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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

King Minos wrote...

Criminal is someone who commited a crime, a crime is a breach of the law. I am pretty sure murder is a break of the law, the asari greeter on Illium even states this. And surprise surprise! Liara kills! Rob a sweet no matter how small it is, it's a breach of the law and your a criminal, threats of assault or murder is a criminal offence. Association with Cerberus, a terrorist in citadel space, the Asari councillor herself said that it is treason. Don't hide it, liara is a criminal, along with Anderson, Tali, Shepard, Joker and pretty much every bugger who happens to work with Shepard.

Okay Liara is a criminal then. But none of those are damning things considering the reasons she did them. And I highly doubt Aethyta would care about such things too.

[Pockles]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Also Cerberus is not openly recognized/condemned by the Council as a terrorist organization. Or Shepard couldn't have parked the SR2 all over Citadel space without incurring an arrest.

It is. "You are working for Cerberus, an avowed enemy of the Council."

Modifié par Pockles, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:45 .

[Jakedee010v2]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Liara kills!

In self defense. Justifiable homicide.

threats of assault or murder

It's called figures of speech.

Association with Cerberus

Cerberus is not openly recognized/condemned by the Council as a terrorist organization. Or Shepard couldn't have parked the SR2 all over Citadel space without incurring an arrest.

So, yeah. Not a criminal.

I approve of this post. Liara is a doctor, not a murderer!

[ladyvader]

Pockles wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Also Cerberus is not openly recognized/condemned by the Council as a terrorist organization. Or Shepard couldn't have parked the SR2 all over Citadel space without incurring an arrest.

It is. "You are working for Cerebrus, an avowed enemy of the Council."

Then why wasn't Shepard arrested right then and there.  At that point most people only have Jacob and Miranda with them, they don't get arrested either and they are wearing Cerberus clothes, unlike Shepard who is in N7 armor?

[PMC65]

ladyvader wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Korkki wrote...

I always thought that the asari kids won't get any DNA from their father, it's just used to randomize mother's DNA. And about behaving like ones own father (Aethyta and that other asari) I think it's just more about how they were raised, their fathers were part of their upbringing. It's the same thing that if your father played football and you're playing football, you didn't inherit some football gene from your father, your father might have introduced you to that sport or you just happened to like it yourself.

The "blue rose" asari is pretty clear about it as well as Liara. To me it adds that extra layer that if your Shepard wanted kids that were truly part of him/her (has their features, genes, etc) then Shepard would need to look at alternatives. 

I think that if you have a Shepard that wanted his/her own kids Liara would be 100% supportive because she understands better than Shepard how her children would be 'hers". That does not seem odd to her the way it does to humans.

I don't have a problem with that part of the asaris. I think my Shepard and Liara would work all that stuff out if it ever came up.

Shepard seems to understand that.  Marriage, old age, and a lot of blue children. 

I know that my Shepard does ... that's why even if that bartender is the one that Benezia used as the "secondary parent" it will not make her go "Liara you are part krogan!" She isn't. She is not only 100% asari she is a "pureblood" asari, whatever the kripe that means.

[King Minos]

Telam Vasir, both were involved. Killing a spectre isn't good news or was that scene in the King Minos edition of lair of the shadow broker?

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Criminal is someone who commited a crime, a crime is a breach of the law. I am pretty sure murder is a break of the law, the asari greeter on Illium even states this. And surprise surprise! Liara kills! Rob a sweet no matter how small it is, it's a breach of the law and your a criminal, threats of assault or murder is a criminal offence. Association with Cerberus, a terrorist in citadel space, the Asari councillor herself said that it is treason. Don't hide it, liara is a criminal, along with Anderson, Tali, Shepard, Joker and pretty much every bugger who happens to work with Shepard.

Okay Liara is a criminal then. But none of those are damning things considering the reasons she did them. And I highly doubt Aethyta would care about such things too.

"Criminal? A label created by the Council to give voice to their dissaproval. In the end, what they chose to call her is irrelevant, she simply is [Liara]"

[ladyvader]

King Minos wrote...

Telam Vasir, both were involved. Killing a spectre isn't good news or was that scene in the King Minos edition of lair of the shadow broker?

Vasir tried to kill Liara.  And failed badly at it.  Some ****ty spectre Vasir is or I should say ways.  Vasir also used mercs to try and  kill Shepard. 

Killing Vasir is self defense. 

Modifié par ladyvader, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:48 .

[King Minos]

Shepard risked Human lives to save the council or put a new council on, however Shepards actions saved the citadel and millions of lives, Shepard agrees to stay away from council space. Shepard is also investigating missin human colonies, why prevent someone to investigate thoasands of missing people who vanished without a trace when your doing **** all to help?

[PMC65]

Lizardviking wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Criminal is someone who commited a crime, a crime is a breach of the law. I am pretty sure murder is a break of the law, the asari greeter on Illium even states this. And surprise surprise! Liara kills! Rob a sweet no matter how small it is, it's a breach of the law and your a criminal, threats of assault or murder is a criminal offence. Association with Cerberus, a terrorist in citadel space, the Asari councillor herself said that it is treason. Don't hide it, liara is a criminal, along with Anderson, Tali, Shepard, Joker and pretty much every bugger who happens to work with Shepard.

