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#48901
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Well, got around to playing Leviathan. I'll give my thoughts - as a summary, not a terrible DLC. A bit better than Overlord, I'd say, but has some really glaring issues, and something I really, really take issue with. Also, nothing in it surprised me, it was basically exactly what I was expecting. Using spoilers for the rest of the post just in case.

]It was overall fun to play through, and I really enjoyed the first third, with investigating in the lab and figuring out what was going on at the mining facility. Being forced to have EDI and Vega there, of all people, was really weird though.

The 2nd part, with rescuing Ann, was incredibly boring and dull. Don't know if it was just me, but there was barely even any music here. And nothing really happened, just pure combat. And it was a very boring looking place.

I'm also really getting tired of them shoving new characters at us and expecting us to really care about and get attached to them, instead of fleshing out the characters we are already invested in further. I just didn't care about Ann.

The final part was really interesting - and I loved the aesthetics on the water planet. The surface looked really cool, and the rain and water effects were really nice looking too.

And getting a few nods towards the Liara romance is always nice.

But I'll move on to the big issue here - the Leviathan race. It is really really damn cool, I think, to get to actually meet the race that created the Reapers, and see all the similarities between them and the Reapers themselves - both in looks and in powers and attitudes and all.

And their powers? That meeting. Extremely significant and powerful. Like...this is a monumental occurrence, a huge event. Which brings me to my huge, major complaint with the DLC - the aftermath.

There's too much buildup here, the Leviathans - and what they can do, is too much. The ending, as it is, has no excuse to happen as it does anymore, after this. That everything still happens the same, Starchild and all, tells me this DLC is yet another case of plot just being really, really half assed. That it's something else they have introduced without at all thinking of the implications and just what it should really mean, just like how they were originally so surprised the original ending had everyone thinking they just destroyed the galaxy, because they hadn't thought things through.

What do I mean? Well, the Leviathans and their artifacts! This is the most powerful, and direct, weapon against the Reapers we've ever seen, aside from the Crucible itself except that plays by Starchilds rules. The enemy. Just by having an artifact, any reaper force - and even any Reaper, that approaches a close proximity, can be almost instantly defeated.

Think about that for a second! All Shepard has to do is keep an artifact near him, and suddenly he's nigh untouchable by the Reapers, at least at close range.

And what does that mean? It means, **** you Harbinger in London, the beam run scene never should happen because with an artifact the Leviathans can just destroy him if he lands like he does. This means, no injured Shepard and crew. It means everyone - including random Alliance soldiers, can make it into the beam to the Citadel.

This means TIM is a little **** that gets overpowered by an uninjured Shepard/Anderson, Shepard's crew, and a bunch of random Alliance soldiers too. This means Starchild is suddenly not so powerful anymore either, because the Leviathans can fight against him, too.

That none of this happens, the Leviathans and their power are just hand waved away, is just proving to me that they really don't have a plan for ME anymore, they aren't thinking about anything, and are just tossing out interesting looking plots and doing nothing with them.

I'm out of hope, here.

Not to mention this DLC delivered very, very little in the way of actually fleshing out the actual characters we care about...it just introduced entirely new ones for absolutely no reason because all of the impact they should have is just thrown away after the DLC ends.

Modifié par Aristobulus500, 30 août 2012 - 08:24 .


#48902
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TheCrimsonSpire wrote...

Ugh, I just left a very distasteful thread, talking about how Bioware finally listened to the Liara haters. Apparently, EDI is only there to help Shepard in the Leviathan DLC, because Liara would have been there instead.
 


Yes, BW always listens to a small group of people. The awesome Wrex/Liara dialogue in ME3 was only written for me, because I wanted a Wrex and Liara renunion. Finally BW, listens to me.

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This was based on a true story. !!!11111:P

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TheCrimsonSpire wrote...

Ugh, I just left a very distasteful thread, talking about how Bioware finally listened to the Liara haters. Apparently, EDI is only there to help Shepard in the Leviathan DLC, because Liara would have been there instead.

Ya....that's right. It can't be that Bioware just wanted more character involvement by having James and EDI there. No no, that would be the sensible conclusion to make. No, they are there solely because Liara was going to be there instead, and they didn't want to offend the fanbase, so they changed it up.

You Fu*k kidding me!?

Thats nothing. Just the other day when i was in a Liara hate thread, someone said that he hates Liara, because she is an asari. 

#48904
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You should probably stop reading threads.

#48905
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kumquats wrote...

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This was based on a true story. !!!11111:P

Nice to see Liara have a bromance moment with Wrex... Now headbutt!!!

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kumquats wrote...

TheCrimsonSpire wrote...

Ugh, I just left a very distasteful thread, talking about how Bioware finally listened to the Liara haters. Apparently, EDI is only there to help Shepard in the Leviathan DLC, because Liara would have been there instead.
 


Yes, BW always listens to a small group of people. The awesome Wrex/Liara dialogue in ME3 was only written for me, because I wanted a Wrex and Liara renunion. Finally BW, listens to me.

