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[ladyvader]

Chewin3 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
Samara could be another if your Shep is a renegade.  She even said so when you recruit her.  "If you make me do anything...."  I forget exactly what Samara said. 

A dev said on twitter that this will not likely happen due to there being 'more important' things going on.

Not likely is the key.  They may still go there.  Or it could be a DLC.  They are very mum on that so far.  Just like they are with Miranda and Jacob.

I'm taking the Garrus point of view.  Exepect the worse and when it not that bad, be pleasently surprised.

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Modifié par ladyvader, 09 septembre 2011 - 10:55 .

[TheMarshal]

Here's a question for you guys...

When we got to the Shadow Broker base, we found a lot of mercs wearing this symbol:

(Courtesy of scampermax)

Presumably, it's the Shadow Broker's symbol, and presumably, that's because his mouth looks like this:



Now that Liara's taken over as the Shadow Broker, would she keep that symbol? Or would she come up with her own symbol? Obviously she wouldn't want to choose a symbol that was unique to her race, like the yahg's. I mean, the yahg's symbol makes sense once you've met the Shadow Broker, but isn't enough information to glean anything about him otherwise, given how rare the yahg are.

Like, obviously the Baria Frontiers logo is based on the asari crest:


What symbol do you think she should use?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...

Here's a question for you guys...

When we got to the Shadow Broker base, we found a lot of mercs wearing this symbol:

What symbol do you think she should use?

Why would Liara change the icon at all?

I think she really does not care what kind of custome her hired guns are wearing. Beside, changing the icon will just draw unneccesary to herself from the people within the organization.

"EDIT"

Why are so people angry over TIM lying about Liara? I mean really? Is that really so damning?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:02 .

[King Minos]

Kadzin, love that picture you posed of Liara, who is the artist?

[ladyvader]

@TheMarshal

Damn, good one. If Liara doesn't want anyone to know she's the new Shadow Broker, I think it would be in her best interest to keep the yahg's logo.

The yahg can get away with it because how many people actually know what a yahg is? Shepard didn't have a clue and Liara knew because of her studies. Kasumi didn't have any idea what that big statue was in Hock's vault.

Outside of that, I'm not sure.

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Here's a question for you guys...

When we got to the Shadow Broker base, we found a lot of mercs wearing this symbol:

What symbol do you think she should use?

Why would Liara change the icon at all?

I think she really does not care what kind of custome her hired guns are wearing. Beside, changing the icon will just draw unneccesary to herself from the people within the organization.

"EDIT"

Why are so people angry over TIM lying about Liara? I mean really? Is that really so damning?

For my Shepard it just one of many reason she wants to kill that guy.  Overlord was the last straw.  Even my renegade Shepard didn't allow Archer to keep David.

[pf17456]

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Here's a question for you guys...

When we got to the Shadow Broker base, we found a lot of mercs wearing this symbol:

What symbol do you think she should use?

Why would Liara change the icon at all?

I think she really does not care what kind of custome her hired guns are wearing. Beside, changing the icon will just draw unneccesary to herself from the people within the organization.

"EDIT"

Why are so people angry over TIM lying about Liara? I mean really? Is that really so damning?

I agree, changing the logo would draw unwanted attention to the change in leadership.

As far as the TIM lie it's like; First thing Shepard asks Jacob is Did Liara survive ? Where is she ? Then to hear from TIM Oh she can't be trusted ? WTF !!! Liara ? really ? Then when you finally get to Illium and find out the truth red flags go up everywhere and you realize this guy is playing you and his treachery runs deep. Unfortunately there's no where in game to confront TIM about his lie about Liara LI so it gets stuffed but comes out escalating mistrust, couple that with all the crap he's pulled to forward his meglamanical aspirations and I'm thinking Urz might like a treat.

[King Minos]

Overlord has it's purpose, one man suffering so that controlling the Geth using Human Biotics? That's worth it if It can save many lives, sure it's more than scummy to let someone like that suffer but in the end logic is what we should listen to, not emotion. Jack's situation however was pointless, yeah they produced a super biotic but also screwed up the kids mind making her a mistake. The program, not Jack herself but then again that was a rogue cell. I really don't care if Tim lied about Liara, infact I see it as the smart choice. Would you really be focused on a mission if it was 99.9 chance of death in the end and you had someone you cared for? Sur some people may argue that it will help them focus, but you will start to doubt your mission and may want to pull out, negatively affecting your squad morale at the same time.

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pf17456 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Here's a question for you guys...

