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[TMA LIVE]

SilentNukee wrote...

Fiddles_stix wrote...

What is this thing? It... it... it's just horrible! I though the sculpture was bad enough but colour takes it from being bad to "nuke it from orbit just to be sure" as no one can want this thing to rise again! DX

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Shepard: I got a present for you Liara.

(hands her statue)

Liara: ... Thanks Shepard... What is it?

Shepard: (smiles) It's you!

Liara: .................. Please take it back.

[Korkki]

Robhuzz wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Dude,The Shadow Broker is downright terrifying.

He knows about Morinth if you switch her.

He knows about Lazarus.

He fricking knows about keije's gray box. Says its valuable even if you erase it. Says even the blank gray box is valuable.

Knows Garrus was archangel.

Knows about Mordin and his work.

Heck he fricking KNOWS ABOUT HARBINGER BEING A REAPER. And about the prothean/collector connection. Even before Shepard does the Suicide Mission.

He even knews the becon was a message and what it does. And Shepard wasn't lying about the visions.
(happens only if LOTSB done before the collector ship mission. )

More importantly for ME3 now that TIM is once again Shepard's enemy: The Shadow Broker most definitely knows where TIM's space station is, as well as all other Cerberus facilities. TIM probably wouldn't want Shepard and the fleet he gathers to pay him a visit so... I'm sure you can put two and two together.

That's what I was thinking too. But the other thing I've been thinking is that, now that we know Cerberus and TIM are after Shepard in ME3, are they hunting him simply because 'Shep distroyed my collector base and stole my cool frigate!' or are they indoctrinated by the reapers. IMO it would be stupid to go after Shepard knowing that he's basicly the only person in the galaxy who can stop the reapers, If Cerberus and TIM aren't working for the reapers. TIM also knows what happened to Saren when he tried to prove himself useful to the reapers, so I don't believe that he would do the same. So IMO only possible explanation is that either TIM or cerberus troops or all of them are indoctrinated by the reapers and that's why they are after Shepard.

[Ophiskc]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shepard: I got a present for you Liara.

(hands her statue)

Liara: ... Thanks Shepard... What is it?

Shepard: (smiles) It's you!

Liara: .................. Please take it back.

[Robhuzz]

Korkki wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

More importantly for ME3 now that TIM is once again Shepard's enemy: The Shadow Broker most definitely knows where TIM's space station is, as well as all other Cerberus facilities. TIM probably wouldn't want Shepard and the fleet he gathers to pay him a visit so... I'm sure you can put two and two together.

That's what I was thinking too. But the other thing I've been thinking is that, now that we know Cerberus and TIM are after Shepard in ME3, are they hunting him simply because 'Shep distroyed my collector base and stole my cool frigate!' or are they indoctrinated by the reapers. IMO it would be stupid to go after Shepard knowing that he's basicly the only person in the galaxy who can stop the reapers, If Cerberus and TIM aren't working for the reapers. TIM also knows what happened to Saren when he tried to prove himself useful to the reapers, so I don't believe that he would do the same. So IMO only possible explanation is that either TIM or cerberus troops or all of them are indoctrinated by the reapers and that's why they are after Shepard.

This is going off topic but it's a welcome break from the 'Liara' statue. Shepard is on a mission to unite all the races in the universe to help humanity. Being a pro human group who wants to put their species on top, having humanity ally with all the aliens isn't such a good idea in Cerberus's eyes. I think it's more that they want to stop the Reapers but also secure human dominance so they fight Shepard and his attempt at forming an alliance.

So how is Cerberus going to beat the Reapers then? This image is very similar to what we see during the Overlord DLC. My guess is Cerberus continued the experiment (either with David or another person) and has figured out how to control the Geth. They may feel sicking the Geth on the Reapers will win the war and leave humanity with virtually limitless army of synthetics...

No need to let Shepard live to try and undo this by beating the reapers himself and organizing all other species in the galaxy while he's at it...

[Kadzin]

Ophiskc wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shepard: I got a present for you Liara.

(hands her statue)

Liara: ... Thanks Shepard... What is it?

Shepard: (smiles) It's you!

Liara: .................. Please take it back.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Liara: Hey Shepard.
Shepard: Yes Liara?
Liara: I got a present for you too.
Shepard: Great! What is it?
Liara: Here you go. img717.imageshack.us/img717/2641/uglyshep1.jpg
Shepard: ... What in the god's name is this?
Liara: It's what your face would have looked like if I didn't give Cerberus your face code.
Shepard: Okay Okay I get the point I will get rid of the statue!

[WoolyJoe]

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: That Liara statuette is a poisonous agent planted by another thread
Whatever happened to all teh talk o’ dem eyes? Curse those jealous threads…!

[Korkki]

Robhuzz wrote...

