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[Robhuzz]

ladyvader wrote...

Boom_Flame wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
But if you want a pure paragon/renegade run, you don't get that in ME2.

I hardly think that's reasonable, expecting a pure run. As a paragon it's expected that you have flaws and give in to them from time to time. As a renegade, even though you have a certain preference for actions, you can't be completely devoid of emotions, so as a player you'd naturally get paragon points along the way (even if it's not a lot).

I agree in one aspect, though, that even if you TRY and go for a pure run, you can't do it. Even if it were possible, I wouldn't want my Shepard to be pure either way.

You can go the entire ME1 without getting both with one action.  The only time my canon femShep got renegade points was on Feros because I ran out of gernades to knock the colonist out and in order to finish the level you have to either kill them or knock them out.

You can actually melee the colonists to knock them out without killing them or using grenades but that's beside the point. I only have paragon/paragade characters, none of them is mostly renegade. I don't necessarily try to avoid renegade points, hell a nice renegade interrupt from time to time keeps things exiting. In ME2 it doesn't seem possible to avoid renegade points. Weird example: Grunt's loyalty mission always gives me 14 renegade and 16 paragon. Why? I have no idea since I usually use only paragon dialogue options and actions. Maybe ME2's renegade/paragon system is messed up worse than I thought.

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Modifié par Robhuzz, 30 août 2011 - 08:45 .

[Kadzin]

While serfing the net I stumbled upon this, I found it rather amusing ^^

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ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
No offence but really? Is your Shepard aware that she has a P/R bar? I think you should be less sensitive over getting renegade points. Considering how many money terminals your Shepard has stolen from the Horizon colonist.

Yes, really.  And yes, I know I am weird.  

I tried very hard that first playthrough to not do anything renegade.  It didn't happen and it bugged me.

It wasn't just Horizon that Shepard got money from terminals.  Shepard took money from the Freedom Progress colony too.  That action didn't give any paragon/renegade points.  If it had given me renegade points, I wouldn't have done it.  That simple.

I just think you need a thicker skin in terms of getting renegade points. The freakout over getting just one renegade point is silly to say the least.

[Robhuzz]

@Kadzin
That's kinda funny:lol:

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
No offence but really? Is your Shepard aware that she has a P/R bar? I think you should be less sensitive over getting renegade points. Considering how many money terminals your Shepard has stolen from the Horizon colonist.

Yes, really.  And yes, I know I am weird.  

I tried very hard that first playthrough to not do anything renegade.  It didn't happen and it bugged me.

It wasn't just Horizon that Shepard got money from terminals.  Shepard took money from the Freedom Progress colony too.  That action didn't give any paragon/renegade points.  If it had given me renegade points, I wouldn't have done it.  That simple.

I just think you need a thicker skin in terms of getting renegade points. The freakout over getting just one renegade point is silly to say the least.

I wanted a pure paragon run.  ME2 does not allow that.  Which just bugs me.  Why is that so hard for you to understand?    Just like you can't do a pure renegade run either. 

Now when I use my canon femShep, I do renegade things.  Like telling a certain batarian he is working to hard or heading butting a korgan.  And if I'm in a bad mood, a certain merc goes flying out the window. 

When I first was playing ME2, it bothered me a lot.  19 months later, no so much.

@Robhuzz, I never thought about melee the colonist.  I didn't know you could knock them out that way.

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ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
No offence but really? Is your Shepard aware that she has a P/R bar? I think you should be less sensitive over getting renegade points. Considering how many money terminals your Shepard has stolen from the Horizon colonist.

Yes, really.  And yes, I know I am weird.  

I tried very hard that first playthrough to not do anything renegade.  It didn't happen and it bugged me.

It wasn't just Horizon that Shepard got money from terminals.  Shepard took money from the Freedom Progress colony too.  That action didn't give any paragon/renegade points.  If it had given me renegade points, I wouldn't have done it.  That simple.

