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[Renatka82]

Asari have a "bond ceremony" and "bondmates". Rough equivalent of a wedding at least.

Thank you for the info! I didn't know that!

[MACharlie1]

laecraft wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

The one thing that I see regarding Ash and Liara is that they both generate alot of hate on the BSN. There is always a "Ash must die after Horizon" or a "Why couldn't I kill Liara?" Or "Ash is a racist" or "Liara is a stalker" and so on. Its a shame since in my gameplay my Shepard(s) cares about all his/her teammates.  

Why do people call Liara a stalker? Where did it originate from? Does anyone know? Because I keep encountering it on the forums, and I'm really curious.

Being the Shadow Broker tends to keep you very informed...even if the stalker thing was addressed in-game. 

[ladyvader]

laecraft wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

The one thing that I see regarding Ash and Liara is that they both generate alot of hate on the BSN. There is always a "Ash must die after Horizon" or a "Why couldn't I kill Liara?" Or "Ash is a racist" or "Liara is a stalker" and so on. Its a shame since in my gameplay my Shepard(s) cares about all his/her teammates.  

Why do people call Liara a stalker? Where did it originate from? Does anyone know? Because I keep encountering it on the forums, and I'm really curious.

Some never talked to her in ME1.  Or were very rude to her.  Like you can with Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Ash, or Kaidan. 

These people feel since their Shepard never talked to Liara and she was the one that went looking for Shepard's body and gave it to Cerberus that she is a stalker.  Liara cared about Shepard no matter if Shepard was her LI or not.

They are mad because BW didn't let them not be friends with Liara and the rest of the crew.  If Liara hadn't done what she did, Shepard would have ended up with the Collectors. 

EDIT:I forgot one thing.  They also feel she is a stalker because she had Shepard's dogtags and half of the armor.  I think Legion has the other half.

Modifié par ladyvader, 02 septembre 2011 - 04:34 .

[ladyvader]

MACharlie1 wrote...

laecraft wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

The one thing that I see regarding Ash and Liara is that they both generate alot of hate on the BSN. There is always a "Ash must die after Horizon" or a "Why couldn't I kill Liara?" Or "Ash is a racist" or "Liara is a stalker" and so on. Its a shame since in my gameplay my Shepard(s) cares about all his/her teammates.  

Why do people call Liara a stalker? Where did it originate from? Does anyone know? Because I keep encountering it on the forums, and I'm really curious.

Being the Shadow Broker tends to keep you very informed...even if the stalker thing was addressed in-game. 

People calling Liara a stalker had nothing to do with her being the Shadow Broker.  

[MACharlie1]

ladyvader wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

laecraft wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

The one thing that I see regarding Ash and Liara is that they both generate alot of hate on the BSN. There is always a "Ash must die after Horizon" or a "Why couldn't I kill Liara?" Or "Ash is a racist" or "Liara is a stalker" and so on. Its a shame since in my gameplay my Shepard(s) cares about all his/her teammates.  

Why do people call Liara a stalker? Where did it originate from? Does anyone know? Because I keep encountering it on the forums, and I'm really curious.

Being the Shadow Broker tends to keep you very informed...even if the stalker thing was addressed in-game. 

People calling Liara a stalker had nothing to do with her being the Shadow Broker.  

I've never called her a stalker - that was just my guess on why someone would. 

[ladyvader]

MACharlie1 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

laecraft wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

The one thing that I see regarding Ash and Liara is that they both generate alot of hate on the BSN. There is always a "Ash must die after Horizon" or a "Why couldn't I kill Liara?" Or "Ash is a racist" or "Liara is a stalker" and so on. Its a shame since in my gameplay my Shepard(s) cares about all his/her teammates.  

Why do people call Liara a stalker? Where did it originate from? Does anyone know? Because I keep encountering it on the forums, and I'm really curious.

Being the Shadow Broker tends to keep you very informed...even if the stalker thing was addressed in-game. 

People calling Liara a stalker had nothing to do with her being the Shadow Broker.  

I've never called her a stalker - that was just my guess on why someone would. 

I been on that thread enough to know why those people call her that.  But I don't see Liara as a stalker.  She is someone that cares deeply for her friends.  I really don't think she has that many.  Which is another reason I feel she wanted to save Feron.  Besides wanting to repay the debt to him for helping her get away with Shepard's corpse.

We need some blue on this page.

Modifié par ladyvader, 02 septembre 2011 - 04:41 .

[ladyvader]

laecraft wrote...

I see, ladyvader, because she helped Cerberus to retrieve Shepard's body from the Collectors? Thank you. I still fail to see how it makes her a stalker, though, but all right.

I don't see it either.  But there are those that want to kill Liara off the first chance they get in ME3. 

