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[Robhuzz]

That is actually pretty interesting I mean they always just say that the asari have kids and raise a family when they reach the matron stage. So is it that they can't have kids before they reach the matron stage or is it just that they don't usually want to have kids before the matron stage. They are grown ups when they hit the age of 60 or something right? So if you are a grown up you should be able to have kids, so basicly Liara could be able to have kids even she's not a matron herself or what do you guys think?

I think Asari can have kids even before they are 60 years old. Remember, many girls aged 12 - 14 could have kids at that age. This does not make them mature. Samara said Morinth's syndrome manifested at maturity, when she was but 40 years old. I believe Asari could have kids when they are 40 - 50 years old but this would be the same as a 12 year old human having a baby - Obviously not something a normal person would even think about. So I think a 40 year old asari CAN have kids but simply won't until she's a lot older, much like humans.

Edit: Pretty much ninja'ed by Ladyvader:pinched: / TOP Liara pic

Inviting everyone to compensate for sad Liara with happy Liara pictures...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:49 .

[Ophiskc]

Personally i would like my Shep to have years of quality time with Liara after defeating the reapers, grow up as a couple and enjoy eachother before thinking on having kids. After that, and when the galaxy is more estable again, and we both agree, we can bring a little blue daughter into our lives



@Robhuzz
Agree 100%

Modifié par Ophiskc, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:49 .

[Wulfram]

I'm pretty sure Liara would call travelling the galaxy hunting for Prothean artifacts fun.  And it's not really something you could do with a baby in tow, at least not in the dangerous regions she was doing it in.

I don't think she's a particularly atypical maiden.  She picked an occupation which involved exploration, travel and danger.

The stages are "marked by biochemical and physiological changes" which seems like it could well include the ability to have children.

[Ophiskc]

Happy Liara incoming

[pf17456]

Robhuzz wrote...

Liara, although being 'only' 108 years old during ME2 (109 by the end of ME3 I think) is not a typical maidan Asari. Most Asari only want to settle down and have kids when they enter the matron stage at approx. 350 years old. I do not think Liara, despite being so different, will reach the matron stage for quite a while so I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't want kids for now. I'm perfectly fine with no kids actually. As long as Shep/Liara can spend some proper quality time together after beating the Reapers, I'm happy.

Secretly I'm also holding on to the whole 'Shepard's life is being sustained by technology and as such he might become rediculously old for a human due to his body aging much slower than ordinary people so it's very likely that he's still alive when Liara reaches 250 years in age. - Like ladyvader said, she'll probably reach this stage faster than normal, though not at the age of 110. 250 seems realistic to me - By that time Liara will probably have reached the matron stage and actually wants to have kids...

I'm guessing that the Asari 'maiden'  stage is the human counterpart to adolescence.

Liara seems far from a typical Asari in relation to maturity

Shepard might very well be a cyborg

Having children with the human who saves the galaxy from the Reapers could be worth sacrificing 'maiden years'
It's consistant with Asari aspirations of genitic diversity.

[Ophiskc]

pf17456 wrote...

Having children with the human who saves the galaxy from the Reapers could be worth sacrificing 'maiden years'
It's consistant with Asari aspirations of genitic diversity.

Liara you're not our baby making machine, dont listen to them

Modifié par Ophiskc, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:59 .

[ladyvader]

I don't think Liara can be any happier than she is in this pic.


Sorry Robhuzz, I don't get to very often.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 09 septembre 2011 - 06:00 .

[Robhuzz]

Wulfram wrote...

I'm pretty sure Liara would call travelling the galaxy hunting for Prothean artifacts fun.  And it's not really something you could do with a baby in tow, at least not in the dangerous regions she was doing it in.

I don't think she's a particularly atypical maiden.  She picked an occupation which involved exploration, travel and danger.

The stages are "marked by biochemical and physiological changes" which seems like it could well include the ability to have children.

While it's true she posseses the features of regular maidan asari (Curiosity and restlessness among others), Liara is still a unique Asari due to being among the very few asari not dancing in a strip club or joining a merc band. It seems most Asari join merc bands or dance out of boredom and due to lack of interest in other things. The asari near the weapons kiosk on Illium was asked if she were going to try to make it as a (eclipse) commando. She said: "Why not? Every Asari has biotics right? Might as well use 'em." Now to me, she didn't sound convinced. It was more like "I don't have anything better to do so let's just give it a try". Liara is different in that she knew perfectly well what she wanted at a very young age - studying protheans - unlike regular maiden asari.

@Ophiskc

That first picture is gold.
Shepard: "I've got fond memories of the last time you put pressure on me."
Liara: "Heh, so have I"

Modifié par Robhuzz, 09 septembre 2011 - 06:04 .

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I'm pretty sure Liara would call travelling the galaxy hunting for Prothean artifacts fun.  And it's not really something you could do with a baby in tow, at least not in the dangerous regions she was doing it in.

I don't think she's a particularly atypical maiden.  She picked an occupation which involved exploration, travel and danger.