I just think you need a thicker skin in terms of getting renegade points. The freakout over getting just one renegade point is silly to say the least.

I wanted a pure paragon run.  ME2 does not allow that.  Which just bugs me.  Why is that so hard for you to understand?    Just like you can't do a pure renegade run either. 

Now when I use my canon femShep, I do renegade things.  Like telling a certain batarian he is working to hard or heading butting a korgan.  And if I'm in a bad mood, a certain merc goes flying out the window. 

When I first was playing ME2, it bothered me a lot.  19 months later, no so much.

@Robhuzz, I never thought about melee the colonist.  I didn't know you could knock them out that way.

I did not wish to cause offence. I apologise.

But still, hacking a couple of terminals does not seem like the greatest break of moral and ethics. Considering what Shepard does most of the time.

[alex90c]

Kadzin wrote...

While serfing the net I stumbled upon this, I found it rather amusing ^^

You've gotta tell us where you get all these funny comics from

Modifié par alex90c, 30 août 2011 - 09:02 .

[kumquats]

Check out deviantart, there are a lot of good fanart to discover. But don't post everything you see here, BSN doesn't like naked asari.

Modifié par kumquats, 30 août 2011 - 09:07 .

[Ophiskc]

Good comic my reaction after i saw the video in Lotsb was similar, but more in the sense of "Oohh Liara is part krogan, okay that explains a lot"

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
No offence but really? Is your Shepard aware that she has a P/R bar? I think you should be less sensitive over getting renegade points. Considering how many money terminals your Shepard has stolen from the Horizon colonist.

Yes, really.  And yes, I know I am weird.  

I tried very hard that first playthrough to not do anything renegade.  It didn't happen and it bugged me.

It wasn't just Horizon that Shepard got money from terminals.  Shepard took money from the Freedom Progress colony too.  That action didn't give any paragon/renegade points.  If it had given me renegade points, I wouldn't have done it.  That simple.

I just think you need a thicker skin in terms of getting renegade points. The freakout over getting just one renegade point is silly to say the least.

I wanted a pure paragon run.  ME2 does not allow that.  Which just bugs me.  Why is that so hard for you to understand?    Just like you can't do a pure renegade run either. 

Now when I use my canon femShep, I do renegade things.  Like telling a certain batarian he is working to hard or heading butting a korgan.  And if I'm in a bad mood, a certain merc goes flying out the window. 

When I first was playing ME2, it bothered me a lot.  19 months later, no so much.

@Robhuzz, I never thought about melee the colonist.  I didn't know you could knock them out that way.

I did not wish to cause offence. I apologise.

But still, hacking a couple of terminals does not seem like the greatest break of moral and ethics. Considering what Shepard does most of the time.

No worries.

Guess I should explain myself better.  What bothered me the most was the fact I was helping my LI and got renegade points for it.  I was like Liara, what are you making me do?  

I would love to hear from BioWare on why inviting Kelly up to your cabin for dinner or what ever they did:innocent: netted both paragon and renegade.  That makes no sense to me.  Same with the Mr. Thanx message when talking to the polite krogan.  Why is passing that info along both renegade and paragon?  Again, that makes no sense to me.

[kumquats]

For the LuLz xD
by Becky-chann

[alex90c]

kumquats wrote...


For the LuLz xD
by Becky-chann

"honk"

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ladyvader wrote...
Guess I should explain myself better.  What bothered me the most was the fact I was helping my LI and got renegade points for it.  I was like Liara, what are you making me do?  

I would love to hear from BioWare on why inviting Kelly up to your cabin for dinner or what ever they did:innocent: netted both paragon and renegade.  That makes no sense to me.  Same with the Mr. Thanx message when talking to the polite krogan.  Why is passing that info along both renegade and paragon?  Again, that makes no sense to me.

Perhaps you get renegade points because Shepard is abusing her position of authority to sex Kelly up and feed her fish? Couple that with cheating on Liara and .

