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[Mordokai]

And I may have over reacted a bit, but yeah... can't help myself. Sorry about that and thank you.

 

Have a hug.

 

[wolfhowwl]

Naked vampire Liara.

 

Whoaa.

[The Gearinator]

And I may have over reacted a bit, but yeah... can't help myself. Sorry about that and thank you.

 

Have a hug.

 

 

No its No problem, it was my fault and I own it. I should say however that they are Asarimaniac's and so are on her Patreon just giving you a friendly warning.

 

Also thanks for the hug! 

[The Gearinator]

Naked vampire Liara.

 

Whoaa.

 

Is that a good "whoaa"?

[Stronglav]

Blue girl I will miss you:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=CnA0ft6DMpM

 

 

If anyone has ME3 middle game saves with LI romance please PM me.

[Stronglav]

Liara love!!  

 

 

There can never be enough Liara!!

More Liara!!

[The Gearinator]

And so after helping Operative with his need of a pre-citadel Liara Li save game, I decided why not just share it? so here it is - http://www.mediafire...the Citadel.zip

 

Basic details - Name - Kira (bad at names so I just stole Asarimaniac's)/ Class - Adept level 43/ Rich-ish/ Paragon/ Uses my modified Jane shep head morph and so i've included that in the Zip 

 

Plot choices -  ME1 - Saved Kaidan, Wrex and Kirrahe - Didn't scan the keepers or get the Asari writings - romanced Liara (obviously) - "charmed" Conrad (can't rememberer what I did) - Saved all of Zhu's hope Including Shiala - released the Rachni queen -  Killed EDI (did the Luna base rogue VI mission) - Saved the Council and chose Anderson

                       ME2 - Everyone survived the Mission (all Loyal) - Tali found not guilty - Reinstated as a Spectre - Shot Conrad in the foot - killed the heretics - Saved Mealons data - Jacob's dad committed suicide - saved Sammara  - Kept Kassumi's greybox - Completed all DLC as a paragon - But the main story as Renegade - Romance Liara again in LotSB - Also was Loyal (duh) - Got and saved all the fish and the hamster - Destroyed the Collector base

                       ME3 - Gibbed it a little and so has all the SB Intel avalible at Glyph, also all armour and "Debug armour" available -  Space hamster caught - all of the N7 missions up to that point are done (I think)

 

Lastly I have all the ME3 DLC apart from Leviathan and Omega, so I think you need the ones that i have at least, sorry if that means you can't use it   

 

Hope people like this!

[Han Shot First]

So what do you all think Liara does in the post-war?

 

Does she remain the Shadow Broker, or return to archaeology?

 

 

[The Gearinator]

So what do you all think Liara does in the post-war?

 

Does she remain the Shadow Broker, or return to archaeology?

Is this with shep somehow surviving? or without?

[Han Shot First]

Is this with shep somehow surviving? or without?

 

Either one, or both..if you think the different endings could also set Liara on different paths.

[The Gearinator]

Well if shep survives then i'd think that she would remain as the SB so that If shep did ever need to or want to go back to the alliance, she would be able to help him/her. 

 

And if shep died, I don't think that She would stay as the SB as she has no personal stake in it any more, but she does still enjoy archaeology so I would guess that she would eventually return to archaeology if shep died

[Han Shot First]

I'm leaning towards an eventual return to archaeology post-Destroy because that was always Liara's first love. Being a scientist didn't just seem to be a job to Liara, but also the fulfillment of a life-long dream and something closer to a vocation.

 

In comparison becoming the Shadow Broker was more of a split-second decision that she hadn't really planned on, and her transition to information broker was only because of necessity. She needed a way to combat the Shadow Broker and the Reapers, and she couldn't do that digging in the ground. Later the demise of the Shadow Broker provided an opportunity to seize control of his network. So with the Shadow Broker network I see Liara seizing control as just simple pragmatism motivated by necessity, rather than the fulfillment of something she wanted.