When we got to the Shadow Broker base, we found a lot of mercs wearing this symbol:

What symbol do you think she should use?

Why would Liara change the icon at all?

I think she really does not care what kind of custome her hired guns are wearing. Beside, changing the icon will just draw unneccesary to herself from the people within the organization.

"EDIT"

Why are so people angry over TIM lying about Liara? I mean really? Is that really so damning?

I agree, changing the logo would draw unwanted attention to the change in leadership.

As far as the TIM lie it's like; First thing Shepard asks Jacob is Did Liara survive ? Where is she ? Then to hear from TIM Oh she can't be trusted ? WTF !!! Liara ? really ? Then when you finally get to Illium and find out the truth red flags go up everywhere and you realize this guy is playing you and his treachery runs deep. Unfortunately there's no where in game to confront TIM about his lie about Liara LI so it gets stuffed but comes out escalating mistrust, couple that with all the crap he's pulled to forward his meglamanical aspirations and I'm thinking Urz might like a treat.

Or TIM got his information wrong. 

Also regarding the Logo it was likely there ever since the Shadow Broker first existed. The Yahg wasn't the original Shadow Broker so the Yahg probably just kept it and decided not to change the logo. Liara probably wouldn't change it at least not this soon.

[ladyvader]

King Minos wrote...

Overlord has it's purpose, one man suffering so that controlling the Geth using Human Biotics? That's worth it if It can save many lives, sure it's more than scummy to let someone like that suffer but in the end logic is what we should listen to, not emotion. Jack's situation however was pointless, yeah they produced a super biotic but also screwed up the kids mind making her a mistake. The program, not Jack herself but then again that was a rogue cell. I really don't care if Tim lied about Liara, infact I see it as the smart choice. Would you really be focused on a mission if it was 99.9 chance of death in the end and you had someone you cared for? Sur some people may argue that it will help them focus, but you will start to doubt your mission and may want to pull out, negatively affecting your squad morale at the same time.

You would do that to a member of your own family?  

[Pockles]

King Minos wrote...

Overlord has it's purpose, one man suffering so that controlling the Geth using Human Biotics? That's worth it if It can save many lives, sure it's more than scummy to let someone like that suffer but in the end logic is what we should listen to, not emotion.

I don't think it would go down well with the public if word got out about Overlord. Condemning an innocent man to a lifetime of suffering and madness is not a price I would be willing to pay for my safety.

[King Minos]

I don't know Lady Vader, no one will ever know until put into that situation where synthetics threaten organic life, if it would stop the Reapers or atleast give us an advantaged agaisnt them then I may consider it, If I did how ever lock a family member in a prison like that then I would look after them to the best of my abilities.

[ladyvader]

Pockles wrote...


I don't think it would go down well with the public if word got out about Overlord. Condemning an innocent man to a lifetime of suffering and madness is not a price I would be willing to pay for my safety.

What gets to me the most is that David is autistic and couldn't say no.  And it was his brother that did it to him.  Hearing David scream "Make it stop" until the end was heartbreaking too.

King Minos wrote...

I don't know Lady Vader, no one will
ever know until put into that situation where synthetics threaten
organic life, if it would stop the Reapers or atleast give us an
advantaged agaisnt them then I may consider it, If I did how ever lock a
family member in a prison like that then I would look after them to the
best of my abilities.

Fair enough, but no way I could do that to a member of my family.  Seeing him with those tubes down his throat was just wrong.  Like I said, even my a-hole renegade took the paragon path and took David to the Alliance. 

Modifié par ladyvader, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

pf17456 wrote...
I agree, changing the logo would draw unwanted attention to the change in leadership.

As far as the TIM lie it's like; First thing Shepard asks Jacob is Did Liara survive ? Where is she ? Then to hear from TIM Oh she can't be trusted ? WTF !!! Liara ? really ? Then when you finally get to Illium and find out the truth red flags go up everywhere and you realize this guy is playing you and his treachery runs deep. Unfortunately there's no where in game to confront TIM about his lie about Liara LI so it gets stuffed but comes out escalating mistrust, couple that with all the crap he's pulled to forward his meglamanical aspirations and I'm thinking Urz might like a treat.

I really just think TIM lied about Liara as in "Shepard. You got more important **** to think about than your girlfriend right now." I really do not hate him for that.

[TheMarshal]

pf17456 wrote...

I agree, changing the logo would draw unwanted attention to the change in leadership.