As for Thrax. He seemed like a shady guy. Which I would imagine is Bioware's justification for giving you R points.

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
Guess I should explain myself better.  What bothered me the most was the fact I was helping my LI and got renegade points for it.  I was like Liara, what are you making me do?  

I would love to hear from BioWare on why inviting Kelly up to your cabin for dinner or what ever they did:innocent: netted both paragon and renegade.  That makes no sense to me.  Same with the Mr. Thanx message when talking to the polite krogan.  Why is passing that info along both renegade and paragon?  Again, that makes no sense to me.

Perhaps you get renegade points because Shepard is abusing her position of authority to sex Kelly up and feed her fish? Couple that with cheating on Liara and .

As for Thrax. He seemed like a shady guy. Which I would imagine is Bioware's justification for giving you R points.

*hangs head in shame* I know cheating on Lirara is bad bad bad.  Why I don't have any plans on importing the one file I found with my canon femShep that went after Thane . I have 11 playthrough with my canon femShep.  What was I thinking?  I really did think I did that romance with a different Shepard.

Kelly seems to think that the informal threapy is better.  Who knows what BioWare was thinking when they set up the p/r system in ME2.

The asari that ripped Mr. Thrax off seemed very scared and told who ever she was talking to get some place safe.

[alex90c]

ladyvader wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
Guess I should explain myself better.  What bothered me the most was the fact I was helping my LI and got renegade points for it.  I was like Liara, what are you making me do?  

I would love to hear from BioWare on why inviting Kelly up to your cabin for dinner or what ever they did:innocent: netted both paragon and renegade.  That makes no sense to me.  Same with the Mr. Thanx message when talking to the polite krogan.  Why is passing that info along both renegade and paragon?  Again, that makes no sense to me.

Perhaps you get renegade points because Shepard is abusing her position of authority to sex Kelly up and feed her fish? Couple that with cheating on Liara and .

As for Thrax. He seemed like a shady guy. Which I would imagine is Bioware's justification for giving you R points.

*hangs head in shame* I know cheating on Lirara is bad bad bad.  Why I don't have any plans on importing the one file I found with my canon femShep that went after Thane . I have 11 playthrough with my canon femShep.  What was I thinking?  I really did think I did that romance with a different Shepard.

Kelly seems to think that the informal threapy is better.  Who knows what BioWare was thinking when they set up the p/r system in ME2.

The asari that ripped Mr. Thrax off seemed very scared and told who ever she was talking to get some place safe.

What actually happens if you don't give the friendly krogan that datapad thing you get from Samara's recruitment? I take it you can inform the asari?

Modifié par alex90c, 30 août 2011 - 09:36 .

[ladyvader]

alex90c wrote...

What actually happens if you don't give the friendly krogan that datapad thing you get from Samara's recruitment? I take it you can inform the asari?

Nothing happens.  When you click on the terminal, you forward the information to Mr. Thrax.  Then on the next visit is when the nice polite korgan asks if you were the one that forward the info.  The asari is rude if you try to talk to her.  

[Boom_Flame]

Korkki wrote...
Very good point. Still im just thinking that completing Horizon mission for example with Garrus and Jack (both should be already recruited), you should be able to tell VS that you don't trust cerberus, I doubt that neither Garrus nor Jack would spread the word that you don't trust cerberus, since Garrus should already trust Shepard, they fought together against Saren, the Geth and Sovereign after all and 'cause Jack already hates cerberus I don't think she would go tell Miranda what Shepard really thinks about cerberus. And showing that you don't trust cerberus should also prove that being rebuilt by cerberus didn't alter your personality or morals, that you don't have that controllor chip in your brain Miranda wanted.

True, you could take Garrus and Jack. However, they don't complement every class/style of play, so having a new story element involved with their specific presence would be annoying, especially in harder difficulties.

ladyvader wrote...
You can go the entire ME1 without getting both with one action.

