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[PMC65]

Saw this on the Kaidan thread and thought I would drop off here ...

I LikeTo Doodle wrote...



Lol wut?

Edit: You're welcome Moreeman!

Modifié par PMC65, 26 septembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

^^Bring it up again then. Now that we're all depressed about our off topic ways we'll probably discuss it.

Alright, here is my topic.

After ME3 was released I really started to feel that without LOTSB, Liara as a character is an abselout mess. LOTSB is the linchpin that holds her entire character together. I would go so far and say she's a poorly written character without it.

What do I mean by all this? well. LOTSB is for me where we see the explanation for Liara's change, its the story that ties the Liara we saw in ME1 together with the Liara in ME2, finally tying them into the Liara we will see in ME3. Its essentially functions alot like the ME2 squadmates loyalty mission where it is their moment of character growth.

But aside from a few changes, it seems like the Liara in ME3 that did not go through the events of LOTSB as we know them is almost the same as the one who did. Even though they should far different IMO.

IF the player did not play LOTSB, Liara still becomes the SB, but Feron is dead. And that single fact is why I do not buy Liara as a character in ME3 without LOTSB. If Feron ended up dying, Liara should have been an emotional wreckage of a person by the time of ME3. Now before you go ahead and accuse me of saying that Liara is an emotionally weak person, may I remind you that Feron was her driving force behind this quest. At this point Liara had spendt two years of her life chasing the SB, she has alienated Shepard (who might very well be the love of her life), she has sacrificed so much to get Feron back.

And yet at the end, all her efforts had been for nought. In the end, Liara had failed what she set out to do. So much sacrifice for nothing. And there is no good friend or loved ones to comfort her or to give her support, she is truly alone right now.

I think such a trial would have destroyed most people.

And to talk about the romance in the context of LOTSB not being done. I will be blunt and say I hate it and I do not buy it. Without LOTSB Shepard never actually gets the chance to call Liara out on her behavior and argue with her (remember how carthathic those 3 paragon interupts were on hotel Azure?), how awful is that? It would be like if Shepard never got the chance to argue about Horizon with the VS. In fact, Shepard did not seem the slightest bothered by her actions on Illium just saying "You made up for it." during the time capsule scene.

So yeah. I love Liara as a character with LOTSB in mind, but if I had to look at her without LOTSB, I think she is one of the worst written characters of the entire franchise (and given the hate I have for certain others, this is not a statement I make lightly).

Whew. I do not think I have ever written such a large post!

[AlexMBrennan]

 Dang, forgot about the banshees. Which, I suppose, proves that it *is* possible to unsee things. 

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 26 septembre 2012 - 09:02 .

[Akernis]

^ Indeed, sometimes I wish I could unsee certain things.

@Dragon_Claw: Appreciate those positive words.

@Lizardviking: I will not argue about the rest of your points (whether or not I agree with all of them), quite eloquently spoken btw, but I do not agree with this.

Lizardviking wrote...
Now before you go ahead and accuse me of saying that Liara is an emotionally weak person, may I remind you that Feron was her driving force behind this quest. At this point Liara had spendt two years of her life chasing the SB, she has alienated Shepard (who might very well be the love of her life), she has sacrificed so much to get Feron back.

In ME2 and until Shepard inform her otherwise Liara believe Feron to be dead, she is not fighitng to get him back but to make the Shadow Broker pay for what he did to him, and more importantly judging from her responses at the end of the ilium scene, because of what the shadow broker did to Sheaprd. I would not say that Liara has alianated Shepard either (except for just in the begining of the Ilium cameo that that can be rectified shortly thereafter) but for obvious reason she has not been able to rely on him/her until his/her ressurection. 

Modifié par Akernis, 26 septembre 2012 - 09:11 .

[Akernis]

Finally written this one finished.

*Pushes homework aside* School can wait, this is important.

Apologise for long (and tripple) post in advance.

Doozer reply Post 1

doozer12 wrote...
Gah I hate to do this, near positive Im gonna ****** folks off with this:

Not in my case, actually I would like to thank you for saying it. 

doozer12 wrote...
And someone (mumba? i think) mentioned that it was getting frustrating

I think that was Lillitheris.

doozer12 wrote...
I will admit, Its quality of content seems to be dropping closer to the realms of banned tali thread territory these days and increased OT flim flam (some of it ill admit is fun but..when its constant and outweighing On topic discussions...). 

