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ladyvader wrote...

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That is a nice banner.  Well done.


Thanks!

It tells a story about...love and danger and sex.

Riveting!

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Anyways, one thing I want to ask about is what is everyone's opinion of the ME1 romance, separated from the
rest of the series? Do you consider it a love story? Do you think it's just a crush? Do you think they were in love, or just giving into desire? Did you even like it? Were there things you were unhappy with?


I think it was more than a crush ( I think they were in love even) but I don't think it's a full love story because it didn't show the relationship maturing....it kinda just started really.

I did like the romance but wish things went a bit slower.  But then all the ME2 angst happened so it's all good.

I should add that I think all ME romances seem rushed and lets say 'hollow' compared to DA ones.  I think the issue is less dialog and no party banter (the romance only exists between Liara and Shepard).  I think it would be cool if others comment on Shep/Liara in ME3 (and the other romances of course) beyond the 'ME1/ME2 romance confrontation' that I won't see anyway.

Ultimately, I think I'd prefer to start the Liara romance later (in ME3) and I will take a single Shep into ME3 in hopes that it's possible. I fall into the camp that thinks they should do this as long as there are differences between it and the three games faithful romance.

Modifié par jlb524, 03 septembre 2011 - 02:49 .


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(rambling thoughts)

For my canon Shepard, the way I always saw it is that he doesn't know why he's attracted to her, and neither does Liara. They both are just as confused about it. They feel like there's something between them, but they don't know what, or why. They just do. Like something is pushing them together, despite them still being strangers to each other. But they don't mind after a while. It just feels... right.

I never called it love. Definitely way too soon for that. They don't know each other enough for that. (Or maybe I just don't want to call it love because of the setup.)

I also never include the mindmelds as apart of it, since you can romance her before doing them. (That, and I don't like the idea of Shepard possibly falling in love because Liara did something mentally to him).

So I always looked at it as interest, respect, attraction, and desire. Because they don't talk about love. They don't talk about their feels for each other, besides saying "You're special", "I trust you", "There's something between us". They don't really get any farther then admitting their attraction to each other. They only say they're attracted to each other, and that they should stop there till after the mission.

And then have sex.

Which brings me to the part I don't like. Apart of me thinks that her ME1 romance (creation wise) is more about having sex with her, then bonding with her. Yes, there's some conversations about what happened to her mother and Saren, but there's hardly anything about her. Most of her conversations are just teasing you about having sex with her. Like her dialogue about the asari. 90% of it is about how they mate and reproduce. And then her post romance dialogue is describing how the union is awesome. Yet, technically they probably should save that for later. I mean, what, do asari have sex with someone on a first date? Do you really consider Shepard a union candidate already? And then you have the confrontation, where she literally teases you about have a "private conversation" at the end. I just feel like her main reason for being created was to be an alien for Shepard to screw. And it shows in a bad way.

And then there's how this romance starts.

You save her life after she'd been locked up for hours or days. She begins by talking about how fascinating and strong willed you are. Then starts looking up your history, because she wants to learn more about you. Then asks if you're attracted to her. Then considers having a union with you. And then has sex with you.

Everything about it just seems like giving into irresponsible desire and attraction. Like Deckard and Rachael from Blade Runner, or Do Android Dream of Electric Sheep. It's about lonely individuals giving in to need and want.

Which is why I pretty much I think the romance is more about attraction then romance. With Kaidan and Ash, it's about falling in love. While with Liara, it's admitting attraction, and then acting on it later.

I think Liara just became attracted by the person that saved her, and the person she spent the most time with. And that the long years of isolation was the main cause of it. At first she was interested in Shepard's visions, as well as interesting in studying humans. Then wanted to know more about Shepard, and learned of his history, which made an impression on her. Then attraction became desire, with her wanting to be with Shepard, despite not spending a lot of time with him. Maybe it's the Terminator love story of getting together, with Kyle and Sarah spending the night, despite only knowing each other for a few days. Maybe it becomes love later being together that night.