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This was based on a true story. !!!11111:P


Out of my way. Li... Liara, my friend!

Modifié par mavqt, 30 août 2012 - 09:37 .


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Aristobulus500 wrote...

Well, got around to playing Leviathan. I'll give my thoughts - as a summary, not a terrible DLC. A bit better than Overlord, I'd say, but has some really glaring issues, and something I really, really take issue with. Also, nothing in it surprised me, it was basically exactly what I was expecting. Using spoilers for the rest of the post just in case.

I can see what you mean and generally agree with you. 

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About Shepard just having an artifact on him/her to protect against the Reapers would probably not work since the Leviathans would likely then mind-control Shepard, they seem to have little regard for whom they turn into their mind-slaves.

The thing that bothers me most about the DLC is how the hell the Leviathans are even capable of hurting the Reapers themselves. The Reapers have, with the Leviathan's own word "perfected the (mind-control) ability which eventually gave rise to indoctrination" so if indoctrination is a perfected version and thus more powerful than the mind-effect thing that Leviathans have going on how are they even capable of touching the Reapers? the husks I can understand but not the Reapers themselves.

Modifié par Akernis, 30 août 2012 - 09:38 .


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Sometimes the BSN is hilarious...

Ash Thread:
"Ash didn't get enough content because Walters had to push his blue waifu down our throats!!"

Liara Thread:
"Oh, bioware finally listened to the haters and took Liara and replaced her with EDI"


...Sometimes I really think Bioware just can't win.

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krukow wrote...

Sometimes the BSN is hilarious...

Ash Thread:
"Ash didn't get enough content because Walters had to push his blue waifu down our throats!!"

Liara Thread:
"Oh, bioware finally listened to the haters and took Liara and replaced her with EDI"



...Sometimes I really think Bioware just can't win.


We were talking about another thread that was talking about biowares replacing Liara with EDI in the Leviathan  DLC.
I don't think anyone of use actually said that.

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Oh I know, I just think it's funny that every thread complains about another character(s) who's thread complains about other character(s) and so on.

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krukow wrote...
Sometimes the BSN is hilarious...

Ash Thread:
"Ash didn't get enough content because Walters had to push his blue waifu down our throats!!"

Liara Thread:
"Oh, bioware finally listened to the haters and took Liara and replaced her with EDI"

...Sometimes I really think Bioware just can't win.

For the record we did not say that, CrimsonSpire mentioned that he had seen that said in another thread.

But true Bioware can't give anyone what they want.

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We try to keep complaining of other characters to a minimum, and are usually civil towards others and their characters.

Modifié par Akernis, 30 août 2012 - 09:50 .


#48912
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And since BW always listens to me, this shall be the next epic moment I demand:
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BW... make it so!  =]

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If there is an Omega DLC with Aria as a temporary squadmate, bringing Liara is going to be awesome. Full asari squad ftw.

It's why I always brought Samara with me in LOTSB.

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SergeantSnookie wrote...

If there is an Omega DLC with Aria as a temporary squadmate, bringing Liara is going to be awesome. Full asari squad ftw.

It's why I always brought Samara with me in LOTSB.


They mite add unique dialogue due to redemption, if they make Omega DLC.

Samara was a very good character and squadmate. Reave and heavy throw equal win!B)

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krukow wrote...

Sometimes the BSN is hilarious...

Ash Thread:
"Ash didn't get enough content because Walters had to push his blue waifu down our throats!!"

Liara Thread:
"Oh, bioware finally listened to the haters and took Liara and replaced her with EDI"


...Sometimes I really think Bioware just can't win.


Uh duh, theres truth to that phrase "Cant please everyone" - and BSN is a lot of different and stubborn viewpoints colliding together, and most of BSN is really vocal and close minded when you ****** 'em off on just about any topic so...  predictable **** happens, fan rage bubbles some more...  Im pretty sure Bioware just doesn't care anymore ( (I wouldn't lol - but after 5 years of it, i think id develop a filter of people and types of thread titles to steer clear of) , BSN is a walk in closet  of jokes to 'em.  That's not to say ALL of BSN is a joke, just a fair portion.

Am I surprised at all this and your sudden realization of obvious fact? No.

Anyways, I think the Liara thread from what I've seen over the past year or so, theyve been pretty good on character bashing.  Theyre a fairly respectful bunch when I compare to other LI threads.  I think most of us actually like the other LI's - we just can't stand some of the vocal fanbase that likes them and continously bashes our more favored LI - stopped reading Miri and Ash threads for that reason.  Tired of the same old servings of ignorance and insensitivy of humorless d-bags that take this game WAY too seriously..

"Oh I know, I just think it's funny that every thread complains about
another character(s) who's thread complains about other character(s) and
so on."

Wheels on the bus go round and round...  It's one thing people are good at - finding something to be angry/spiteful about because it is an all too addicting and easier path to roam and flinging it into another's face with a little saliva to follow and commit to foolish acts of hypocrisy - anger can be quite the contagious and blinding little thing.