The stages are "marked by biochemical and physiological changes" which seems like it could well include the ability to have children.

While it's true she posseses the features of regular maidan asari (Curiosity and restlessness among others), Liara is still a unique Asari due to being among the very few asari not dancing in a strip club or joining a merc band. It seems most Asari join merc bands or dance out of boredom and due to lack of interest in other things. The asari near the weapons kiosk on Illium was asked if she were going to try to make it as a (eclipse) commando. She said: "Why not? Every Asari has biotics right? Might as well use 'em." Now to me, she didn't sound convinced. It was more like "I don't have anything better to do so let's just give it a try". Liara is different in that she knew perfectly well what she wanted at a very young age - studying protheans - unlike regular maiden asari.

That is why I think Liara will hit matron stage earlier than most. 

[WoolyJoe]

Ophiskc wrote...



Liara you're not our baby making machine, dont listen to them

She's not!?!

[Wulfram]

I think the idea that most young Asari end up in a strip club or as mercenaries is an exaggeration. I mean, there are a lot of Asari and the galaxy doesn't need that many strippers and mercenaries.

In the Codex it's said that there's a popular Turian saying that "The asari are the finest warriors in the galaxy. Fortunately, there are not many of them." Which hardly fits with the idea that there are loads of Asari mercenaries.

[ladyvader]

Wulfram wrote...

I think the idea that most young Asari end up in a strip club or as mercenaries is an exaggeration. I mean, there are a lot of Asari and the galaxy doesn't need that many strippers and mercenaries.

In the Codex it's said that there's a popular Turian saying that "The asari are the finest warriors in the galaxy. Fortunately, there are not many of them." Which hardly fits with the idea that there are loads of Asari mercenaries.

The codex was referring to the asari in the military, not mercs.  There is a difference between them.

[Wulfram]

ladyvader wrote...

The codex was referring to the asari in the military, not mercs.  There is a difference between them.

If large portions of the Asari spend centuries of their lives as mercenaries, it could not be said that Asari warriors are few.  Even in a military context, this would give the Asari a vast pool of trained and experienced warriors they could mobilise in wartime.  The Asari would be known as a particularly violent, warrior race.

And you'd expect the mercenaries we encounter in the game to be overwhelmingly Asari, which they're not.

[Korkki]

Wulfram wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

The codex was referring to the asari in the military, not mercs.  There is a difference between them.

If large portions of the Asari spend centuries of their lives as mercenaries, it could not be said that Asari warriors are few.  Even in a military context, this would give the Asari a vast pool of trained and experienced warriors they could mobilise in wartime.  The Asari would be known as a particularly violent, warrior race.

And you'd expect the mercenaries we encounter in the game to be overwhelmingly Asari, which they're not.

They're still mercenaries not soldiers. They are loyal only to the next pay cheque and fight for the highest bidder. That is not very good thing in the military, since military is all about chain of command, loyalty, carriyng out orders. Those kind of guys wouldn't make very good defence forces, if the enemy is willing to pay enough they could easily switch sides. And we don't even know how higly trained those mercenaries are, think for example tha eleonora on Illium. Of course many of the mercs are former asari commandoes which makes them deadly as hell, but that's because of the military training not because they are mercs.

Edit: they would be great when using for assault or that sort of stuff, but still you would need pay them enough. So they're suited for attacking, not for defending.

Modifié par Korkki, 09 septembre 2011 - 06:52 .

[Ophiskc]

Wulfram wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

The codex was referring to the asari in the military, not mercs.  There is a difference between them.

If large portions of the Asari spend centuries of their lives as mercenaries, it could not be said that Asari warriors are few.  Even in a military context, this would give the Asari a vast pool of trained and experienced warriors they could mobilise in wartime.  The Asari would be known as a particularly violent, warrior race.

And you'd expect the mercenaries we encounter in the game to be overwhelmingly Asari, which they're not.

You cant compare military training with a mercenary one, is like comparing military with gangsters.

Besides, we see plenty of asari mercenaries ingame, also dancers and consorts. That doesnt mean that every maiden follow that path, but is it said ingame that is a common knowledge that many do just that

[Wulfram]

After spending 3 centuries in the job, Asari mercenaries would be pretty good at it you'd have thought.

We see some Asari mercenaries. I'm pretty sure we see more human mercenaries, despite there surely being many more Asari in the galaxy.

It's a common stereotype that many do. Perhaps because it's a job which tends to take them out of Asari space. But it's utterly ridiculous to think that it's ubiquitous enough that Liara can be considered any sort of exception for not being one.

[Korkki]

Wulfram wrote...

After spending 3 centuries in the job, Asari mercenaries would be pretty good at it you'd have thought.

We see some Asari mercenaries. I'm pretty sure we see more human mercenaries, despite there surely being many more Asari in the galaxy.

It's a common stereotype that many do. Perhaps because it's a job which tends to take them out of Asari space. But it's utterly ridiculous to think that it's ubiquitous enough that Liara can be considered any sort of exception for not being one.

