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[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

tbh, I think the real reason Shepard was never promoted is because 'Commander Shepard' is too iconic. And I get the feeling I've heard 'Captain Shepard' outside ME...

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 27 septembre 2012 - 09:52 .

[shepard1038]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

tbh, I think the real reason Shepard was never promoted is because 'Commander Shepard' is too iconic. And I get the feeling I've heard 'Captain Shepard' outside ME...

Yes. It probably is because everyone knows Shepard as "Commander Shepard". 

[Mavqt]

Major is also a army rank, and LC is a navy rank. So, Kaidan (I think, since I'm not the most knowledgeable person on military.) Wouldn't command a ship anyway, he would command ground forces.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Modifié par mavqt, 27 septembre 2012 - 10:22 .

[mumba]

I agree with Snookie. "Commander Shepard" has a certain ring to it. "Captain" or ever "Admiral" just doesn't sound the same.

[moreeman06]

 For anyone who didn't see it yesterday since i was posting during the 1am duldroms this thread seems to have

 Ok everyone so i finally posted ch.5 of First Impressions I hope you all find time to read it and remember Comments/Critiques and the like are always welcome.  For those that don't know it's my ongoing project taking place during the original Mass Effect dealing with Shepard and Liara's first meetings.  

Ch.5  link

and for those of you who would like to read from the begining

Ch.1 link
ch.2 link
ch.3 link
ch.4 link

[Casino Royale]

mavqt wrote...

Major is also a army rank, and LC is a navy rank. So, Kaidan (I think, since I'm not the most knowledgeable person on military.) Wouldn't command a ship anyway, he would command ground forces.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

No you're right Mavqt. In the US military, Major is a rank used by the Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps. The Navy equivalent is Lieutenant Commander. If the Alliance structures it's military, like every other military on the planet, the Navy guys would drive the ship, while the Marines would do the fighting. Maybe I haven't read up enough on the Alliance millitary, but their Navy and Marines seem to be one and the same, oddly enough. 
 

[Mavqt]

Casino Royale wrote...

mavqt wrote...

Major is also a army rank, and LC is a navy rank. So, Kaidan (I think, since I'm not the most knowledgeable person on military.) Wouldn't command a ship anyway, he would command ground forces.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

No you're right Mavqt. In the US military, Major is a rank used by the Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps. The Navy equivalent is Lieutenant Commander. If the Alliance structures it's military, like every other military on the planet, the Navy guys would drive the ship, while the Marines would do the fighting. Maybe I haven't read up enough on the Alliance millitary, but their Navy and Marines seem to be one and the same, oddly enough. 
 

That's what I thought.

[Ajosraa]

Yuqi wrote...

 Goes through last few pages of thread, sees sheploo, awkwardness arises, throws sheploo of a boat into the ocean; which is filled with box jellyfish.

Box Jellyfish:
This jellyfish is responsible for more deaths in Australian than Snakes, Sharks and Salt Water Crocodiles.

:innocent:

No, dont hurt your brother! ;P

Wulfram wrote...

I think Liara would be good at tech
stuff. One of her papers was on "a comparison of Prothean technology to
modern Asari circuit logic". And she's crazy smart

Oh nice, yeah I remember reading that somewhere as well, just not sure when and where. Impressive Liara. What a brain.

So I guess she acctually could help me with my homework lol

mavqt wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

^If that's supposed to be Liara... The face couldn't be more wrong.

Looks more like a asari version of Serena Williams.

OMG...Your right, it does! lol

shepard1038 wrote...

I can see Javik taking command of the Normandy if Shepard dies or retires.

I dont really see Javik taking command. He just got here . However Liara seems to know Hackett and they seem to work with eachother in the background. Thats how Liara got Shepards dog tags back, and I think thats how she got into the Mars dig site. So then I dont think it would be hard to convince Hackett to let her command it, as long as she stays in contact or maybe works for the alliance from time to time. But then again They might want a human alliance member to command the ship...So then I would assume it to be the VS like others have suggested.

Modifié par Ajosraa, 27 septembre 2012 - 11:48 .

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

 Ajosraa...dat avatar...

[Mavqt]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

 Ajosraa...dat avatar...

[Ajosraa]

^ you approve? ;P

Modifié par Ajosraa, 28 septembre 2012 - 12:03 .

[Mavqt]

Me and Crocoduck.

