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[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

 Synthesized Liara looks so weird too.

 
What happened to the blue eyes? :c

[Han Shot First]

I'm not opposed to the idea of Synthesis in Sci Fi in general.

My canon ending for Deus Ex: Human Revolution for example is the Sarif Ending. But with Deus Ex: HR it felt like a fitting end, and one that was thematically consistent with the rest of the game. Synthesis just doesn't seem thematically consistent with Mass Effect, IMO. Through three games I never got the sense that the galaxy was headed in that direction. In fact it isn't even suggested until the last few minutes of ME3.

Also with Deus Ex: HR I didn't get the impression that I was replacing what makes us human with tech. Synthetic augments and every cell of a person being partially synthetic are not quite the same thing.

A line by Mordin sums up the fate of the species of the Mass Effect universe, if Synthesis occurs:

"No glands, replaced by tech. No digestive system, replaced by tech. No soul, replaced by tech ."

Modifié par Han Shot First, 22 septembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[KOM_95]

Synthesis isn't even the most popular ending (Destroy is i guess?) so to pick it would be suicice by bioware

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Han Shot First wrote...

My canon ending for Deus Ex: Human Revolution for example is the Sarif ending. But with Deus Ex: HR it felt like a fitting end, and one that was thematically consistent with the rest of the game. Synthesis just doesn't seem thematically consistent with Mass Effect, IMO. Through three games I never got the sense that the galaxy was headed in that direction. In fact it isn't even suggested until the last few minutes of ME3.

Also with Deus Ex: HR I didn't get the impression that I was replacing what makes us human with tech. Synthetic augments and every cell of a person being partially synthetic are not quite the same thing.

I've always gone the Self Destruct route in DE:HR personally.

[DevilBeast]

Han Shot First wrote...

Question for the Liara fans...

With all this talk about another Mass Effect game being planned, there has been some speculation that Synthesis will be made canon. This speculation isn't entirely baseless, as it was fairly obvious that Synthesis was the writer's favorite. Furthermore Jessica Merizan apparently told one fan that Synthesis will eventually occur in the Mass Effect universe regardless of whether or not Shepard is the agent that brings it about. If her take on Synthesis is in line with how the writers view it, Synthesis is an inevitability for the ME universe.

It is possible that the next Mass Effect game could be set during Liara's lifetime, and if Synthesis occurs between games (for those that didn't choose it), Liara could end up partially synthetic regardless of whether or not your Shepard chose Synthesis.

How would you feel about cyborg Liara, or ME4 in general if Synthesis has occured?

Syn.. Synthesis?????

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

doozer12 wrote...

Also, never seen this before. I like. 

[DevilBeast]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

 Synthesized Liara looks so weird too.

 
What happened to the blue eyes? :c

Synthesis Liara: "Braaaaaaaaiiiiinnnssssss!!"

[DevilBeast]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm not opposed to the idea of Synthesis in Sci Fi in general.

My canon ending for Deus Ex: Human Revolution for example is the Sarif ending. But with Deus Ex: HR it felt like a fitting end, and one that was thematically consistent with the rest of the game. Synthesis just doesn't seem thematically consistent with Mass Effect, IMO. Through three games I never got the sense that the galaxy was headed in that direction. In fact it isn't even suggested until the last few minutes of ME3.

Also with Deus Ex: HR I didn't get the impression that I was replacing what makes us human with tech. Synthetic augments and every cell of a person being partially synthetic are not quite the same thing.

A line by Mordin sums up the fate of the species of the Mass Effect universe, if Synthesis occurs:

"No glands, replaced by tech. No digestive system, replaced by tech. No soul, replaced by tech ."

Well, you can just play Deus Ex: The Conspiracy and see that not all humans became cyborgs. It´s funny; Bioware chooses which ending is canon while Eidos/(back then) Ion Storm tried to incoporate all three endings in their games. It didn´t always work (*cough* Invisible War *cough*) but it´s certaintly a better approach than just screwing over those who didn´t choose the ending the devs. liked.

[Ravii]

I'm gone for a half day and we jump 12 pages straight forward. Relax guys.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Ravii wrote...

I'm gone for a half day and we jump 12 pages straight forward. Relax guys.

If you don't like spiders you might want to skim over the past few pages...

[Terrorize69]

Lol while synthesis may me BWs fave and perfect ending, it is by far the fave of most the player base, and even BW knows you can't make a story and game in a world where everything is now perfect.. Unless its going to be mass effect 4 Farmville..

Tempted to cheat on Liara and kill my lover off, see if anything is said lol.

[Ajosraa]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm not sure I'd be interested in ME4 if Synthesis is canon.

Synthesis in ME isn't just a case of organics with mechanical limbs or implants, but organics that have somehow been completely (and magically) altered to be partially synthetic at the genetic level. That means that their brains, the organs which determine their personalities, have also been altered to be partially synthetic. This raises the question of whether altered people are even the same entities. Is cyborg Liara even Liara anymore? Would the Asari even exist anymore?

I say no.

Liara would no longer be Liara, and the Asari as we knew them would be as dead as if the Reapers had succeeded. The Asari would be gone and replaced by a partially synthetic other.

I acctually think that would make for a very
interesting setting acctually. I like the concept of synthesis, just the
whats and hows and such that I have conflict with. I acctually wrote
more about this on my profile..but now its scrolled away..dammit...

And Liara being cyborg to me is really immaterial , she would still be Liara, just glowing green eyes Liara. You make an assumption that it will drasticly change Liara's and others behavior, but in the few scenes we see them afterwards at the memorial wall we show them as greaving and still acting predictably. Except the only noticable difference in that scene is that EDI is also feeling emotional greef. So it seems like things were added, not taken away imo.

