I found this during browsing Liara's tumblr and I'm gonna post it here for future use, because I just know it's gonna come handy in the future. Besides, well said, random stranger from the internet!
I didnt realize that people who liked Liara complained about the way she acted about Thessia/Mars/ect ect ect...
I rather liked her mentality regarding all that. I mean its an interesting read but whats the target audience? I feel like im missing something..
I've recently noticed something in Liara's behavior during and after Thessia.
First, she can't believe it's happening. Then she picks herself up and pushes to the temple with hope that it holds the key to defeating the Reapers and saving her people. I can relate to that.
That's when things get weird for me. After Kai Leng escapes with the data and Shepard listens to asari soldiers dying, when all the hope is seemingly lost, she doesn't break and tries to comfort Shepard. I would've expected it to be vice versa. That continues on the ship when she says that no one could've predicted Cerberus getting there first. At that point I expect her to cope with that initial grief strike, but then she proceeds to almost attack Javik.
How do you justify her sudden emotional changes?
Strictly from my personal POW... Javik was being an ahole. He may have had a point, but you don't gloat about stuff like civilization being destroyed. Tensions were running high and Liara has been pretty emotional on this subject. Then along comes Mr Troll and just pushes and pushes... I don't find it weird that Liara finally snapped.
I didnt realize that people who liked Liara complained about the way she acted about Thessia/Mars/ect ect ect...
I rather liked her mentality regarding all that. I mean its an interesting read but whats the target audience? I feel like im missing something..
I'm guessing there were people like that? I mainly posted it here to shove into haters' face when the subject is brought up again, which we know it will, it's just a matter of time.
I don't expect this to change anybody's opinion, mind you. It's just another nice piece to have to show to haters how wrong they are, even if they will ignore it, like everything else that doesn't agree with their preconceived vision of Liara.
Strictly from my personal POW... Javik was being an ahole. He may have had a point, but you don't gloat about stuff like civilization being destroyed. Tensions were running high and Liara has been pretty emotional on this subject. Then along comes Mr Troll and just pushes and pushes... I don't find it weird that Liara finally snapped.
I'm guessing there were people like that? I mainly posted it here to shove into haters' face when the subject is brought up again, which we know it will, it's just a matter of time.
I don't expect this to change anybody's opinion, mind you. It's just another nice piece to have to show to haters how wrong they are, even if they will ignore it, like everything else that doesn't agree with their preconceived vision of Liara.
I believe it's said that Liara goes down to see Javik. That's not the point though, I'm more interested in changes in her attitude before Javik confrontation.
Ok, so not really related to Liara, but I kinda is because LotSB, does anyone know if there is a Tela Vasir armour mod for Shep or Liara?
Also my opinion is that if you've romanced Liara then she will try and comfort Shep in an attempt to make him/her feel better because Liara doesn't like seeing Shep sad and depressed and so tries to comfort Shep - Obviously putting her own feelings aside so that she can make the one she is "going to spend the rest of her life with" feel better
And if Liara isn't romanced then I guess it's because she just needs to focus on something that isn't the loss of Thesia and that come in the form f Shep beating him/her self up.
The whole post-Thessia dialogue is poorly done. First, Shepard is blaming herself for the loss (WTF?) and everyone is saying "its not your fault" then suddenly, Liara is blaming herself and Shepard (if interrupt taken) says "stop blaming yourself." There's no continuity here. Just lots of attempts to pull at heart strings, but no real sense of how these things fit together.
I also found the writing on Liara's reaction to Banshees to be over-the-top. She keeps freaking out that Asari have been turned into husks, but has never once evinced any concerns about blowing away husks from other races. Again with the feelz, logic take a back seat.
I don't get her reaction to Prothean intervention on Thessia either. She knows quite well the Protheans have been intervening with other races. Is it any surprise they intervened with hers? Again, go for the feels, not logical continuity.
Finally, Javik's claim that the Protheans gave the Asari biotics is another poke-in-the-eye at established lore about everything living thing on Thessia having biotics. Once Javik claimed that Asari biotics were the result of Prothean intervention I basically discounted everything else he said as a lie.
Over and over in ME3 the writers showed they only cared about spectacle and feelz and the devil take logic and sense. Perhaps this is because there are so many writers. If there was just one writer then you might not get all of these problems, though even the best writers can still leave you with gaping, huge plot holes. (So, why didn't the eagles fly the ring to Mount Doom, anyway?)