[ddraigcoch123]

Yep Shepard was a lieutenant commander in at the beginning of ME1 but on assuming command of the Normandy and achieving Spectre status for humanity, huge deal, Shepard was promoted to 'full' Commander, which makes sense as the rank ought to have been Commander as xo of the Normandy and to his commanding officer Captain Anderson.

But hey...that's just in my game...

[Han Shot First]

Casino Royale wrote...

mavqt wrote...

Major is also a army rank, and LC is a navy rank. So, Kaidan (I think, since I'm not the most knowledgeable person on military.) Wouldn't command a ship anyway, he would command ground forces.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

No you're right Mavqt. In the US military, Major is a rank used by the Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps. The Navy equivalent is Lieutenant Commander. If the Alliance structures it's military, like every other military on the planet, the Navy guys would drive the ship, while the Marines would do the fighting. Maybe I haven't read up enough on the Alliance millitary, but their Navy and Marines seem to be one and the same, oddly enough. 
 

They are one and the same, actually. In Mass Effect: Revelation it was stated that the Alliance military combined the functions of an Army, Navy (Space Fleet), and Marines into a single entity that is a Jack-of-All-Trades. So 'Marines' in the Alliance seem to be Alliance Navy personnel with a ground combat related MOS (military occupational speciality) rather than members of a different branch of service.

I guess that is why the Alliance chain of command also seems to be a confusing jumble of Army and Navy ranks.

[Ghost]

Ajosraa wrote...

^ you approve? ;P

Don't be a lemon.

[Mavqt]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

^ you approve? ;P

Don't be a lemon.

How about a Lime?

[Ghost]

mavqt wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

^ you approve? ;P

Don't be a lemon.

How about a Lime?

Lemons will bring a new order to the galaxy.

[mumba]

Ghost1017 wrote...
Don't be a lemon.

Is the lemon page up yet? 

[Ghost]

Mumba1511 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...
Don't be a lemon.

Is the lemon page up yet? 

I was told that I'm not allowed to make it.

[Ajosraa]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

^ you approve? ;P

Don't be a lemon.

what does this even mean?

[DBlack930]

Shepard was referred to as "Captain Shepard" at least once (by one of the quarians, I think, during Tali's trial), which is also correct, because Shepard was the captain of the Normandy.  In the US Navy (and I believe other countries are similar), officers as junior as lieutenants can command small craft, and commander is the normal rank to command a destroyer or cruiser, and in all those cases they'd be addressed as "captain", as in "captain of their vessel."

And no one answered my question about whether it's ever specifically stated that Kaidan now outranks Shepard.  Because if it's not, then he most likely doesn't (unless BW is playing fast and loose with the military stuff again), because like I said, lieutenant commander and major are in fact the same rank: O-4.  And Shepard would have seniority by virtue of having more time "in grade".

Modifié par W E C, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:37 .

[Han Shot First]

W E C wrote...

Shepard was referred to as "Captain Shepard" at least once (by one of the quarians, I think, during Tali's trial), which is also correct, because Shepard was the captain of the Normandy.  In the US Navy (and I believe other countries are similar), officers as junior as lieutenants can command small craft, and commander is the normal rank to command a destroyer or cruiser, and in all those cases they'd be addressed as "captain", as in "captain of their vessel."

Ashley also says "Aye, Aye Captain' at the end of her farewell during Priority Earth. 

And no one answered my question about whether it's ever specifically stated that Kaidan now outranks Shepard.  Because if it's not, then he most likely doesn't (unless BW is playing fast and loose with the military stuff again), because like I said, lieutenant commander and major are in fact the same rank: O-4.  And Shepard would have seniority by virtue of having more time "in grade".

Kaidan died on Virmire in my playthrough, so I can't say whether anyone will point out if he survives into ME3 that he now outranks Shepard. But the info that he outranks Shepard is in the odex. There is a ME3 codex entry with the Alliance rank structure, and in the Alliance Majors are the equivalent of Captains. (O-6)

[Ghost]

Ajosraa wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Ajosraa wrote...

^ you approve? ;P

Don't be a lemon.

what does this even mean?

http://social.bioware.com/group/7871/

[N7 Lisbeth]

Edit: Let's start this off on the right foot! Go Team Shepard.

W E C wrote...