She is the only squad member with Stasis besides Shepard.  I missed having her in my squad in ME2 and I'm thrilled she is going to be part of the squad in ME3.

The wait is now 6 months, 4 days, 23 hours 16 mins.  It's 12:44am EDT by my clock.

[ladyvader]

@laecraft

Here is an example of what I am talking about. This is from a new thread will Liara be mortal. Like she is immortal or something.

KawaiiKatie wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Why are people not complaining about Joker's plot armor?

Joker never riped pieces off of Shepard's cold, dead corpse and put them on display in his apartment. {smilie}

....as far as we know, at least.

[Apocsapel91]

Ophiskc wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
I actually support them getting together if Shepard never romances her. I think they'd make a great couple. So I support both friendship and relationship.

Thats the spirit

*Activates field protection against stones*

*grabs flamethrower*

Should have used a flamesheild.  NOW BURN HERETIC!!!

OT: My first post in this thread.  I can never play Mass Effect and NOT romance Liara.  There's really nothing more to say I guess.

[ladyvader]

Apocsapel91 wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
I actually support them getting together if Shepard never romances her. I think they'd make a great couple. So I support both friendship and relationship.

Thats the spirit

*Activates field protection against stones*

*grabs flamethrower*

Should have used a flamesheild.  NOW BURN HERETIC!!!

OT: My first post in this thread.  I can never play Mass Effect and NOT romance Liara.  There's really nothing more to say I guess.

Welcome.  We are a friendly bunch.  We may disagree on things, but we are repectful to each other.


Just don't use a Cerberus shield.  They don't handle flames very well.

[pf17456]

laecraft wrote...

I see, ladyvader, because she helped Cerberus to retrieve Shepard's body from the Collectors? Thank you. I still fail to see how it makes her a stalker, though, but all right.

Liara is, throughout the series kind to and concerned about Shepard's well being and happiness regardless of how Shepard treats her. Those who, for whatever odd reason, do not like Liara interpret her kindness and concern as stalking. If however you like or have interest in Liara then her actions can be interpreted as her part in a  developing relationship. As far as my Shepard is concerned considering how often Shepard visited Liara, stalker would likely be a more accurate term for Shepard than for Liara. I'm just glad she liked the attention

[Pockles]

laecraft wrote...

Why do people call Liara a stalker? Where did it originate from? Does anyone know? Because I keep encountering it on the forums, and I'm really curious.

Because there are people out there that don't like it when other people have fun.

[ladyvader]

Glad to be able to help.

Now I am off to kill Vasir and the Shadow Broker.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 02 septembre 2011 - 05:12 .

[KawaiiKatie]

laecraft wrote...

That's such a horrifying perspective it's funny.

Well, I mean, it's a legitimate way to interpret what happened. Though I usually default to sarcasm and humour on this subject, I like to think that at the core, I have a legitimate concern.

If you're actually curious, I can try to explain why I see Liara as a "stalker" as calmly and rationally as I can. I love a good debate (obviously--I've been on supporting the same-sex forum for ages) and if you guys would like to talk about it rationally, I'd love to give it a try!

Or, I can just bugger off. That's fine, too! I just saw that I was quoted here, and wanted to offer my actual point of view.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 02 septembre 2011 - 05:13 .

[Kadzin]

laecraft wrote...

I see, ladyvader, because she helped Cerberus to retrieve Shepard's body from the Collectors? Thank you. I still fail to see how it makes her a stalker, though, but all right.

Liara: Hey Shepard!
Shepard: Yes Liara?
Liara: I watch you in your sleep.
Shepard: ...

P.S. this is only a joke, please don't take me seriously

[pf17456]

laecraft wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

laecraft wrote...

I see, ladyvader, because she helped Cerberus to retrieve Shepard's body from the Collectors? Thank you. I still fail to see how it makes her a stalker, though, but all right.

Liara is, throughout the series kind to and concerned about Shepard's well being and happiness regardless of how Shepard treats her. Those who, for whatever odd reason, do not like Liara interpret her kindness and concern as stalking. If however you like or have interest in Liara then her actions can be interpreted as her part in a  developing relationship. As far as my Shepard is concerned considering how often Shepard visited Liara, stalker would likely be a more accurate term for Shepard than for Liara. I'm just glad she liked the attention

Ah, I see. So it's also because of this linearity thing. The characters from ME1 will always treat you as friends, no matter how you treated them before, and no matter if you liked them or not, so some people find it jarring. It's just stronger with Liara because she actually does something for you. And she does it no matter what, because it's part of the plot.

So people calling her a stalker is actually the players being resentful for the control taken out of their hands. And it's an attempt to get back at the character for depriving their game of interactivity.

It's starting to make sense.

Merely the realization that control was never there in the first place, that it was just an illusion.
Then again some folks just like to complain.