 

In the post-war I could see her maintaining control of the Shadow Broker network for a time, again because of necessity. It could be a resource in aiding in reconstruction and keeping in check elements that might want to exploit the chaos and destruction caused by the Reaper War for their own gain, but not necessarily the galaxy's. But once civilization was more or less back on it's feet, I could see her quietly passing off the reigns to Feron and returning to the life of an archaeologist and academic.

 

NSFW images below: I guess we should be using spoiler tags for those?

 

Spoiler

 

[N172]

Destroy (high) => Blue Babies

Refuse => Time capsule building

Control => SB

That spacemagic Rainbow-Unicorn-Sunset-Ending => Archeologist (there is no reason for being SB anymore)

[Darks1d3]

I'm leaning towards an eventual return to archaeology post-Destroy because that was always Liara's first love. Being a scientist didn't just seem to be a job to Liara, but also the fulfillment of a life-long dream and something closer to a vocation.

 

In comparison becoming the Shadow Broker was more of a split-second decision that she hadn't really planned on, and her transition to information broker was only because of necessity. She needed a way to combat the Shadow Broker and the Reapers, and she couldn't do that digging in the ground. Later the demise of the Shadow Broker provided an opportunity to seize control of his network. So with the Shadow Broker network I see Liara seizing control as just simple pragmatism motivated by necessity, rather than the fulfillment of something she wanted.

 

In the post-war I could see her maintaining control of the Shadow Broker network for a time, again because of necessity. It could be a resource in aiding in reconstruction and keeping in check elements that might want to exploit the chaos and destruction caused by the Reaper War for their own gain, but not necessarily the galaxy's. But once civilization was more or less back on it's feet, I could see her quietly passing off the reigns to Feron and returning to the life of an archaeologist and academic.

 

NSFW images below: I guess we should be using spoiler tags for those?

 

Spoiler

 

I'm not so sure of that. In the end of LoTSB, Liara downright asks "is it wrong that part of me wants this?" and (I'm paraphrasing here) "it's a dream job, though the location could be better." I mean sure, she also says that she wasn't sure beforehand, and that she chose to become the new SB because she had to. But I honestly think that by ME3, she actually enjoys her job. I don't see her just going back to archaeology, especially since her main interest was the history and culture of the Protheans. With Javik, most of those questions were answered and are no longer a mystery to solve. Not only that, but I also think she won't be able to just walk away because she'll be compellsed to help rebuild the galaxy after the Reapers are dealt with(Mind you, I'm only basing this part on my own interpretation of her character). 

 

In fact, I'm going to also say that, along with their age difference, if Shepard does survive and is found, I'm seeing some potential problems that may arise when it comes to Liara's and Shep's relationship. Liara is still quite young by Asari standards, she isn't going to want to settle down any time soon. Shepard is still somewhat young himself/herself, and probably won't completely retire just yet. However, I'm also going to say that the Reaper War has kicked the s*** out of him/her, and his body will probably age a bit prematurely. There will come a point when he/she will want to settle down and retire. Liara will still be quite young at that point, and will still want to run her information network(she is quite driven, which is part of the reason I'm drawn to her character, but that's another matter entirely). It's not exactly a 9 to 5 job, and Shepard, along with any potential kids, will hold her back or get in the way. They may even prove to be a liability. She is only the most recent Shadow Broker, with her 2 predecessors being replaced by force-full takeover. A good number of her operatives will probably not like her attempts to clean up the organization, and there are probably a few of them who have the potential to try and usurp her. Sure, Shepard can still handle himself/herself now, but that won't last forever. 

 

In short, as much as I like the idea of Shepard and Liara continuing their romance after the Reaper war and settling down, I just don't see that happening unless Liara walks away from being the Shadow Broker, which isn't likely.

[RanetheViking]

Little blue children?

 

 

 

I've lost track on how many times I've posted these images, lol. Mostly to annoy Liara haters, but still

 

Google 'huggybear mass effect'.

 

Don't do this at work, I warned you.

