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[TheCrimsonSpire]

The Alliance military is also based off of the Canadian Navy. If you look at the shoulder boards that the Alliance officers wear in all three games, you'll notice that they are consistent with shoulder boards of the Canadian Navy.

[N7 Lisbeth]

ladyvader wrote...

Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander, not a Staff Commander.

I'm curious to why this is being discussed here on Liara's thread?

You can NOT use the US military rankings and compare them to ME. Considering the devs are from Canada not the USA.

Erm, digression? It's a subject that has come up and interested me in the past, so I responded in detail. Call it enthusiasm.

Point taken though. As an offering of peace, some blue:



What can I say except she's a good kisser.

Edit: Never occurred to me that someone would be upset that I didn't post a Liara picture in a top post. Apologies, it never occurs to me to check where my posts sit in a page.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 28 septembre 2012 - 02:48 .

[DBlack930]

I used the US ranks because those are the ones I'm familiar with, but they're pretty standardized across most militaries, AFAIK, with just minor differences here and there.  At any rate, lieutenant commander and major are both equal ranks in the Canadian military, as well.

[N7 Lisbeth]

W E C wrote...

I used the US ranks because those are the ones I'm familiar with, but they're pretty standardized across most militaries, AFAIK, with just minor differences here and there.  At any rate, lieutenant commander and major are both equal ranks in the Canadian military, as well.

Canadian myself, eh. I use the US ranks because Canada doesn't have "marines," which Kaidan and Ashley both claim to a part of.

Like I said in my first post on the subject, there's no point in getting into semantics about who's what. The ranks are inconsistent in Mass Effect. Shepard is Shepard, Kaidan is Kaidan, and Liara is blue.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 28 septembre 2012 - 02:52 .

[ladyvader]

W E C wrote...

I used the US ranks because those are the ones I'm familiar with, but they're pretty standardized across most militaries, AFAIK, with just minor differences here and there.  At any rate, lieutenant commander and major are both equal ranks in the Canadian military, as well.

They are not the same in the ME universe.  There is a rank in between them.  I posted the ranks.  Feel free to either put in ME1 or ME2 and read the codex or go to the Wikia and read it there.

To me it makes as much sense as comparing the ME military ranks to r/l military ranks as people trying to compare asari/human when it comes to ages.

It doesn't work very well.

Techinally by rank, Kaidan outranks Shepard in both ME2/3.  Ashley equals Shepard in rank in ME3.  They are both Lt. Commanders.  But Shepard is the commanding officer of the Normandy, which put Shepard over Kaidan when he is on the ship.

Modifié par ladyvader, 28 septembre 2012 - 02:56 .

[Han Shot First]

The Alliance ranks are different than USAF, "Lieutenant Commander" is technically Navy and "Gunnery Chief" is technically Marine. (Kaidan makes it a point to mention he's a Marine, and it's constantly referenced that Shepard is in the Navy.) Chalk this up to an internally inconsistent military in the Mass Effect universe and ignore it.

They're both in the Navy actually.

While I think it would have made more sense to have the Alliance divided into seperate services, the established canon is that the the functions of an Army, Marines, Air Force and Navy have all combined into a single branch of service. (The Alliance Navy)

So Marines appear to be Navy personnel with ground combat related occupational specialities, rather than members of a different branch of service. Shepard, Kaidan and Ashley are all Marines *and* Navy simultaneously, while Joker, Adams and Chakwas would just be Navy.

This may also address any other questions you have about a higher rank (Kaidan) serving under a lower rank (Shepard). It's what is commonly known as "positional authority." The captain of a ship is the captain of that ship no matter who's on board at the time. If a Rear Admiral walks on-board, the Captain's orders are still followed.

Another possibility is that as a kind of specialized function within the military, biotics don't have the same level of authority as other officers. A real world example would be medical doctors. A Navy doctor for example who is a Lieutenant Commander (O-4), couldn't tell a Marine Captain(O-3) how to deploy a company he is commanding. The authority of the doctors wouldn't extend far beyond their area of expertise. Perhaps a similar practice exists for biotics?