First they need to stay alive that 3 centuries. I admit that after that time they are veteran fighters but still mercenaries are not suitable as a defence forces, they are not loyal to the government. And still the best of those mercs are former commandoes and they have recieved their training in the asari military, they are ex-spec ops. For example compare captain Enyala (from Miranda's LM) to normal asari merc, bet you'll see what's the difference.

Modifié par Korkki, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:19 .

[alex90c]

Wulfram wrote...

After spending 3 centuries in the job, Asari mercenaries would be pretty good at it you'd have thought.

We see some Asari mercenaries. I'm pretty sure we see more human mercenaries, despite there surely being many more Asari in the galaxy.

It's a common stereotype that many do. Perhaps because it's a job which tends to take them out of Asari space. But it's utterly ridiculous to think that it's ubiquitous enough that Liara can be considered any sort of exception for not being one.

Not really. Asari military training is said to be pretty tough, long and extensive and since mercenaries don't really use any formal training techniques you'd probably just be getting "training" while in the field where you just have to adapt yourself. Case in point, compare say US and British WW2 parachute divisions or the SS to regular military formations. Taking Germany as a good example, considering (Prussia especially so) had quite a militaristic tradition you'd think that with the outbreak of WW2 considering they'd have a core of experienced troops with possibly decades of service they'd be excellent quality troops, but it was actually the SS who were a much more recent creation who (from 1941 onwards at least) ended up pretty much being the crack shock troops of Germany's forces rather than the regular Wehrmacht divisions who could probably draw an ancestry of decades/centuries of service.

EDIT - can't be bothered to break that paragraph up with more commas, lol.

Modifié par alex90c, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:18 .

[Ophiskc]

You still cant compare 3 centuries of military training, with mercenary

About being just a stereotype, i'm not so sure, something has to be true about it. Samara was a mercenary herself and Aethyta was "shaking her ass in a bar" in those ages, pretty much how our adolescents go to partys and things like that.

Liara is not THE exception, but she's not a common maiden neither.
I dont believe she will be a matron anytime soon, but she could be years earlier if she melds regularly, just as stated in the codex

[Robhuzz]

Wulfram wrote...

After spending 3 centuries in the job, Asari mercenaries would be pretty good at it you'd have thought.

We see some Asari mercenaries. I'm pretty sure we see more human mercenaries, despite there surely being many more Asari in the galaxy.

It's a common stereotype that many do. Perhaps because it's a job which tends to take them out of Asari space. But it's utterly ridiculous to think that it's ubiquitous enough that Liara can be considered any sort of exception for not being one.

Aethyta also confirms it herself. She said 'We need to get our daughters working earlier, not spending their wild maiden years stripping or in merc bands'. And when she talked about changing that, they laughed the blue of her ass(). You may not want to go as far as to call Liara special. But the proof is right there I think.

First they need to stay alive that 3 centuries. I admit that after that time they are veteran fighters but still mercenaries are not suitable as a defence forces, they are not loyal to the government

It also doesn't seem like those mercs get any real training. Most of the time they don't do any proper fighting either. Shaking down a merchant and killing a few guards isn't even worthy to be compared to military. And when confronted in a straight up battle it usually goes something like:

Weakening their *BOOM!*
or
Deploying warp f *BAM!

Modifié par Robhuzz, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:21 .

[Ophiskc]

Robhuzz wrote...

Aethyta also confirms it herself. She said 'We need to get our daughters working earlier, not spending their wild maiden years stripping or in merc bands'. And when she talked about changing that, they laughed the blue of her ass(). You may not want to go as far as to call Liara special. But the proof is right there I think.

Aethyta has to be so proud of Liara

[Robhuzz]

Ophiskc wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Aethyta also confirms it herself. She said 'We need to get our daughters working earlier, not spending their wild maiden years stripping or in merc bands'. And when she talked about changing that, they laughed the blue of her ass(). You may not want to go as far as to call Liara special. But the proof is right there I think.

Aethyta has to be so proud of Liara

I hadn't though of that but you're right. Liara is everything Aethyta would want to see in a maiden Asari...

[Weyrloc Guld]

Modifié par Weyrloc Guld, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:35 .

[Weyrloc Guld]

Ops, wrong topic

[ladyvader]

Ophiskc wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Aethyta also confirms it herself. She said 'We need to get our daughters working earlier, not spending their wild maiden years stripping or in merc bands'. And when she talked about changing that, they laughed the blue of her ass(). You may not want to go as far as to call Liara special. But the proof is right there I think.

Aethyta has to be so proud of Liara

I think she is.  Too bad we didn't get to see her face in the video of her looking at Liara's picture.  I would like to see Aethyta face.  It could be very telling on how she feels.

Anyone notice it's the same picture that Shepard has?  Any guess on who put the picture of Shepard's LI in Shepard's quarters?  It was there before Shepard stepped foot on the Normandy SR-2.