If you think about it, the characters in ME mostly already are cyborgs. The biotic implants, other implants, lots of omni tools dont show any outerwear so they must be implanted. On top of that there is genetic modification happening all throughout the galaxy, that can be consider taliored and technically not "natural" They were headed that way anyway, and I think thats part of how you could argue that Synthesis will happen eventually. The self replicating nanites bonding with your DNA to create a new framework , similar to a von neuman probe, is an idea ive heard before. And for the rest of the unexplainable..well from my line of study Ive found means that "magic" is just something you dont understand yet, and I also like a little bit of magic there for mystery.

Im conflicted though, if maybe I should destroy the Reapers THEN acheive synthesis...But then who knows maybe it wont happen for another million years without them and thats the catch..

And there is also the Awsome factor of all the cool stuff you could have happen in synthesis setting in a future game.

So I think I would probably buy it if its any good.

Personally I still most often pick a high ems destroy just so I can roleplay surviving and haveing a happy ride off into the sunset with Liara. So that shows a bit of my internal conflict. ;P

[Ravii]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Ravii wrote...

I'm gone for  half a day and we jump 12 pages straight forward. Relax guys.

If you don't like spiders you might want to skim over the past few pages...

I have no problems with spiders. I think I can handle it.

Modifié par Ravii, 22 septembre 2012 - 06:11 .

[Han Shot First]

DevilBeast wrote...

Well, you can just play Deus Ex: The Conspiracy and see that not all humans became cyborgs. It´s funny; Bioware chooses which ending is canon while Eidos/(back then) Ion Storm tried to incoporate all three endings in their games. It didn´t always work (*cough* Invisible War *cough*) but it´s certaintly a better approach than just screwing over those who didn´t choose the ending the devs. liked.

I played that for the PC actually.

I went with the Illuminati ending, in that one. I couldn't choose the Helios ending for similar reasons that I find Synthesis repulsive. And although I liked Tong as a character, the luddite 'destroy all tech' solution didn't sit well with me.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 22 septembre 2012 - 05:58 .

[KOM_95]

[Han Shot First]

KOM_95 wrote...

Definitely one of my favorite fan made images of Liara, and she's wearing something that is appropriately in character, unlike that ridiculous N7 hoody.

[DevilBeast]

Han Shot First wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Well, you can just play Deus Ex: The Conspiracy and see that not all humans became cyborgs. It´s funny; Bioware chooses which ending is canon while Eidos/(back then) Ion Storm tried to incoporate all three endings in their games. It didn´t always work (*cough* Invisible War *cough*) but it´s certaintly a better approach than just screwing over those who didn´t choose the ending the devs. liked.

I played that for the PC actually.

I went with the Illuminati ending, in that one. I couldn't choose the Helios ending for similar reasons that I find Synthesis repulsive. And although I liked Tong as a character, the luddite 'destroy all tech' solution didn't sit well with me.

I actually feel the complete opposite, since Illuminati wants the world to continue as it currently is in the game. You know, with the rich and powerful screwing over the common man, while at the same time manipulating him into believing that they are actually helping him. At least Helios is honest about its intentions...
But I do agree on the Dark Age ending. That´s just complete ludicrous.

Anyway, this is a Mass Effect thread not a Deus Ex one, so have some more Liara:

 

[Dragon_Claw]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

*Shudders.*

Luckily, the biggest thing we have here is the Trochosa robusta. 

*snip ugly ass insect!*
At least I think it is, I try to avoid spiders. There are probably types I don't even know of, waiting for me...

This is one of the reasons Im grateful to live in the cold Scandinavian, where only man & beast can survive all year long.

Modifié par Dragon_Claw, 22 septembre 2012 - 06:26 .

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

*Shudders.*

Luckily, the biggest thing we have here is the Trochosa robusta. 

*snip ugly ass insect!*
At least I think it is, I try to avoid spiders. There are probably types I don't even know of, waiting for me...

This is one of the reasons Im grateful to live in the cold Scandinavian, where only man & beast can survive all year long.

*Snip*

Aren't they fairly common in Bornholm though? Not exactly the north, but still, Scandinavia.

Luckily, I haven't encountered any robustas here in Aalborg. Maybe they're afraid of the dragons, werewolves and sea serpents over here. 

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 22 septembre 2012 - 08:04 .

[AlexMBrennan]

she's wearing something that is appropriately in character, unlike that ridiculous N7 hoody.

Blasphemy (a bit NSFW, but if you're at work you should be working and not looking at BSN forums)

[AlkoTanko]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

*Shudders.*

Luckily, the biggest thing we have here is the Trochosa robusta. 

*snip ugly ass insect!*
At least I think it is, I try to avoid spiders. There are probably types I don't even know of, waiting for me...

This is one of the reasons Im grateful to live in the cold Scandinavian, where only man & beast can survive all year long.

*snip*

Grim up north here, brethren.

[Akernis]

just found a video tribute to Liara from before ME3 which I thought was well done.

[Mavqt]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Dragon_Claw wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

*Shudders.*

Luckily, the biggest thing we have here is the Trochosa robusta. 

*snip ugly ass insect!*
At least I think it is, I try to avoid spiders. There are probably types I don't even know of, waiting for me...

This is one of the reasons Im grateful to live in the cold Scandinavian, where only man & beast can survive all year long.

*Snip*

Aren't they fairly common in Bornholm though? Not exactly the north, but still, Scandinavia.

Luckily, I haven't encountered any robustas here in Aalborg. Maybe they're afraid of the dragons, werewolves and sea serpents over here. 

Werewolves are just misunderstood.

[KOM_95]

[Akernis]

^ Lovely TOP hit, and even more lovely pic 

Modifié par Akernis, 22 septembre 2012 - 09:22 .