That wouldn't necessarily create canon issues for a biotic Shep either, since he's an N7. By virtue of his special operations background he'd be in a different role.

Ashley equals Shepard in rank in ME3. They are both Lt. Commanders.

Even if Shepard wasn't commanding officer of the Normandy, he'd still be considered senior to Ashley however by virtue of having been promoted to Lt. Commander prior to her. If two people are the same rank, seniority is determined by time in grade (rank), and if they were promoted on the same day seniority is then determined by time in service. (how long they've been in the military)

IIRC Shepard also has been in the military longer.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:08 .

[Zazzerka]

Oh God, military jargon. Not my strong point.
I'll uh.. I'll come back later.

[N7 Lisbeth]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

Oh God, military jargon. Not my strong point.
I'll uh.. I'll come back later.

I'd, er, appreciate it if you derailed it back on track actually.

[Zazzerka]

That's not my strong point, either.

Besides, it doesn't matter who would take the Normandy, because it still belongs to Shepard.
IT STILL. BELONGS. TO SHEPARD. 
'kay?

Does anyone see Liara joining the Alliance full-time, or is it time for an early retirement?

Modifié par GT Zazzerka, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:24 .

[Ajosraa]

by Eltilar


@GT

Could Liara join the Alliance being Asari?

I know that she has done work with alliance people like Adm. Hackett, and probably other researchers. Plus her connection to Shepard...Maybe that could warrent some kind of Alliance citizenship. Or perhaps a dual Asari/Alliance citizenship.

Though I have a theory that after the Reaper War there will be lots of political reformations going on. Pehaps new governments will be formed, or the structure of the council goverments will change.

I dont exactly see her retireing considering the length of her potential life span. She will probably help to rebuild, and have a connection towards humans things. Though she will also want to help the Asari as well. She may share time between the two. Perhaps human-asari ambassador, given her experience with humans.

As much as Liara tryed to get away from it in her youth, I see her as taking up some type of leadership position somewhere.

Modifié par Ajosraa, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:49 .

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'm not sure if an asari would be able to join the Alliance, not really sure what the symbol on her armor is all about. Maybe they gave it to her when she was working with them on Mars. Although I guess it's possible they kept the joint-species military thing going after the war was over, but even then I can't really see her doing much there except for giving them intelligence...

GT Zazzerka wrote...

Oh God, military jargon. Not my strong point.
I'll uh.. I'll come back later.

Also, indeed...

*Goes back to his annual Firefly marathon, even though he probably should still be asleep right now.*

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:05 .

[Zazzerka]

Ajosraa wrote...
@GT

Could Liara join the Alliance being Asari?

Oh yeah. Oops.

Her Alliance armour was my favourite, now it's just going to confuse me. Darn.

Hey, that's what you get for making me start a topic.
Maybe now that everyone's buddies, they could create some kind of true galactic alliance. Like NATO? Is that a decent simile, military people? I dunno.

But yeah, she needn't go military, of course.
'Shadow Broker' probably looks good on a resume for a desk job.

[Yuqi]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

^You Australians and your deadly creatures...

You tourists and your swimming in stupid places..


@Ajosraa

He woulden't be so daft. Unfortunatly alot of tourists ignore the signs thinking they're 'invincible' and die. When we say: 'dont touch the jellyfish', we  really do mean it.

Modifié par Yuqi, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:47 .

[Ajosraa]

@Yuqi

When my dad was younger he was in Florida and got attacked by a Spanish/Portuguese Man O War jellyfish. He was paralyzed from the waist down, but made it to shore. So I understand how dangerous some of those jellies can be:)

http://en.wikipedia....uese_man_o'_war



Bad Hanar thing! Bad ;P

Modifié par Ajosraa, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:57 .