However much I would hate to admit it the interesting and thoughtful discusions we used to have, occasionally interrupted by off-topicsness has dropped unpleasently far. I am probably as much at fault as anyone but I will try not to.

doozer12 wrote...
Just nothing interesting left to talk about that doesn't involves some sort of perverted remarks, Liara nudity, or some other juvenile sounding theme I guess. 

This really saddens me, I am aware that perverted etc. talks and remarks are bound to happen occasionally and that is both fun and lightens the heart from RL issues, but one of the things I really liked about coming here was how respectful and mature we were, not only to each others but to Liara as well. 

doozer12 wrote...
Anyways, I cant be the only one seeing this...can I?

You are not the only one, I love coming here and will certainly continue to do so as long as I am welcome but I miss the days were this was the place where we came to share our love for our favourite character and engage in stimulating and thoughtful topics about our favourite asari and the rest the Mass Effect world that affect her and our Shepards.

doozer12 wrote...
Also: Why does porn related crap like what Rastifan makes keep getting posted here. How is that in any way honoring the one thing we're all here to?

I agree with you again here, the bolded part especially, line between savoury and tasteless as a very fine one sometimes but I feel that we have crossed that one too often as of late.

doozer12 wrote...
 ...bleh forget it, Liara has dropped to meat status. 

NO! I refuse to accept that
If that means I will have to draw, write or commission tasteful pictures or scenes with Liara to rectify that so be it  *walks determined over to my PC before getting drowined in school homework* ... maybe tomorrow.

doozer12 wrote...
Was just stating a personal opinion/outlook and... hey whats the oversized stake for guys? ...is that firewood? wait...ropes... aw crap.

*shoos away angry mob, while they gag her and tied her to the stake* hey guys stop trying to burn doozer like a witch or bury her alive... that is my job , well one of them anyway

I absolute love coming here, not only has it been fun, informative and interesting but the thread was my saving grace after the ME3 endings and I really respect you guys here (well most of the time) so regardless I will stick around. However I have noticed that things have started to slide away from some of the things that made this place so wonderful to come. Theo and Aristobulus semi-left, Lillitheris apparently permanently left and now doozer give me black on white what have been lurking in the back of my mind for some time now. Of course it has to do with the lack of new LIara content and by extension many new topics we can disguss about her, the last time we really were having extended thoughtful and positively passionate discussions about her was following the release of Leviathan. 

While as already stated I won't leave regardless I would like to ask whether people were interested in trying to make things more interesting again by for examble trying to come up with and participate in on-topic... topics. 
Just as we seem to begin to do again now .  

Modifié par Akernis, 26 septembre 2012 - 09:18 .

[Akernis]

Doozer reply Post 2

doozer12 wrote...
On topic and probably has been discussed but whatever:  Lets say Liara hasn't been romanced by Shepard.  What do you guys see her doing after the reaper war, what kind of character to you see her being without Shepard's direct influence/involvment?  And lets make it interesting with the SB stuff not really being an option, its probably in pretty bad shape after the relays go down.  Reconstructable maybe depending on your ending choice. 
I really can't see her going into civvy life myself (man I still have a little bit of trouble picturing her as a parent this early in her life, but i try right crimsonN7? ), although I could see her enjoying teaching once things have died down.  Would she stay in Sol to help out though, maybe rebuild the citadel, assist the council... or catch the first fleet back to Thessia and do some government job to help rebuild a culture/nation/race/etc...*ponders*  Would she reveal the truth about the prothys and Asari, or would she keep it a secret and gradually introduce such notions into society?  Knowing sudden change usually produces bad results...and all that.
Man if she ever publishes that book and more folks realize what protheans look like - the worship of athame and her prophets are going to go through some serious changes...sounds like it was dwindling belief anyways though.

Assuming as you say that she is neither in a romance with Sheaprd or the Shadow Broker I would think that in the biginning that she would start by helping her people rebuild in any way that she can, possibly even other races if needed. Once this is done she might serve as an ambassador ot liason diplomat of some kind to help in the time of recovery as she has know quite a few influencial people by the end of the Reaper War and laerned alot through her work as an information broker / Shadow Broker.
However eventually I think that she would return to her archaeology work though it might have lost some of its charm now that she knows more about the Protheans true nature. Writting her book with Javik seems like an excellent way of finished her work, the most detailed work on the Protheans the current races will ever know.
Whatever she would do afterwards  that is really beyond my ability to guess currently. 

doozer12 wrote...
Hey your still here reading my post.  Have a prize.