 

He/she also has a deviantart page. http://huggybear742.deviantart.com/

TIL that 'HuggyBear' is actually Patrick Stewart.   

[Han Shot First]

Ok, I just looked at Huggybear's deviant art page.

 

I LOL'd at this one.

 

The paragon symbol lol...

[Han Shot First]

I'm not so sure of that. In the end of LoTSB, Liara downright asks "is it wrong that part of me wants this?" and (I'm paraphrasing here) "it's a dream job, though the location could be better." I mean sure, she also says that she wasn't sure beforehand, and that she chose to become the new SB because she had to. But I honestly think that by ME3, she actually enjoys her job. I don't see her just going back to archaeology, especially since her main interest was the history and culture of the Protheans. With Javik, most of those questions were answered and are no longer a mystery to solve. Not only that, but I also think she won't be able to just walk away because she'll be compellsed to help rebuild the galaxy after the Reapers are dealt with(Mind you, I'm only basing this part on my own interpretation of her character). 

 

In fact, I'm going to also say that, along with their age difference, if Shepard does survive and is found, I'm seeing some potential problems that may arise when it comes to Liara's and Shep's relationship. Liara is still quite young by Asari standards, she isn't going to want to settle down any time soon. Shepard is still somewhat young himself/herself, and probably won't completely retire just yet. However, I'm also going to say that the Reaper War has kicked the s*** out of him/her, and his body will probably age a bit prematurely. There will come a point when he/she will want to settle down and retire. Liara will still be quite young at that point, and will still want to run her information network(she is quite driven, which is part of the reason I'm drawn to her character, but that's another matter entirely). It's not exactly a 9 to 5 job, and Shepard, along with any potential kids, will hold her back or get in the way. They may even prove to be a liability. She is only the most recent Shadow Broker, with her 2 predecessors being replaced by force-full takeover. A good number of her operatives will probably not like her attempts to clean up the organization, and there are probably a few of them who have the potential to try and usurp her. Sure, Shepard can still handle himself/herself now, but that won't last forever. 

 

In short, as much as I like the idea of Shepard and Liara continuing their romance after the Reaper war and settling down, I just don't see that happening unless Liara walks away from being the Shadow Broker, which isn't likely.

 

That is a good point about some of her dialogue regarding being the Shadow Broker. Still, I'm not sure if its quite on the same level as the whole archaeology thing. I mean she pretty much wanted to be an archaeologist since childhood. But I suppose you could go either way with it in head canon, and either one could be plausible.

 

I'm not sure though that the age difference though would cause problems with Liara & Shepard's relationship. Humans in the Mass Effect universe only live to about 150 years if I remember correctly. Shepard was in his 30s in ME3, so maybe he had another 120 years left. That sounds like a very long time, but it wouldn't be from an Asari's perspective considering they can live over 1,000 years. 120 years would be like one tenth of an Asari's life span. For perspective average global life expectancy for humans today is about 70 years old. One tenth of that is 7 years. I think the issue with Liara and Shepard was that their relationship would be very short by Asari standards. Two Asari could potentially spend several centuries bonded. Shepard may die with Liara still in the maiden stage.

[Mordokai]

I'm not so sure of that. In the end of LoTSB, Liara downright asks "is it wrong that part of me wants this?" and (I'm paraphrasing here) "it's a dream job, though the location could be better." I mean sure, she also says that she wasn't sure beforehand, and that she chose to become the new SB because she had to. But I honestly think that by ME3, she actually enjoys her job. I don't see her just going back to archaeology, especially since her main interest was the history and culture of the Protheans. With Javik, most of those questions were answered and are no longer a mystery to solve. Not only that, but I also think she won't be able to just walk away because she'll be compellsed to help rebuild the galaxy after the Reapers are dealt with(Mind you, I'm only basing this part on my own interpretation of her character). 