This is going off topic but it's a welcome break from the 'Liara' statue. Shepard is on a mission to unite all the races in the universe to help humanity. Being a pro human group who wants to put their species on top, having humanity ally with all the aliens isn't such a good idea in Cerberus's eyes. I think it's more that they want to stop the Reapers but also secure human dominance so they fight Shepard and his attempt at forming an alliance.

So how is Cerberus going to beat the Reapers then? This image is very similar to what we see during the Overlord DLC. My guess is Cerberus continued the experiment (either with David or another person) and has figured out how to control the Geth. They may feel sicking the Geth on the Reapers will win the war and leave humanity with virtually limitless army of synthetics...

No need to let Shepard live to try and undo this by beating the reapers himself and organizing all other species in the galaxy while he's at it...

Hmm.. I haven't thought about that, sounds quite rational. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Maybe this is enough for this off topic, so now back to the most important thing, here's something blue:

Modifié par Korkki, 04 septembre 2011 - 01:50 .

[Ophiskc]

Korkki wrote...

[robtheguru]

The picture below is a real life photograph of Liara when she sees the statue:

[alex90c]

Ophiskc wrote...

Korkki wrote...

ah yes ... normal Liara, how I have missed you :innocent:

[ladyvader]

ratzerman wrote...

Don't worry, folks. Turns out we were wrong. The statue isn't ugly, insulting, embarrassing, etc.

Turns out it's just "stylized."

I don't know about anyone else, but I sure am relieved.

WOW, that was my tweet.  Cool.  I'm still not impressed with it.

If I understand a different Hudson post, Liara isn't the only character this company is doing statue for.

[kumquats]

Korkki wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

More importantly for ME3 now that TIM is once again Shepard's enemy: The Shadow Broker most definitely knows where TIM's space station is, as well as all other Cerberus facilities. TIM probably wouldn't want Shepard and the fleet he gathers to pay him a visit so... I'm sure you can put two and two together.

So how is Cerberus going to beat the Reapers then? This image is very similar to what we see during the Overlord DLC. My guess is Cerberus continued the experiment (either with David or another person) and has figured out how to control the Geth. They may feel sicking the Geth on the Reapers will win the war and leave humanity with virtually limitless army of synthetics...

No need to let Shepard live to try and undo this by beating the reapers himself and organizing all other species in the galaxy while he's at it...

Using the Geth as an army is certainly the idea I'm going for with my Renegade. Including some other Ideas, I have planed out.
I'm just wondering all the time, if Liara builds up a new Shadow Broker army, that would be awesome if she could command a small fleet.

Modifié par kumquats, 04 septembre 2011 - 02:16 .

[robtheguru]

kumquats wrote...

Korkki wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

More importantly for ME3 now that TIM is once again Shepard's enemy: The Shadow Broker most definitely knows where TIM's space station is, as well as all other Cerberus facilities. TIM probably wouldn't want Shepard and the fleet he gathers to pay him a visit so... I'm sure you can put two and two together.

So how is Cerberus going to beat the Reapers then? This image is very similar to what we see during the Overlord DLC. My guess is Cerberus continued the experiment (either with David or another person) and has figured out how to control the Geth. They may feel sicking the Geth on the Reapers will win the war and leave humanity with virtually limitless army of synthetics...

No need to let Shepard live to try and undo this by beating the reapers himself and organizing all other species in the galaxy while he's at it...

Using the Geth as an army is certainly the idea I'm going for with my Renegade. Including some other Ideas, I have planed out.
I'm just wondering all the time, if Liara builds up a new Shadow Broker army, that would be awesome if she could command a small fleet.

I'd be tempted to take use the Geth as a force although i'd have the nagging feeling in the back of my head that the Reapers would end up releasing some sort of "brainwashing" virus on the Geth and turn them against me.

[ladyvader]

Kadzin wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shepard: I got a present for you Liara.

(hands her statue)

Liara: ... Thanks Shepard... What is it?

Shepard: (smiles) It's you!

Liara: .................. Please take it back.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Liara: Hey Shepard.
Shepard: Yes Liara?
Liara: I got a present for you too.
Shepard: Great! What is it?
Liara: Here you go. img717.imageshack.us/img717/2641/uglyshep1.jpg
Shepard: ... What in the god's name is this?
Liara: It's what your face would have looked like if I didn't give Cerberus your face code.
Shepard: Okay Okay I get the point I will get rid of the statue!

Well played :lol:

[Robhuzz]

robtheguru wrote...

kumquats wrote...

Korkki wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

More importantly for ME3 now that TIM is once again Shepard's enemy: The Shadow Broker most definitely knows where TIM's space station is, as well as all other Cerberus facilities. TIM probably wouldn't want Shepard and the fleet he gathers to pay him a visit so... I'm sure you can put two and two together.