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I've never actually been to Australia myself. I can deal with the dragons and sea serpents here in Scandinavia, but Australia seems to have too many little things that can kill you...

Not a fair fight I say.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:50 .

[Zazzerka]

You're right about that. For each big thing that can kill you, there are 100 little things that can do an equal amount of damage.
You can see a crocodile coming. A redback under your dunny seat? Not so much.

Thanks for making the hanar joke Aj, I figured someone would. :happy:

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Bah, cowardly creatures I say.

What is that Australian mystery thing called? The yowie? Give me that. That's battleaxe-able.

[Xilizhra]

Personally, I think it'd make more sense for my Shepard to try to connect with the asari, as opposed to Liara doing so for the humans. My Shepard is a bit of an asariphile, really, though she could possibly spend time trying to help both equally...

[Ajosraa]

DDT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT

the solution to everything stingy and poisonous.



Yay! chemicals!

[Zazzerka]

@Xilizhra
I have trouble deciding if they're going to live on Earth or Thessia. Leaning towards Thessia, with trips to Earth occasionally. I'm not sure if it's me or Shepard that is the asariphile, actually.


Plus, in the words of the illustrious James Vega, "Can you imagine a whole world full of those blue beauties?"

SergeantSnookie wrote...
Bah, cowardly creatures I say.

What is that Australian mystery thing called? The yowie? Give me that. That's battleaxe-able.

The yowie, huh? Yeah, they're scary I suppose.

We eat them as treats.

Modifié par GT Zazzerka, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:21 .

[Xilizhra]

@Xilizhra
I have trouble deciding if they're going to live on Earth or Thessia. Leaning towards Thessia, with trips to Earth occasionally. I'm not sure if it's me or Shepard that is the asariphile, actually.

In my case, it's both of us. And I've considered living on the Citadel, actually; my Shepard might need to do so, as the voice of the Catalyst. Although going to Thessia would be nice... then again, it may be too crowded. I can imagine them going off someplace alone together for quite a long time, just resting for a while after the war was over (and after Shepard's second resurrection in my own case).

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...
Bah, cowardly creatures I say.

What is that Australian mystery thing called? The yowie? Give me that. That's battleaxe-able.

The yowie, huh? Yeah, they're scary I suppose.

We eat them as treats.

Wait, waaat?

I thought the yowie was some kind of mystical beast that ate men and puppies for breakfast or something...but you people turn them into chocolate and eat them? 

Damn, pillaging you will be harder than I anticipated...

[Zazzerka]

@X
Control is difficult to headcanon, I wish you luck.

It's a pretty crap thing to say, but after the war, I don't think Thessia would be as crowded as you think.
Maybe with clean-up crews and volunteers, though.

Maybe Eden Prime. Plenty of prothean ruins, and plenty of peace.

SergeantSnookie wrote...
Damn, pillaging you will be harder than I anticipated...

You'd better believe it, Dane.

Modifié par GT Zazzerka, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[Xilizhra]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

@X
Control is difficult to headcanon, I wish you luck.

It's a pretty crap thing to say, but after the war, I don't think Thessia would be as crowded as you think.

Maybe Eden Prime. Plenty of prothean ruins, and plenty of peace.

I've worked it out. All I need is a newly constructed body, even possibly a good cyborg one, that'll retain Shepard's memories/personality, possibly without the weird god perspective of the Shepard-Catalyst.

And yes, Thessia'll be depopulated, but I think my Shepard would want to avoid making a show of solidarity in particular with any one race, so living on the Citadel after returning from the very long honeymoon might be the best initial choice. But maybe they could, one day, slink off to Thessia.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...
Damn, pillaging you will be harder than I anticipated...

You'd better believe it, Dane.

Oh well, we'll just wait until the next Dragonborn comes around...


Apologies for my off-topicness...

 

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 28 septembre 2012 - 05:38 .