 

In fact, I'm going to also say that, along with their age difference, if Shepard does survive and is found, I'm seeing some potential problems that may arise when it comes to Liara's and Shep's relationship. Liara is still quite young by Asari standards, she isn't going to want to settle down any time soon. Shepard is still somewhat young himself/herself, and probably won't completely retire just yet. However, I'm also going to say that the Reaper War has kicked the s*** out of him/her, and his body will probably age a bit prematurely. There will come a point when he/she will want to settle down and retire. Liara will still be quite young at that point, and will still want to run her information network(she is quite driven, which is part of the reason I'm drawn to her character, but that's another matter entirely). It's not exactly a 9 to 5 job, and Shepard, along with any potential kids, will hold her back or get in the way. They may even prove to be a liability. She is only the most recent Shadow Broker, with her 2 predecessors being replaced by force-full takeover. A good number of her operatives will probably not like her attempts to clean up the organization, and there are probably a few of them who have the potential to try and usurp her. Sure, Shepard can still handle himself/herself now, but that won't last forever. 

 

In short, as much as I like the idea of Shepard and Liara continuing their romance after the Reaper war and settling down, I just don't see that happening unless Liara walks away from being the Shadow Broker, which isn't likely.

 

I'm actually with Han on this one. I think Liara would quite gladly drop the SB routine after the war. Sure, she would use her network to do as much good as possible, but after a few years(or hell, a decade, it's not like that's a lot of time for her), I just can't see her hanging on to it anymore. Like you said, the previous two Shadow Brokers met with untimely and violent end and I think this is pretty much the only way to attain the mantle. Liara is smart enough to know that and I believe the prospect of knowing you're living on borrowed time isn't appealing one.

 

Also, unlike yourself, I believe she lets it show she really isn't enjoying her new position all that much. There are some lines throughout the third game which let me believe that. Sure, the mysteries of the Protheans may not be that many, thanks to Javik(also, he was kinda ahole, which I think damped her enthusiasm on his people), but she is young... she has upwards nine centuries before her. That's a lot of time and like you said, she is driven. It's a big galaxy out there... lot of interest spheres to explore. She may write a book, she may go into academia... hell, she may learn how to dance the exotic dance for her commander

 

As for Shepard and the kids holding her back... if you choose the right option before the beam rush(which I realize not everybody does, but I think enough of us did that it's in the majority) she pretty much expresses a wish for multiple little blue children. Of course, there is the thing if she's even old enough to have kids(I believe so, but realize it's up for debate), but to me, it sounds like she's actually looking towards the prospect of having kids with Shepard.

 

What worries me more is this: after the war, Shepard is bound for serious case of PTSD. Maybe Liara as well. She saw Thessia ravaged, she could saw that as personal failure. That could affect relationship in negative way. There are some nice fanfics out there on that theme and I like seeing this viewpoint on relationship. Personally, I don't think it's all going to be sunshine and rainbows, but I also think Shepard and Liara will weather it just fine. Every relationship has some rough points, that's to be expected, but I think(and hope) this one will endure.

 

As for the age thing... Shepard is half cyborg by the end of the trilogy. If you've made use of all the upgrades in the second game(which again, I think most of us have), he/she has bones of titanium, skin as hard as steel... count in the Cerberus upgrades and I think Shepard could live twice as long as regular human and, as Han pointed out in the post above me, the lifespan of regular human is already extended compared to today.

 

Sure, most of those upgrades probably got fried when Destroy beam hits the galaxy, but that shouldn't be too hard to headcanon away. Especially if Miranda lives, since she could help a great deal.

[Coming0fShadows]

As for the age thing... Shepard is half cyborg by the end of the trilogy. If you've made use of all the upgrades in the second game(which again, I think most of us have), he/she has bones of titanium, skin as hard as steel... count in the Cerberus upgrades and I think Shepard could live twice as long as regular human and, as Han pointed out in the post above me, the lifespan of regular human is already extended compared to today.

 

Sure, most of those upgrades probably got fried when Destroy beam hits the galaxy, but that shouldn't be too hard to headcanon away. Especially if Miranda lives, since she could help a great deal.