So how is Cerberus going to beat the Reapers then? This image is very similar to what we see during the Overlord DLC. My guess is Cerberus continued the experiment (either with David or another person) and has figured out how to control the Geth. They may feel sicking the Geth on the Reapers will win the war and leave humanity with virtually limitless army of synthetics...

No need to let Shepard live to try and undo this by beating the reapers himself and organizing all other species in the galaxy while he's at it...

Using the Geth as an army is certainly the idea I'm going for with my Renegade. Including some other Ideas, I have planed out.
I'm just wondering all the time, if Liara builds up a new Shadow Broker army, that would be awesome if she could command a small fleet.

I'd be tempted to take use the Geth as a force although i'd have the nagging feeling in the back of my head that the Reapers would end up releasing some sort of "brainwashing" virus on the Geth and turn them against me.

Good hunch I'd say. As I understand it, the virus to reprogram the true geth into heretic geth came from Sovereign. I'd say there's a pretty good chance another reaper could just reproduce this virus then distribute it among the true geth once they attack them. For all you renegades though: The Reapers could rewrite the Geth regardless of whether or not you use them as allies so... use them I'd say  Along with (without the genophage) the Krogan, Geth would make a formidable army as shock troops.

[Tommy6860]

Kadzin wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shepard: I got a present for you Liara.

(hands her statue)

Liara: ... Thanks Shepard... What is it?

Shepard: (smiles) It's you!

Liara: .................. Please take it back.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Liara: Hey Shepard.
Shepard: Yes Liara?
Liara: I got a present for you too.
Shepard: Great! What is it?
Liara: Here you go. img717.imageshack.us/img717/2641/uglyshep1.jpg
Shepard: ... What in the god's name is this?
Liara: It's what your face would have looked like if I didn't give Cerberus your face code.
Shepard: Okay Okay I get the point I will get rid of the statue!

Haha! That is amusing!

[Kadzin]

this page is missing dem eyes

[robtheguru]

Kadzin wrote...

this page is missing dem eyes

Those eyes have ruined everyone elses eyes for me...nobodies eyes can live up to them lol

[kumquats]

Robhuzz wrote...

robtheguru wrote...


I'd be tempted to take use the Geth as a force although i'd have the nagging feeling in the back of my head that the Reapers would end up releasing some sort of "brainwashing" virus on the Geth and turn them against me.

Good hunch I'd say. As I understand it, the virus to reprogram the true geth into heretic geth came from Sovereign. I'd say there's a pretty good chance another reaper could just reproduce this virus then distribute it among the true geth once they attack them. For all you renegades though: The Reapers could rewrite the Geth regardless of whether or not you use them as allies so... use them I'd say  Along with (without the genophage) the Krogan, Geth would make a formidable army as shock troops.

Possible, the Geth would be the only race immune to the indoctrination, a very powerful weapon.

But the heretic were never reprogrammed, there was only a small group who came to a different mathematical conclusion like the rest of the Geth concerning Sovereign.

That's how I understood it.

Modifié par kumquats, 04 septembre 2011 - 02:45 .

[Trinity66]

robtheguru wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

this page is missing dem eyes

Those eyes have ruined everyone elses eyes for me...nobodies eyes can live up to them lol

Those eyes are more popular then Miranda's ass ( I hate Miranda's ass ).

[robtheguru]

Trinity66 wrote...

robtheguru wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

this page is missing dem eyes

Those eyes have ruined everyone elses eyes for me...nobodies eyes can live up to them lol

Those eyes are more popular then Miranda's ass ( I hate Miranda's ass ).

I love Mirandas ass. I never used to be an ass man but after Miranda's I have definitely started to pick up on nice asses 

[Robhuzz]

kumquats wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

robtheguru wrote...


I'd be tempted to take use the Geth as a force although i'd have the nagging feeling in the back of my head that the Reapers would end up releasing some sort of "brainwashing" virus on the Geth and turn them against me.

Good hunch I'd say. As I understand it, the virus to reprogram the true geth into heretic geth came from Sovereign. I'd say there's a pretty good chance another reaper could just reproduce this virus then distribute it among the true geth once they attack them. For all you renegades though: The Reapers could rewrite the Geth regardless of whether or not you use them as allies so... use them I'd say  Along with (without the genophage) the Krogan, Geth would make a formidable army as shock troops.

Possible, the Geth would be the only race immune to the indoctrination, a very powerful weapon.

But the heretic were never reprogrammed, there was only a small group who came to a different mathematical conclusion like the rest of the Geth concerning Sovereign.

That's how I understood it.

Yes but Legion states they have a virus that would reprogram the true geth to accept the vision of the heretics. Shepard and Legion head for the station it is being kept and at the end of the mission, you decide whether to alter the virus to affect the heretics instead or just destroy it and the heretics. I assume the original virus was made by Sovereign, although how come Legion is simply able to reverse it I do not know..