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Well, I would say my canon femShep, Leia fell in love with Liara shortly after their first meld after rescuing her on Therum. After that first meld even though it was Liara just getting the information about the Prothean beacon, something inside of her awaken. It wasn't something she planned on or was looking for. That is what love does. Sneaks up on you when you least expect it.

After finding out what Liara did to recover her body, she loved Liara more.

@King Minos
My canon femShep Leia is a Spacer and War Hero. Duty always comes first to her, which is why she in a way understood why Liara wouldn't join her. She is Alliance through and through and really didn't want to be with Cerberus, but not much she could do when human colonist needed help and the Alliance and Council refused to do so.



She feels like she has the weight of the whole galaxy on her shoulders right now.

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I think it depends, TMA. You can imagine that the pair bonded 'off screen' in conversations/situations we didn't see.

I think both interpretations could be valid (some people can fall in love with out knowing each other for all that long).

If you want to strictly stick to how it's presented (in ME1), I'd say your interpretation holds more weight. In your Shepard's head canon, what do you think about Liara going through all the trouble to save his body? Is that out of love or something else?  Also, does your FemShep have the same experience with her?

Also, Do Android Dream of Electric Sheep is an awesome novel. It's an interesting comparison considering Rachael is a 'non-human other' as well.

I just feel like her main reason for being created was to be an alien for Shepard to screw. And it shows in a bad way.


I disagree here. Just b/c she was always Casey's fave character, which tells me she was created to be more than Kirk-bait. Unless he's all about Kirkin' it up.

Modifié par jlb524, 03 septembre 2011 - 03:15 .


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Liara needs to wear that in ME3...for the faithful.   :innocent:

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Liara needs to wear that in ME3...for the faithful.   :innocent:

Obviously. Purple nighties are her thing. <3
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OMG, that purple nighty gets around! It's now officially canon.

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Man its hard to catch up since its more then 10 new pages

for anyone who would like to read my fiction Story here it is...its now mass Effect if you wanted that to read instead

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Does anyone want me to post links to their Liara Fan-fiction's on the main page/first page

Modifié par Grunt Lord, 03 septembre 2011 - 04:05 .


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Sure, go for it.

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Grunt Lord wrote...

Does anyone want me to post links to their Liara Fan-fiction's on the main page/first page


Might as well, but not so many go to the front page, well at least I don't :P

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give me linke if you want them up there by messege or posting

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Ericzio wrote...

Grunt Lord wrote...

Does anyone want me to post links to their Liara Fan-fiction's on the main page/first page


Might as well, but not so many go to the front page, well at least I don't :P

I don't either, but someone that was new to the thread said they read every page and that was when the pages where in the 190's. 

Yea go ahead and post mine.   I'm cool with it.

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[quote]jlb524 wrote...

If you want to strictly stick to how it's presented (in ME1), I'd say your interpretation holds more weight. In your Shepard's head canon, what do you think about Liara going through all the trouble to save his body? Is that out of love or something else?  Also, does your FemShep have the same experience with her?

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It's getting late on my side, so keep in mind I'm writing based on whatever comes first.

The relationship is definitely different between my femshep and maleshep. Or at least how they view the romance. I try my best to make them as different as possible. But I try to use Redemption and LOTSB for both reasons. Shepard could have been her friend, her lover, or some **** who saved her life, but in the end, she saw Shepard as someone she considered her friend (whether the Commander liked it or not), and someone she wanted to repay for not being able to do more. Like needing to be saved on Therum. Or watching Shepard die from the safety of an escape pod. And when she was given the option to bring Shepard back, she didn't want her friend to die, and let go. She wanted to give Shepard a chance. Even if Shepard hated her for it.

But romance, specifically? I think she cared deeply for Shepard, not just because of the above, but because Shepard was someone special to her. Someone she was willing to spend the night with, despite not really knowing him. Someone she was willing to shared herself with if the galaxy ended tomorrow, and thanked him for it. Someone she respected, and believed in. If it wasn't love, it was out of friendship and respect. What they were was simply never discussed. But she cared for him. That's all that mattered at the time. Same for my Femshep.