I was just writing something along those lines....you beat me to it.. sigh




You and Han seemed to cover it all, not really any point in trying to add to all that

[The Gearinator]

You guys... I feel like my answer is inadequate, I need to think of a proper one now, I'll be back in a bit

[Han Shot First]

 

What worries me more is this: after the war, Shepard is bound for serious case of PTSD. Maybe Liara as well. She saw Thessia ravaged, she could saw that as personal failure. That could affect relationship in negative way. There are some nice fanfics out there on that theme and I like seeing this viewpoint on relationship. Personally, I don't think it's all going to be sunshine and rainbows, but I also think Shepard and Liara will weather it just fine. Every relationship has some rough points, that's to be expected, but I think(and hope) this one will endure.

 

 

 

Liara must have relatives, close friends, and colleagues on Thessia all of whom would be in the line of fire. Surely at least some of them must be among the war's dead. I could see that causing a case of survivor's guilt, particularly since Liara tends to be very empathetic. It would be in character I think for her to take those deaths very personally. Shepard of course is already suffering it.

 

On a side note I'm now kind of wondering whether that archaeologist that taught Liara to play the piano made it. If she died that kind of makes that scene in the Citadel DLC a bit sadder than it already is.

[The Gearinator]

Yeah after re-reading Mordokai's and Han's, theres nothing that i can really add to it, other than my crazy, totally-never-going-to-happen-even-in-the-ME-universe, headcanons. So I'll just agree with you two and ask that you ignore my rather insignificant answer.

[Mordokai]

Liara must have relatives, close friends, and colleagues on Thessia all of whom would be in the line of fire. Surely at least some of them must be among the war's dead. I could see that causing a case of survivor's guilt, particularly since Liara tends to be very empathetic. It would be in character I think for her to take those deaths very personally. Shepard of course is already suffering it.

 

On a side note I'm now kind of wondering whether that archaeologist that taught Liara to play the piano made it. If she died that kind of makes that scene in the Citadel DLC a bit sadder than it already is.

 

 

Good points there. And yeah, I think ME3 made it pretty clear that Shepard is already quite far down the PTSD road already.

 

Dr Olena... now that you mention it, it seems quite likely she was amongst the ones on Thessia... yeah, that gives the already bittersweet scene even darker undertone.

 

 

Yeah after re-reading Mordokai's and Han's, theres nothing that i can really add to it, other than my crazy, totally-never-going-to-happen-even-in-the-ME-universe, headcanons. So I'll just agree with you two and ask that you ignore my rather insignificant answer.

 

 

Hey, hey, hey... we'll have none of that Every contribution matters, so don't be afraid to share them. Especially since I just adore seeing more discussion around here.

 

This place has been developing a layer of dust and I love seeing it gone.

[The Gearinator]

Hey, hey, hey... we'll have none of that Every contribution matters, so don't be afraid to share them. Especially since I just adore seeing more discussion around here.

 

This place has been developing a layer of dust and I love seeing it gone.

 

Well if you're sure, but I must say that my head canon is very much the 'Merican stereo type ending and so all this talk of PTSD and survivors guilt makes it more or less irrelevant and even more on the side of  "Never gonna happen". Also I'll put it in a spoiler so that you have a chance to stop your self from the inevitable facepalm that would lead to you being able to scratch the inside of your skull, that will occur after reading this.