Okay Liara is a criminal then. But none of those are damning things considering the reasons she did them. And I highly doubt Aethyta would care about such things too.

 Aethyta is a Matriarch not a justicar so she would just say, "Kill it in my bar, sweetie, and you clean up the mess."

[Jakedee010v2]

The argument is irrelivent. The fact is, Liara ONLY kills if either threatened or finds a criminal. I guess she is a very loose justicar, not a bad person.

[Pockles]

ladyvader wrote...

Pockles wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Also Cerberus is not openly recognized/condemned by the Council as a terrorist organization. Or Shepard couldn't have parked the SR2 all over Citadel space without incurring an arrest.

It is. "You are working for Cerebrus, an avowed enemy of the Council."

Then why wasn't Shepard arrested right then and there.  At that point most people only have Jacob and Miranda with them, they don't get arrested either and they are wearing Cerberus clothes, unlike Shepard who is in N7 armor?

Perhaps there is no evidence. TIM would have a vested interest in making sure Shepard isn't arrested before he/she can take care of the collectors. Shepard was also one of the Council's top agents, they seem to trust that he/she is working with Cerberus for a good reason, though only if he/she decides to remain a Spectre.

I always assumed they wear the logo of a front corporation.

[ladyvader]

King Minos wrote...

Shepard risked Human lives to save the council or put a new council on, however Shepards actions saved the citadel and millions of lives, Shepard agrees to stay away from council space. Shepard is also investigating missin human colonies, why prevent someone to investigate thoasands of missing people who vanished without a trace when your doing **** all to help?

I think you miss the point.  The colonies are NOT, I will repeat this, NOT in either Alliance NOR Citadel space.  They have no right to do anything and if they send in ships to the Terminus Systems will cause a war they don't need.  This is mentioned when Shepard wants backup for Illos.  Nothing has changed in those two years.

If they wanted Shepard just in the Terminus, then why is Shepard allowed to dock again on the Citadel to do Thane and Garrus' LM?  If either the Alliance and Council truly felt Shepard was a criminal, the Normandy would have been grounded the second it docked and everyone on board arrested.

[King Minos]

The council don't know that LadyVader. In their eyes Liara and Shepard killed a Spectre. Look what happened with Saren, they defended him until evidence was right in front of their eyes. Self defence or not, in some countries murder is murder I don't have a library of all council laws just sitting in my bedroom, I'm viewing this from the eyes of a citizen.

[ladyvader]

King Minos wrote...

The council don't know that LadyVader. In their eyes Liara and Shepard killed a Spectre. Look what happened with Saren, they defended him until evidence was right in front of their eyes. Self defence or not, in some countries murder is murder I don't have a library of all council laws just sitting in my bedroom, I'm viewing this from the eyes of a citizen.

You don't know that the Council even knows who killled Vasir. Your assuming that.  Besides, they have evidence that Vasir was hired by the SB to eleminate T'Soni.

[King Minos]

That's my point Ladyvader, why deny Shepard the chance to investigate the attacks on missing colonists, they must be curious themselves as well, win/win for both sides, Shepard tts to investigate and work with Cerberus and for the council, Shepard stays away from council space. The council must know that this is a serious problem. Entire colonies just disappear through out the night and not just one colony experienced this? From the councils view this could be a threat to the citadel but like you said, they can no get involved, Shepard already defended the Citadal once so they must trust Shep to some extent.

[PMC65]

ladyvader wrote...

King Minos wrote...

The council don't know that LadyVader. In their eyes Liara and Shepard killed a Spectre. Look what happened with Saren, they defended him until evidence was right in front of their eyes. Self defence or not, in some countries murder is murder I don't have a library of all council laws just sitting in my bedroom, I'm viewing this from the eyes of a citizen.

You don't know that the Council even knows who killled Vasir. Your assuming that.  Besides, they have evidence that Vasir was hired by the SB to eleminate T'Soni.

In the time that I've played the game it is very clear that our (human) laws are not their (council) laws. It would be like living in the wild west and trying to apply modern day London laws to the streets ... not gonna happen. Until the council says "Arrest that (wo)man!" my Shepard keeps moving along.

[Korkki]

King Minos wrote...

Look what happened with Saren, they defended him until evidence was right in front of their eyes

Not guilty untill proven otherwise. There was really no hard evidence against Saren. I know it sucked, but that is the truth.

[King Minos]

The shadow broker is a criminal organisation, Liara just so happens to be the Shadow Broker...true thu have evidence on Tela but Liara herself is a criminal. Arresting her as well is killing two birds win one stone.

[King Minos]

Your not a criminal if your not caught Korkki true, but if she was then she will be punished by the law.

[kumquats]

I wouldn't be surprised if Liara spread the information, that she was killed in the Dracon Trade Centre bombing.
I think that would be a smart move.

And I think the council will look the other way, because it's Shepard.

Modifié par kumquats, 08 septembre 2011 - 08:03 .

[King Minos]

Oh and just in case it is used agaisnt me, Barla von was RUMOURED to be working for the Shadow broker there for he isn't arrested. The Shadow broker possibly has dangerous information on the Citadel that could threaten it.