I still so love that gif

[Falaxe]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

 Dang, forgot about the banshees. Which, I suppose, proves that it *is* possible to unsee things. 

"And just like that, the magic was gone."

[KOM_95]

Modifié par KOM_95, 26 septembre 2012 - 09:18 .

[screwball8]

Akernis wrote...

I will not argue about the rest of your points (whether or not I agree with all of them), quite eloquently spoken btw, but I do not agree with this.

Lizardviking wrote...
Now before you go ahead and accuse me of saying that Liara is an emotionally weak person, may I remind you that Feron was her driving force behind this quest. At this point Liara had spendt two years of her life chasing the SB, she has alienated Shepard (who might very well be the love of her life), she has sacrificed so much to get Feron back.

In ME2 and until Shepard inform her otherwise Liara believe Feron to be dead, she is not fighitng to get him back but to make the Shadow Broker pay for what he did to him, and more importantly judging from her responses at the end of the ilium scene, because of what the shadow broker did to Sheaprd. I would not say that Liara has alianated Shepard either (except for just in the begining of the Ilium cameo that that can be rectified shortly thereafter) but for obvious reason she has not been able to rely on him/her until his/her ressurection. 

IIRC, doesn't she say something like "I never thought this would turn into a rescue mission" when you find Feron alive? Sorry, it's been a little while since I played that part.

Re: declining thread quality

I've been lurking here since around page 900, and just started posting relatively recently. I don't post a lot partly because I've got no time lately, and partly because I like to keep my mouth (keyboard?) shut. This is the only thread I post in on BSN, and really on any forum on the internets.

I agree that the thread derails a little bit from time to time, maybe more than some people want. I hope people stick around though. Nearly everyone here seems very welcoming and friendly, and that's rare. Plus GT Zazzerka will be crushed if people start jumping ship. 

@Dragon: Keep on sharing your art! I started posting here originally to share mine, just wish I had time to do more. I have mad respect for people who actually get stuff done. 



by TheBoyofCheese

[KOM_95]

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Akernis wrote...
@Lizardviking: I will not argue about the rest of your points (whether or not I agree with all of them), quite eloquently spoken btw, but I do not agree with this.

Lizardviking wrote...
Now before you go ahead and accuse me of saying that Liara is an emotionally weak person, may I remind you that Feron was her driving force behind this quest. At this point Liara had spendt two years of her life chasing the SB, she has alienated Shepard (who might very well be the love of her life), she has sacrificed so much to get Feron back.

In ME2 and until Shepard inform her otherwise Liara believe Feron to be dead, she is not fighitng to get him back but to make the Shadow Broker pay for what he did to him, and more importantly judging from her responses at the end of the ilium scene, because of what the shadow broker did to Sheaprd. I would not say that Liara has alianated Shepard either (except for just in the begining of the Ilium cameo that that can be rectified shortly thereafter) but for obvious reason she has not been able to rely on him/her until his/her ressurection. 

Liara mentions that "I need to find him, I owe him my life." during the Illium cameo. Now this could just be seen as as her just wanting to find out about Feron's ultimate fate.

But still, Liara has spend two years, and then the fruit of her labor seemingly has paid off as she finds out that Feron is still alive and she sets out to rescue him. And then Liara ****s it up, she ****s it up real good and Feron winds up dead. I doubt she would feel much better in this scenario.

As for not alienating Shepard, I think the paragon interupts in LOTSB are there to show that Shepard has been very alienated by Liara. Granted this one is tricky to argue, but I think that was what Bioware was going for.

[Akernis]

screwball8 wrote...
IIRC, doesn't she say something like "I never thought this would turn into a rescue mission" when you find Feron alive? Sorry, it's been a little while since I played that part.

On the top of my head:
Shepard: Are you ok?
Liara: I have spent two years planning revenge, now I have the change to make it a rescue.

[screwball8]

Akernis wrote...

screwball8 wrote...
IIRC, doesn't she say something like "I never thought this would turn into a rescue mission" when you find Feron alive? Sorry, it's been a little while since I played that part.

On the top of my head:
Shepard: Are you ok?
Liara: I have spent two years planning revenge, now I have the change to make it a rescue.

Thanks, Akernis, yeah that sounds right. Does anyone know if that line ever changes at all? Then again, I guess it wouldn't unless Feron ended up dead somehow.