 

Spoiler

 

So after the reaper war, Shep is in intensive care after being found at the base of the beam to the Citadel (another head cannon for a later date) and the Normandy is stranded on the garden paradise, Liara believes that shep is dead as she has received no word from anyone to say other wise, although she remains hope that she isn't. A couple of days on the world and the galaxy wide comms are more or less up and Hacket (Is that how you spell it?) manages to contact the Normandy. He basically gives all the spiel that he does with the EC to the Normandy crew, as well as all that he mentions that shep is alive and she is in intensive care on earth, This then gives Liara hope and rejuvenates her will to fight. Liara then starts to think about the future with shep and all the Little blue children. (sorry, couldn't help my head canon) The crew, also mentally rejuvenated, get to work and manage to get the Normandy back to Earth, when they get back to Earth the crew start to help on re-building London (This helps to slow/delay the PTSD. I'm trying to factor in all the things the Mordokai and Han said to make it a little bit more believable) Liara find shep in intensive care and the doctors says that she is stable but they had to put her in a medically induced coma (makes the rest of the head canon possible and so I have no other reason for it, sorry ) Liara spends the next couple of days at shep's side, the doctors fear that PTSD might be taking hold, after two days Liara gets up and goes back to the Normandy and proceeds to use what is left of her SB resources (this is the "crazy, totally-never-going-to-happen-even-in-the-ME-universe" part)  to start researching into gene therapy and genetic modifications, she starts to compare female human and Asari genes, other than the obvious and large differences she finds that on the whole they are quite similar, after about 3 days she find that that there is one gene that effectively slows Asari's cells in decomposing and that is why they live for 1000's of years (not sure if Bioware ever actually came up for a reason for this and so I'm making one up now that fits my head canon. Also i never read the whole codex and so i might have missed them explaining it, if they did) she then runs sever extrapolations and virtual tests as to what would happen if these genes where somehow implemented into a human after another week of tests she gets an answer, It would prolong the hums recipients life to that of 1000 years, provided that every cell in the body was mutated and implemented with the gene. The ageing would slow proportionally, meaning that as shep it 30 she is about 20% though her standard human life and so when her cells slow ageing she would be the equivalent of a 200 year old Asari. This was what Liara was looking for, now all she need was shep to wake and to ba able to ask her if she would want this, but in the mean time she need to figure out how she would do it, and not long after this break through she come up with human stem cells and decides that if shep did want this then that's how she could do it. After a couple of weeks, shep wakes and Liara and the rest of the crew is overwhelmed with happiness and joy, more so Liara obviously, she is still bed redden buck nevertheless, awake and alive. After a long talk Liara get and to it tells shep what found out and how she could do it, at this point shep isn't really suffering from PTSD yet (relatively speaking) and so she agrees to go along with it and after another bout of anaesthetic and several injections  of odified human stem cells, she awakes 6 hours later and the stem cells have done their job. Using some fancy sciency stuff Liara and the doctors give a predictions that Shep now has about 800 left. The rebuilds continue on Earth and with yet more sciency stuff shep is up and helping with the rebuilds in 2 days, Further weeks go by and Earth is now basically what it was before but with quite a few renovations to boot. Now after all this is done, Liara and shep after relax with their friends for a couple days. They've built a house that is on the out skirts of London that overlooks the mouth of the Thames and that end of the City. After a further couple of days of pure happiness, shep starts to have Vivid and disturbing dreams, Liara also. Together they try and stick it out but it is just getting worse, and so they decide its probably best to see a professional for some help, after quite some time (I have no idea how long it may or may not take) both of their dreams start to ease up a bit and gradually go away. After this ordeal and with some more help and advice from their friends Liara and Shep get married, and live in their house together forever. Later that year Liara falls pregnant with twins. Things look up for Shep and Liara and as much and she might have regretted having the her genes modified while she was suffering with PTSD, now Shep is more than happy that she and Liara can live together for the foreseeable future. And thats my head canon! now feel free to facepalm and give me a virtual slap.

 

 

And that's my head canon! now feel free to facepalm and give me a virtual slap. As you no doubt are thinking, what is this dude on? Also if you did read the Wall o' text that is hidden within the spoiler then you can thank me latter for wasting you time, preferably after the all the virtual slaps have been given.

 

EDIT - should say that i didn't really spell check it, so there maybe and probably is quite a few errors sorry

[The Gearinator]

And the silence proves how many people died due to the extreme facepalm that was force upon them by my head canon,

I will mourn you all