Perhaps the devs realized that it wasn't realistic to occur and fixed it, or perhaps it was just an oversight. Regardless, I still wouldn't want my Shepard to be pure either way. In terms of dialogue options I will almost always go paragon, but some renegade interrupts are also too good to pass up.

Also, I read a good explanation of being paragon online at some time. It's not always about being 'good' and helping people out, but also maintaining order. For example, hacking terminals for Liara may be helping her, but regardless it's illegal. If Shepard gets an exception, why can't the next person? Hence, the renegade points.

Modifié par Boom_Flame, 30 août 2011 - 10:07 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

@ladyvader I agree its stupid that some paragon/renegade points are unavoidable but hacking terminals for Liara is technically avoidable. I quite liked that Liara was being a bit of a bad influence on my paragon Shepard. Liara also convinced my renegade Shepard to use the paragon trigger (couldn't resist the Tali hug either, she's more of a softy than she'd let on).

[alex90c]

I really think Bioware should have just given paragon/renegade over big decisions, rather than "hey, you didn't say hello very nicely to this random person HAVE TWO RENEGADE POINTS!". That way we could roleplay our Sheps however we pleased. I mean while I'm a paragon player, I don't want to feel like I shouldn't be a dick to some idiot because I'll get punished for it even though he's just some random NPC.

[ladyvader]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

@ladyvader I agree its stupid that some paragon/renegade points are unavoidable but hacking terminals for Liara is technically avoidable. I quite liked that Liara was being a bit of a bad influence on my paragon Shepard. Liara also convinced my renegade Shepard to use the paragon trigger (couldn't resist the Tali hug either, she's more of a softy than she'd let on).

How can any Liara fan not want to help her out?  

Only the coldest of Shepards pass on the Tali hug during her LM.  My renegade Shepard is a complete ass, but even he hugged Tali. 

[TMA LIVE]

I think the problem is that people still play the game, expecting to be Pure Paragons or Pure Renegades, and not just play a character. The points systems is more of just their to show you which type you're more of, not which you should try to achieve at being.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 août 2011 - 10:32 .

[ladyvader]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I think the problem is that people still play the game, expecting to be Pure Paragons or Pure Renegades, and not just play a character. The points systems is more of just their to show you which type you're more of, not which you should try to achieve at being.

That is because you could be pure paragon or renegade in ME1, but can't in ME2. 

[TMA LIVE]

ladyvader wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I think the problem is that people still play the game, expecting to be Pure Paragons or Pure Renegades, and not just play a character. The points systems is more of just their to show you which type you're more of, not which you should try to achieve at being.

That is because you could be pure paragon or renegade in ME1, but can't in ME2. 

Which I'm happy about. People shouldn't be basing their choices based on an alignment.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 août 2011 - 10:46 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

ladyvader wrote...

How can any Liara fan not want to help her out?  

Only the coldest of Shepards pass on the Tali hug during her LM.  My renegade Shepard is a complete ass, but even he hugged Tali. 

I wouldn't, but the fact that there is an option to say no means those renegade points were earned fair and square. I'm not really fussed on the paragon/renegade system though. My first Shep (a paragade) got Jack killed due to a lack of paragon points  Its easy to avoid that situation once you know how the system works but it still annoys me. I've never tried to make a Shep with 0% on paragon or renegade, I choose actions/dialogue based on Shep's personality/morals. I do try to come up with a personality that will result in mostly paragon or mostly renegade but I can't come up with an interesting personality that would fit pure paragon or pure renegade. I might play my next Shep with a more neutral alignment and not worry if it gets squddies killed (Liara will comfort Shep and I can see how it affects ME3) but it does bug me that neutral Shepard gets punished. 

[ladyvader]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Which I'm happy about. People shouldn't be basing their choices based on an alignment.

Then why have a paragon or renegade meter?  If we shouldn't base our choices on alignment, then what should we base them on?  Just the dialogue choices?  

I'm like Garrus.  I don't know what to do with grey.