message you passed on to Mr. Thax.

That bugs me to no end actually.  If your playing a paragade or renagon that's fine.  You want both.  But if you want a pure paragon/renegade run, you don't get that in ME2.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...
I helped Liara every way possible even got a little annoyed with the
renegade points I recieved for it.  My canon femShep is a paragon.  That
is what bother her the most. 

No offence but really? Is your Shepard aware that she has a P/R bar? I think you should be less sensitive over getting renegade points. Considering how many money terminals your Shepard has stolen from the Horizon colonist.

Hell, even spacer Shepard didn't contact their
mom and got chew out by mom for it too.

I think any parent would be mad in such a situation. I can not imagine the pain hearing that your only child have died. I do not think anyone deserves to go through that. And yes, I do know that Shepard was an adult and did not  exactly die young . I think it would hurt no matter what.

"EDIT"

Removed certain parts due to being written in poor taste.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 30 août 2011 - 08:24 .

[Boom_Flame]

ladyvader wrote...
But if you want a pure paragon/renegade run, you don't get that in ME2.

I hardly think that's reasonable, expecting a pure run. As a paragon it's expected that you have flaws and give in to them from time to time. As a renegade, even though you have a certain preference for actions, you can't be completely devoid of emotions, so as a player you'd naturally get paragon points along the way (even if it's not a lot).

I agree in one aspect, though, that even if you TRY and go for a pure run, you can't do it. Even if it were possible, I wouldn't want my Shepard to be pure either way.

Modifié par Boom_Flame, 30 août 2011 - 08:29 .

[Kadzin]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
I helped Liara every way possible even got a little annoyed with the
renegade points I recieved for it.  My canon femShep is a paragon.  That
is what bother her the most. 

No offence but really? Is your Shepard aware that she has a P/R bar? I think you should be less sensitive over getting renegade points. Considering how many money terminals your Shepard has stolen from the Horizon colonist.

Player decisions and game mechanics is not the same thing. Can you imagine if Shepard was judged with paragon and regenade point every time he hacked something or opened a wall safe? The game would get so tedious. Because paragon players would be loved by everyone, but would not affor any upgrades, Renegade players would have all the upgrades but would ****** off everyone in the process.

I think what he meant was he got Renegade points of out the blue (no pun inteneded), which you got to admit happens in ME2 quiet often, regardless of your decisions and dialogue choices.

However, I do agree that the ammount is so miniscule, and there are so few of them that you get that it's ignoreable.

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...
No offence but really? Is your Shepard aware that she has a P/R bar? I think you should be less sensitive over getting renegade points. Considering how many money terminals your Shepard has stolen from the Horizon colonist.

Yes, really.  And yes, I know I am weird.  

I tried very hard that first playthrough to not do anything renegade.  It didn't happen and it bugged me.

It wasn't just Horizon that Shepard got money from terminals.  Shepard took money from the Freedom Progress colony too.  That action didn't give any paragon/renegade points.  If it had given me renegade points, I wouldn't have done it.  That simple.

Modifié par ladyvader, 30 août 2011 - 08:36 .

[Korkki]

Boom_Flame wrote...

But what I really find annoying is that you really can't tell VS that you don't trust cerberus and you are not working for them.

At the time you don't have any loyal squadmembers, with the exception of perhaps Kasumi or Zaeed. They already don't trust you completely, so if you admit to not actually being who they thought you were at first (before getting to know you), they would become skeptical of all of your actions. Should word get out to someone like Miranda, that report would find itself in TIM's hands quite quickly.

Shepard has to keep the act up until the right opportunity, which appeared after the SM with Shepard having a full and loyal crew. At that point, Cerberus has gone too far with Shepard to stop him on their own without expending nearly all, if not all of their resources to do so.

As you said, the only way would've been through a trusted contact (without outside ears) such as Anderson to relay a message. Even then, it's been two years. . .

Very good point. Still im just thinking that completing Horizon mission for example with Garrus and Jack (both should be already recruited), you should be able to tell VS that you don't trust cerberus, I doubt that neither Garrus nor Jack would spread the word that you don't trust cerberus, since Garrus should already trust Shepard, they fought together against Saren, the Geth and Sovereign after all and 'cause Jack already hates cerberus I don't think she would go tell Miranda what Shepard really thinks about cerberus. And showing that you don't trust cerberus should also prove that being rebuilt by cerberus didn't alter your personality or morals, that you don't have that controllor chip in your brain Miranda wanted.

or did I completely miss your point now?

[ladyvader]

Boom_Flame wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
But if you want a pure paragon/renegade run, you don't get that in ME2.

I hardly think that's reasonable, expecting a pure run. As a paragon it's expected that you have flaws and give in to them from time to time. As a renegade, even though you have a certain preference for actions, you can't be completely devoid of emotions, so as a player you'd naturally get paragon points along the way (even if it's not a lot).

I agree in one aspect, though, that even if you TRY and go for a pure run, you can't do it. Even if it were possible, I wouldn't want my Shepard to be pure either way.

You can go the entire ME1 without getting both with one action.  The only time my canon femShep got renegade points was on Feros because I ran out of gernades to knock the colonist out and in order to finish the level you have to either kill them or knock them out.