[quote]I disagree here. Just b/c she was always Casey's fave character, which tells me she was created to be more than Kirk-bait. Unless he's all about Kirkin' it up.[/quote]
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Sadly, I think it was the kirk. That, or maybe he likes her because a bit more got put into her in the end. Not only her innocence, and child-like way of discovering things (and her babbling/shy way of leading to sex talk), but her courage. She didn't want a protector. She didn't want comfort. And she was willing to kill her mother because she thought what she was doing is wrong.

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give me linke if you want them up there by messege or posting

Thank you for posting the Liara emoticons, thought i would never find them again /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28018.gif

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ladyvader wrote...

Ericzio wrote...

Grunt Lord wrote...

Does anyone want me to post links to their Liara Fan-fiction's on the main page/first page


Might as well, but not so many go to the front page, well at least I don't :P

I don't either, but someone that was new to the thread said they read every page and that was when the pages where in the 190's. 

Yea go ahead and post mine.   I'm cool with it.

Same here.

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There's some Liara on DA's daily deviation today. <3 http://today.deviant...m/dds/#/d424td2

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Pinkflu wrote...

There's some Liara on DA's daily deviation today. <3 http://today.deviant...m/dds/#/d424td2

great complitation of female game heroines
heres the pic:
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I just found it very hard to romance anyone else. She's so enthusiastic, she's sweet, and she makes herself vulnerable to Shep. I decided to treat it as a genuine love. Shep wasn't entirely pleased with it, but as someone once said to me in real life "I hadn't planned on love right now, but I guess you don't get to choose when you'll meet the right person."

Was it "the Kirk?" I don't think so, just because she's so key to the plot in every way.  If she was just throwaway fluff, they didn't need to make her the most important squad member.

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Taritu wrote...

Was it "the Kirk?" I don't think so, just because she's so key to the plot in every way.  If she was just throwaway fluff, they didn't need to make her the most important squad member.

You have a point
The problem i see with Liara is that she also had to be kind of an enciclopedia about her species in ME1, and the most special thing about this species happens to be their way of reproduction. Because of this, the romance could feel more rushed or just desire driven in comparation to the humans LI's, who shared more personal conversations instead of acting as information givers

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TMA LIVE wrote...

But romance, specifically? I think she cared deeply for Shepard, not just because of the above, but because Shepard was someone special to her. Someone she was willing to spend the night with, despite not really knowing him. Someone she was willing to shared herself with if the galaxy ended tomorrow, and thanked him for it. Someone she respected, and believed in. If it wasn't love, it was out of friendship and respect. What they were was simply never discussed. But she cared for him. That's all that mattered at the time. Same for my Femshep.


Will it develop into more for your Shepard's in ME3?

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great complitation of female game heroines
heres the pic:
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Awesome pic...I noticed Merrill first for some reason.  *helpless Merril fangirl*

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You have a point  The problem i see with Liara is that she also had to be kind of an enciclopedia about her species in ME1, and the most special thing about this species happens to be their way of reproduction. Because of this, the romance could feel more rushed or just desire driven in comparation to the humans LI's, who shared more personal conversations instead of acting as information givers


They had to drive home the point that asari can mate with any species/gender.  Liara was the vehicle for this (Samara avoided it as she was in the second game). 

I think that's kind of sucky and wish there was more 'personal stuff' with her, but I think they built on that in ME2 (and hopefully ME3).

Which is why I think ME2/LotSB gives us a much better glimpse into 'Liara' the person and not the asari diplomat, so to speak XD   Which is why I tend to think she's more 'cold and ruthless' than most do.

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Nice sig jlb524 ^_^

Kadzin wrote...
great complitation of female game heroines
heres the pic:
*snip*

Great indeed

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Ophiskc wrote...

Nice sig jlb524 ^_^


Thanks :D

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great complitation of female game heroines
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This is pretty rad thanks for sharing Image IPB