I always did assume javik was lying about almost everything he said starting from the beginning. The plot lines also do get all screwy with thessia, things not making sense and what not... Also having multiple writers is fine, if you have someone overseeing the whole thing, making sure it doesnt break lore or the main story arc. Clearly they did not.
What gave Liara the right to argue with Javik after Thessia? Shouldn't she be more concerned with why her people failed to mention the beacon earlier?
What gave Liara the right to argue with Javik after Thessia?
I thought the line "My people were not animals for you to experiment on" made it quite clear why she confronted him.
The whole post-Thessia dialogue is poorly done. First, Shepard is blaming herself for the loss (WTF?) and everyone is saying "its not your fault" then suddenly, Liara is blaming herself and Shepard (if interrupt taken) says "stop blaming yourself." There's no continuity here. Just lots of attempts to pull at heart strings, but no real sense of how these things fit together.
I also found the writing on Liara's reaction to Banshees to be over-the-top. She keeps freaking out that Asari have been turned into husks, but has never once evinced any concerns about blowing away husks from other races. Again with the feelz, logic take a back seat.
I don't get her reaction to Prothean intervention on Thessia either. She knows quite well the Protheans have been intervening with other races. Is it any surprise they intervened with hers? Again, go for the feels, not logical continuity.
Finally, Javik's claim that the Protheans gave the Asari biotics is another poke-in-the-eye at established lore about everything living thing on Thessia having biotics. Once Javik claimed that Asari biotics were the result of Prothean intervention I basically discounted everything else he said as a lie.
Over and over in ME3 the writers showed they only cared about spectacle and feelz and the devil take logic and sense. Perhaps this is because there are so many writers. If there was just one writer then you might not get all of these problems, though even the best writers can still leave you with gaping, huge plot holes. (So, why didn't the eagles fly the ring to Mount Doom, anyway?)
Because the eagles could never get close with the watchful eye of Sauron?
I believe you are being a little bit overly-harsh and critical of a part of the story that could have potentially been handled better, but wasn't terrible.
Shepard isn't necessarily sad about Thessia going up in flames, although he certainly wasn't happy about it. In truth, it was the Asari who were to blame for failure to join the rest of the galaxy and ignore the reaper threat because of centuries old divisions with the krogan. What Shepard was angry about was losing to Kai Leng, who obtained the prothean VI, which was the galaxy's last shot at figuring out what "the Catalyst" was.
Liara, on the contrary, is upset about Thessia. She, for obvious reasons, is an Asari, and she is also the Shadow Broker. With so much power and resources at her fingertips, I too would be a little upset if I didn't do more to avert an impending doom upon my planet. Wouldn't you be upset if everything you ever knew or cared about was destroyed and you felt like you could have possibly made a difference to stop it?
Liara empathizes with Garrus about Palaven and Shepard about Earth. She can never be truly upset, however, until the horrendous acts are actually hitting closer to home. Seeing the banshees. Seeing Thessia being destroyed. These are tangible things that impact her as an Asari and as an individual.
Liara and the Asari had a very unrealistic outlook of what the Protheans actually were. She essentially worshiped them like gods without ever truly knowing them, and the Asari also just believed they were superior to the other organics in the galaxy. They found the Citadel. They were the first Council race. They were the leaders of the government and had lifespans far exceeding anyone else. Such realizations eventually will go to one's head.
Why would Javik lie? What purpose would he gain? He was merely blunt and willing to state exactly how things were. I found his direct approach to be rather illuminating.
Anything to do with the main story was all Mac Walters. The other writers were either writing the story for the various companions or creating side missions. I truly believe ME3 was the best out of the trilogy, and had the most heart-warming and tragic story we have seen in a very long time in the video game industry. It wasn't perfect. It had its flaws, but it was an incredibly gratifying experience and one I can continue to play over and over.
I thought the line "My people were not animals for you to experiment on" made it quite clear why she confronted him.
That still doesn't give her the right to barge in on him and verbally attack him. It wasn't his fault. He didn't exist until long after the reapers were already harvesting his people.
Why would Javik lie? What purpose would he gain? He was merely blunt and willing to state exactly how things were. I found his direct approach to be rather illuminating.
As cap and gown mentioned, we know he lies about asari biotics. All asari are biotics because Thessia has an abundance of element zero...which has influenced all life on Thessia to develop biotic powers. The protheans had nothing to do with that. That is explained in the codex. So I would take anything Javik says with a grain of salt, especially because some other things he mentioned don't make much sense either.