Shepard was referred to as "Captain Shepard" at least once (by one of the quarians, I think, during Tali's trial), which is also correct, because Shepard was the captain of the Normandy.  In the US Navy (and I believe other countries are similar), officers as junior as lieutenants can command small craft, and commander is the normal rank to command a destroyer or cruiser, and in all those cases they'd be addressed as "captain", as in "captain of their vessel."

And no one answered my question about whether it's ever specifically stated that Kaidan now outranks Shepard.  Because if it's not, then he most likely doesn't (unless BW is playing fast and loose with the military stuff again), because like I said, lieutenant commander and major are in fact the same rank: O-4.  And Shepard would have seniority by virtue of having more time "in grade".

I'm going to go the long way to address this point. Bear with me.

Preface: Ranks, in the military, are generally comprised of enlisted men (including Non-commissioned officers and warrant officers), and commissioned officers (including subordinate, junior, field, and general).

As seen here on Wikipedia, the military breaks this down into just these categories to better understand rank and how it relates between services.

For instance, in ME1: Anderson is a (Navy) Captain (O-6), Shepard is a (Navy) Lieutenant Commander (O-4), Kaidan is a (Marine) Lieutenant (O-3), and Ashley is a (Marine) Gunnery Chief (E-7) -- before anyone calls me on that, yes, the enlisted ranks are massively abbreviated in Mass Effect; we'll not take any of it to heart here.

In ME2 there are some roundabout mentions of promotions, namely Kaidan who is promoted to Staff Commander (O-5) and an offscreen promotion for Shepard between ME1 and ME2 (my assumption based on dialogue and rank  ("commander" is usually vernacular for staff commander in the Navy). But they say a picture is worth a thousand words, and the devil is in the details:



This is Shepard's default jumpsuit (recoloured by Ottemis). Notice the shoulder boards? This is the insignia for the US Navy Staff Commander (O-5):



So far, this seems internally consistent.

By the time ME3 rolls around, Anderson is an Admiral (O-10), Kaidan is a Major (O-6), Shepard is still a Staff Commander (O-5), and Ashley is a Lieutenant Commander (O-4)*. Shepard's rank doesn't change much due to being discharged (Anderson reinstates her at the end of Priority: Vancouver) and emprisonment (consequences of working for Cerberus and against Alliance interests).

So, now to the relevant topic! You're right, the issue of "Captain" was mentioned at Tali's trial in ME2, but if you recall (or if you selected the dialogue that discusses it), she insists she's not a Captain (O-6), that she's a Commander (O-5). The Quarians insist this doesn't matter, as she is the ranking officer on the Normandy that she is acting Captain in fact. It's the spirit of the law that counts in this case.

This may also address any other questions you have about a higher rank (Kaidan) serving under a lower rank (Shepard). It's what is commonly known as "positional authority." The captain of a ship is the captain of that ship no matter who's on board at the time. If a Rear Admiral walks on-board, the Captain's orders are still followed.

Selene makes a wonderful example of this here, explaining the situation. In essence though, Shepard is the Captain of the Normandy and Kaidan is her subordinate despite the fact he outranks her.

Nevermind the fact that Spectres exist outside the law and, well, you'd make him understand his position either way.

* = The Alliance ranks are different than USAF, "Lieutenant Commander" is technically Navy and "Gunnery Chief" is technically Marine. (Kaidan makes it a point to mention he's a Marine, and it's constantly referenced that Shepard is in the Navy.) Chalk this up to an internally inconsistent military in the Mass Effect universe and ignore it.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 28 septembre 2012 - 02:54 .

[ladyvader]

Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander, not a Staff Commander.

I'm curious to why this is being discussed here on Liara's thread?

You can NOT use the US military rankings and compare them to ME. Considering the devs are from Canada not the USA.

This is from the ME Wikia and in the ME1 and ME2 codex.  And you'll notice there is only NINE (9) Officer ranks.  

In ascending order of responsibility, the ranks of the Alliance are:
ENLISTED

• Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
• Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
• Serviceman 1st class/Corporal

NCOs

• Service Chief
• Gunnery Chief
• Operations Chief

OFFICERS

• 2nd Lieutenant
• 1st Lieutenant
• Staff Lieutenant
• Lieutenant Commander
• Staff Commander
• Captain/Major
• Rear Admiral/General
• Admiral
• Fleet Admiral
  
   

Modifié par ladyvader, 28 septembre 2012 - 02:42 .