EDITED because formatting went out the door, down the hall, descended fire escape stairwell, onwards to the outdoor parking lot, mugged a co-worker, stole his car and proceeded to drive off a bridge after crashing through the back of a truck carrying sheets of window glass.
And Also a Liara pic:
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If Bioware really did minimize Liara's content because of the haters, well..I only have to say that the recent surveys show that's the wrong move, and that she is really, really popular, she just has some really vocal minority of haters. They are angering more people than they are pleasing, by downsizing her content.

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SergeantSnookie wrote...

If there is an Omega DLC with Aria as a temporary squadmate, bringing Liara is going to be awesome. Full asari squad ftw.

It's why I always brought Samara with me in LOTSB.


Most of the time I bring Mordin for the ultimate nerd-squad. ^.^

And I've already written the most important dialogue for the Omega DLC, so BW only has to give them to the VAs.

Liara: Aria.
Aria: Shadow Broker...
Shepard: Wrex?
Wrex: Aleena!
Garrus::o

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kumquats wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

If there is an Omega DLC with Aria as a temporary squadmate, bringing Liara is going to be awesome. Full asari squad ftw.

It's why I always brought Samara with me in LOTSB.


Most of the time I bring Mordin for the ultimate nerd-squad. ^.^

And I've already written the most important dialogue for the Omega DLC, so BW only has to give them to the VAs.

Liara: Aria.
Aria: Shadow Broker...
Shepard: Wrex?
Wrex: Aleena!
Garrus::o


Have it on repeat for 5 minutes and I would pay just for that scene.

#48919
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@Aristobulus500
Surveys (especially ones on here.) are very un-reliable. People are paid to 'modify' and 'tinker' with surveys.

YEs that was the pic I was teasing about.

@Frudi thanks for clearing the drell bit up. I don't buy comics here because they are overpriced,and digital ones are too much strain on my eyes, plus I <3 paper.

For those here who have played the DLC, what is your final score out of five? Mine is  2.5/5

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Aristobulus500

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Yuqi wrote...

@Aristobulus500
Surveys (especially ones on here.) are very un-reliable. People are paid to 'modify' and 'tinker' with surveys.


Wow could you be any more Posted Image

Why don't you tell me how the moon landing was faked next

Pro tip - nobody paid anyone off to modify a Mass Effect character survey.

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Ghost1017 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Liara being a boss in the battlefield.
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It was an epic DLC.


How does Liara have a Wraith?

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Hmmmm,

@ Yuqi, I played the DLC and I give it a 4/5  Posted Image, I really liked it

Out of curiosity why only a 2.5?????

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darthnick427 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Liara being a boss in the battlefield.
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It was an epic DLC.


How does Liara have a Wraith?


Because Liara is a badass.

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Ok just finished playing Levi and yeah it was good not great like LOTSB but I honestly haven't experienced another dlc of that quality since. Game-play was good, it was long so value for money, loved the water-world, ugh that travelling back and forth between the Citadel and the Normandy got on my ****** though!:pinched: But checking in on Liara in- between resulted in some cute bits of dialogue. Didn't mind EDI being my co-investigator at the apartment it didn't feel out of place unlike Vega... who let you off the ship?<_< Although it made interrogating possessed Ann easier for me with Vega telling Shep to cut it out, shut it Vega! I took the husk head though, pretty funny when you check on your space hamster the head screams at it and it runs back into it's house.:lol:

I kinda mixed it up a bit, took Garrus and Liara for the first two acts and took Ashley and Liara for the last act. Oddly enough Liara took on the more combat role and Ashley talked more hmm you think it'd be the other way around, Ashley being the more experienced soldier and all, she saved my Shep too, meh didn't mind I like Ashley.^_^ Still it was pretty cool seeing Liara in all her Paragade glory taking out husks while the others ducked behind cover. Thought the scene before you took the plunge was kinda weak, would have been better if Liara gave Shep a quick peak on the cheek or a hug or something, eh but this is just a minor gripe of mine.:whistle: Loved the scene after you get back on the shuttle Liara freaking out, man I love it when she says goddess, it's so cute always makes me smile.:wub:

The reveal of the Leviathan race was pretty cool but me thinks it ain't a good idea Shep to wake a sleeping giant, yeah that won't come back to bite you in the ass at some point. Introducing them so late in the game feels kinda pointless if it won't alter the ending in anyway. I can't replay the end and listen to more of starbrats blah blah blah I... I just can't so I'm gonna youtube it. I already plunged thousands of feet below sea-level for some new deep artistic integrity I just don't have the energy or the willpower to sit through some more at the end.:mellow: 

I got a top and I'm just in... sweet:D
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#48925
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I just finished Leviathan a couple hours ago. I think it is right up there with LotSB for being Bioware's best DLC.

Without getting to spoilery, I wonder what the implications are if the series lives on beyond the Shepard trilogy. Leviathan felt more like a prequel to a new chapter in the Mass Effect universe than an addition to Mass Effect 3.

I also liked Liara's content in it. She had quite a bit of dialogue during missions, as did the other squadmates.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 31 août 2012 - 12:57 .