As far as the TIM lie it's like; First thing Shepard asks Jacob is Did Liara survive ? Where is she ? Then to hear from TIM Oh she can't be trusted ? WTF !!! Liara ? really ? Then when you finally get to Illium and find out the truth red flags go up everywhere and you realize this guy is playing you and his treachery runs deep. Unfortunately there's no where in game to confront TIM about his lie about Liara LI so it gets stuffed but comes out escalating mistrust, couple that with all the crap he's pulled to forward his meglamanical aspirations and I'm thinking Urz might like a treat.

I don't believe that any of the Shadow Broker's field agents wore that logo.  As I understand it, that logo was for his own private - homegrown - army.  An army that's mostly been destroyed by Shepard and Liara et. al.  I understand that changing the logo wouldn't be anything more than symbolic, nor would it be the wisest move to make, even for a private army.  I was just curious what you guys thought would make a good Liara-as-the-Shadow-Broker symbol?

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

pf17456 wrote...
I agree, changing the logo would draw unwanted attention to the change in leadership.

As far as the TIM lie it's like; First thing Shepard asks Jacob is Did Liara survive ? Where is she ? Then to hear from TIM Oh she can't be trusted ? WTF !!! Liara ? really ? Then when you finally get to Illium and find out the truth red flags go up everywhere and you realize this guy is playing you and his treachery runs deep. Unfortunately there's no where in game to confront TIM about his lie about Liara LI so it gets stuffed but comes out escalating mistrust, couple that with all the crap he's pulled to forward his meglamanical aspirations and I'm thinking Urz might like a treat.

I really just think TIM lied about Liara as in "Shepard. You got more important **** to think about than your girlfriend right now." I really do not hate him for that.

What about those that didn't have Liara as their LI?  What is his reason then?  

[King Minos]

That's how I see it Lizard. I would exhaust every possible option to stop the Reapers but putting a family member in David's situation is only to be used when we are so close to losing and is the last possible option. It would of been kinder for Shepard to ignore all Me1 love interests, it's cruel to suddenly come back after two years to confirm your love and then rush off to a suicide mission.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...

I do not know. No reason at all.

But something also about "You got more important things to focus on right now".

[King Minos]

LadyVader, that's not possible, no such thing as a non romanced Liara.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...
I don't believe that any of the Shadow Broker's field agents wore that logo.  As I understand it, that logo was for his own private - homegrown - army.  An army that's mostly been destroyed by Shepard and Liara et. al.  I understand that changing the logo wouldn't be anything more than symbolic, nor would it be the wisest move to make, even for a private army.  I was just curious what you guys thought would make a good Liara-as-the-Shadow-Broker symbol?

Yeah. I hardly doubt that all those that is employed/bribed to give him intel wear an uniform.

However. All the SB's armed forces seems to wear the uniform.

[pf17456]

Lizardviking wrote...

I really just think TIM lied about Liara as in "Shepard. You got more important **** to think about than your girlfriend right now." I really do not hate him for that.

If TIM had been up front about that Shepard would have would have formed a much higher opinion of him but lies and manipulation don't register possitive for Shepard.

[ladyvader]

@KingMinos.

I know, it's hard, but not all my Shepards are with Liara. Most are but not all.

@LizardViking

Guess it could be like what TIM said to Shepard after Horizon, but like my Shepard told him. That is none of your business.

I still think TIM is the Shepard stalker.

[King Minos]

Well Tim did bring Shepard back to life, I would feel responsible for Sheps well being as he/she is my investment. But that is blown out the window in Me3.

[pf17456]

King Minos wrote...

That's how I see it Lizard. I would exhaust every possible option to stop the Reapers but putting a family member in David's situation is only to be used when we are so close to losing and is the last possible option. It would of been kinder for Shepard to ignore all Me1 love interests, it's cruel to suddenly come back after two years to confirm your love and then rush off to a suicide mission.

At least half of ME2 involved resolving 'issues' for your crew, to gain their loyalty. TIM suggests this course of action. Why should this be different for Shepard ? Shepard has unresolved issues with Liara causing undo stress. It's inconsistant of TIM to encourage clearing everyone's head except Shepard's.

[ladyvader]

King Minos wrote...

Well Tim did bring Shepard back to life, I would feel responsible for Sheps well being as he/she is my investment. But that is blown out the window in Me3.

Shepard was nothing but a tool to be used.  Even Miranda said that Shepard was an asset.  Assets are tools to be used.  TIM only wanted the collector base. Nothing more, nothing less.