Thessia wiki page states that "Because life on Thessia evolved in an eezo-rich environment, the world is home to a wealth of both biotically active and eezo-resistant species" and "Traces of eezo in the water and soil are so common that most life on Thessia has adapted to its presence". There is nothing about asari being biotic through natural evolution. It is likely, yes, but never stated. Javik may very well be correct.
"The gift of biotics" might also include meditation and mental training techniques required to effectively control mass effect fields.
I am ashamed to admit I play SWTOR now mostly.But once a week if I have time
I return to ME.
I dont have much free time.Work work work....
As cap and gown mentioned, we know he lies about asari biotics. All asari are biotics because Thessia has an abundance of element zero...which has influenced all life on Thessia to develop biotic powers. The protheans had nothing to do with that. That is explained in the codex. So I would take anything Javik says with a grain of salt, especially because some other things he mentioned don't make much sense either.
Who is to say the element zero wasn't transported there by the protheans? That codex entry hardly gives any specific details. I don't see how this somehow discredits Javik. Again, he has no reason to lie. I think people are just merely pulling at straws here because they do not like the idea that protheans uplifted the asari. Protheans ruled the entire galaxy. It makes sense that they uplifted the asari has a fail safe in case things went wrong. Plenty of species have been uplifted and I don't see why this time would be any different.
Who is to say the element zero wasn't transported there by the protheans?
The codex says that all life on Thessia has adapted to the presence of so much eezo. Evolution of all species on a planet in just 50k years? It goes against what we know of evolution, though not as BW understands it, apparently, since they apparently believe that you can develop completely new and very different species in just 50k years. (Hanar were minnows in the sea just 50k years ago? Yeah right.)
The codex says that all life on Thessia has adapted to the presence of so much eezo. Evolution of all species on a planet in just 50k years? It goes against what we know of evolution, though not as BW understands it, apparently, since they apparently believe that you can develop completely new and very different species in just 50k years. (Hanar were minnows in the sea just 50k years ago? Yeah right.)
Yeah, this has always bothered me about the later games. I think the first ME had it right iirc, but it becomes uncomfortable in ME 3 for sure. I've always taken Javic's dialogue as a slight bit of trolling mixed with a bit of metaphore. I imagine that before there was language, at the birth of what is now seen as "the modern Salarian" (kind of like the Salarian equivalent of the the Neaderthal/modern human interbreeding era), they may well have eaten flies. However, I doubt their liver would be a delicacy due to their sapient (or is it sentient, forget which) nature - unless the Protheans were extremely ruthless.
Merry christmas guys and grills. 
Even you haters too.
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You're early, my man 
Though that is certainly a gift I wouldn't mind unwrapping multiple times until Christmas 
Here's my own contribution to the spirit of the season.
The codex says that all life on Thessia has adapted to the presence of so much eezo. Evolution of all species on a planet in just 50k years? It goes against what we know of evolution, though not as BW understands it, apparently, since they apparently believe that you can develop completely new and very different species in just 50k years. (Hanar were minnows in the sea just 50k years ago? Yeah right.)
Well your first mistake was assuming that our evolution would match that of other organics... Secondly what would BioWare know of evolution anyways? They make video games lol. I don't really mind head-scratching facts such as those as they generally aren't that pivotal to the entire experience. I certainly don't expect to see BioWare studying Darwinism going forward in order to create species. I'd rather they just make a fun game instead one that is believable. Reapers and space magic kind of threw out the realism a long time ago.
Merry christmas guys and grills.
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That is just the scariest look on Liara's face... Is she high on red sand or something?
That is just the scariest look on Liara's face... Is she high on red sand or something?
No. She's pissed about all the hate in HER thread.
You're early, my man
Though that is certainly a gift I wouldn't mind unwrapping multiple times until Christmas
Yeah, maybe a little. I've been waiting to post that for a while. 
Someone said something about Liara being in the "Guns of the Galaxy" calendar. Well this is one I like.
Hell. I just wanted a reason to post a pic.
Another one from tumblr... this one had me snickering.
Liara would totally be a really enthusiastic archaeologist. And she would probably be totally star struck when Shepard would show up and rescue her from a bunch of outlaws.
As much as I am all about Shakarian I think Liara and fem!Shep are so damn cute. (It just doesn’t really work with Olivia’s personality so yeah personal headcanons about my Sheparoonie).
Not as sexy as Rane's, but there's plenty of that left in my folder for later
Anybody else thinking what i'm thinking?
Anybody else thinking what i'm thinking?
Actually...
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