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

kumquats wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

robtheguru wrote...


I'd be tempted to take use the Geth as a force although i'd have the nagging feeling in the back of my head that the Reapers would end up releasing some sort of "brainwashing" virus on the Geth and turn them against me.

Good hunch I'd say. As I understand it, the virus to reprogram the true geth into heretic geth came from Sovereign. I'd say there's a pretty good chance another reaper could just reproduce this virus then distribute it among the true geth once they attack them. For all you renegades though: The Reapers could rewrite the Geth regardless of whether or not you use them as allies so... use them I'd say  Along with (without the genophage) the Krogan, Geth would make a formidable army as shock troops.

Possible, the Geth would be the only race immune to the indoctrination, a very powerful weapon.

But the heretic were never reprogrammed, there was only a small group who came to a different mathematical conclusion like the rest of the Geth concerning Sovereign.

That's how I understood it.

Yes but Legion states they have a virus that would reprogram the true geth to accept the vision of the heretics. Shepard and Legion head for the station it is being kept and at the end of the mission, you decide whether to alter the virus to affect the heretics instead or just destroy it and the heretics. I assume the original virus was made by Sovereign, although how come Legion is simply able to reverse it I do not know..

Because Legion is just that awesome. 

[TMA LIVE]

Let's not go off topic with TIM and Cerberus. And the statue bit is taking over.

How about this: How much do you want Liara to stay independent?

Because this has always been a debate with me. Some people don't what Liara to depend on Shepard, and make her own choices without his influence. Some people want to continue being the savior and white knight for Liara, and control her path. But I want to figure out what people want out of her as a character, and how she interacts with Shepard.

In some ways, she's always been strong and independent since ME1. She mostly works alone, and tries to take care of herself. The thing is, she was very shy, and you had to rescue her. A lot of people saw her as helpless, and shouldn't be on the battlefield. There's even lines where Shepard can give her romantic bull****, like "I'll keep you safe".

But after giving her this line, Liara will say "I'm not looking for a protector". Some see this as her still showing her independence. But I never liked this line, since I never felt it was completely true. Especially since she wants to be on board for protection against Saren. So I never felt sold on it. And I know a lot of people still felt like she was flower needing protection.

Now fast forward to ME2, she's independent super woman. Yet still needs you to give her data in order to find the Shadow Broker. She still needs you to hack terminals for her, because you're the only person she trusts. She's still a person that needs help.

However, that's as far as it goes. She avoids being killed by a sniper, survives an explosion, chases a Spectre, while Shepard has to play catchup. She's the one leading forward. She's the one who choose to be Shadow Broker. And she seems to not want rely on you, and clearly doesn't need your protection. This I like, because she has to learn that it's alright to need help from others. That yes, you can do things on your own, but so much more can be done with the help of others.

Now let's talk about emotional support.

Some believe being strong and independent means Liara shouldn't need Shepard emotionally. Or have any real emotional moments, where she needs support. Yet, one of my main complaints in ME1 was when she helped kill her mother, and she was over it. Yes, she misses her, but she was pretty much keeping it all inside. She's not allowing you to really help her. Or you were simply never given the chance. Which I always found disappointing.

It's something I hope never becomes repeated in ME3. Like say, say Liara's father dies:

Shepard: Oh, Liara. I'm so sorry for you. You just started getting to know your father, and now she's dead. She got indoctrinated, and you have to shoot her.

Liara: Yes, it's very sad. I'll try to remember her.

.....

Shepard: Shouldn't you be more emotional about it?

Liara: I'm over it. Let's continue the mission.

Another thing people didn't like about her character in ME2, was that no matter how much you gave, or did for her, nothing ever got beyond business. Everything was about the Shadow Broker, Feron, and hardly anything with about talking about the two of you. It was all just mostly business.

While in LOTSB, at the end, she wants to spend time with you, despite having a busy schedule. She wants to have a moment where you and her matter, and nothing else.

So, with all that being said, what exactly do you want out of Liara as a independent woman? What do you expect?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 04 septembre 2011 - 03:03 .

[kumquats]

Robhuzz wrote...

Yes but Legion states they have a virus that would reprogram the true geth to accept the vision of the heretics. Shepard and Legion head for the station it is being kept and at the end of the mission, you decide whether to alter the virus to affect the heretics instead or just destroy it and the heretics. I assume the original virus was made by Sovereign, although how come Legion is simply able to reverse it I do not know..

I looked it up again. The heretics made the virus to turn the rest of the Geth into heretics. I think he got it from the destroyed Reaper?

[edit]: It is from Sovereign, created by the heretics. It's all very complicated, LoL.

Modifié par kumquats, 04 septembre 2011 - 03:06 .