[Akernis]

^ Not as far as I am aware, but I admit I have not really seen very many variations of that scene (if there are) since I am always paragon, in romance with her, and eager to help.
But I am farily sure Feron only ends up dead if you don't play LotSB (in which case Liara storms the SB's base with the aid of hired mercenaries and Feron is killed either before or during the attack)

Lizardviking wrote...
But still, Liara has spend two years, and then the fruit of her labor seemingly has paid off as she finds out that Feron is still alive and she sets out to rescue him. And then Liara ****s it up, she ****s it up real good and Feron winds up dead. I doubt she would feel much better in this scenario.

Oh I was not arguing that if Shepard does not help (i.e. not playing LotSB) that Liara would be devastated in ME3, or at least deeply emotionally wounded, I agree with you on that part. I only argue that her priorities for getting revenge on the SB had as much or more to do with what he planned for Shepard as what happened to Feron.

Lizardviking wrote...
As for not alienating Shepard, I think the paragon interupts in LOTSB are there to show that Shepard has been very alienated by Liara. Granted this one is tricky to argue, but I think that was what Bioware was going for.

Okay I can see what you mean, I thought of alianated as "completely rejected" which is obviously not the case if you forgive her on ilium and is willing (and/or eager) to help her find the SB & Feron.

Modifié par Akernis, 26 septembre 2012 - 09:38 .

[shepard1038]

Is it true Mass Effect 1 is coming to ps3?

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'm just reading through the stuff I missed here, and bah, this is depressing. I feel like I should've joined in on this thread earlier...

I'm just going to go sleep or something.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 26 septembre 2012 - 09:38 .

[Dragon_Claw]

screwball8 wrote...

@Dragon: Keep on sharing your art! I started posting here originally to share mine, just wish I had time to do more. I have mad respect for people who actually get stuff done. 

Thank you!

I really apreciate hearing that.

[krukow]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

screwball8 wrote...

@Dragon: Keep on sharing your art! I started posting here originally to share mine, just wish I had time to do more. I have mad respect for people who actually get stuff done. 

Thank you!

I really apreciate hearing that.

Yeah, well, wait till he posts all of his Liara/Allers stuff...

[Yuqi]

Mumba1511 wrote...

GT Zazzerka wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...
anyone else prefer Jack's look in ME2 compared to ME3?

Nope.
I like the jacket and ponytail more.
Boy oh boy, we're having a few disagreements tonight, aren't we, Mumba?

Yeah, but nothing will break our Maleshep for life cult. Right? 

Quick, get the Priest!! (Some of the non-english mshep/fshep actors are terrible)! I'll never understand  the pointless wars over the Shepards. 

Ajosraa wrote...

THIS JUST IN!

Siran wrote...

According to this Mass Effect 1 will also be available in digital form as download for PS3, so those who already have ME2 & 3 don't need to buy the whole trilogy.

Link here:

http://www.thesixtha...t-coming-to-ps3

Hell yes! But I do worry about framerate issues..(Which ME2 &3 stil have on PS3). 

@VIking you make some good poiints! Yeaah I did a run-through with no LOTSB shepard..and...bleh.

[Yuqi]

shepard1038 wrote...

Is it true Mass Effect 1 is coming to ps3?

Yes

but we don't have confirmation on which regions it will come too. You have to buy the whole trilogy to get it on disk, but you can download just ME1 from PSN.

[Akernis]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I'm just reading through the stuff I missed here, and bah, this is depressing. I feel like I should've joined in on this thread earlier...

I'm just going to go sleep or something.

Don't worry, hopefully we can make it as good as ever ... damn, I am too idealistic and optimisitc for my own good

[Mavqt]

Good, I missed the great depression of pages 2153 and 2154.

Anyway, what are your hopes for Liara in the Omega DLC. (Even though we know f*** all about it.)

[mumba]

mavqt wrote...

Good, I missed the great depression of pages 2153 and 2154.

Anyway, what are your hopes for Liara in the Omega DLC. (Even though we know f*** all about it.)

My hopes? That there's 10 hours of Liara. What I expect? Some unique dialouge. Nothing else. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I'm just reading through the stuff I missed here, and bah, this is depressing. I feel like I should've joined in on this thread earlier...

I'm just going to go sleep or something.

Oh come on! I made the biggest post ever because you wanted to hear it, but when I finally share it you just go "Nah, it's too depressing here!"?

<_<

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Modifié par Lizardviking, 26 septembre 2012 - 09:54 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Here ya go, again....