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[King Minos]

Because how the hell are you going to convince people to join you on a suicide mission? Telling them to stuff their personal lives isn't going to help them join your cause is it? Helping them with sensitive matters and personal requests will get their trust.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

ladyvader wrote...

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Destroying the shadow broker base is like nuking thessia, earth, rakhanna, tuchanka (what's left of it), salarian home world and the hanar home world. The SB base has information on everything and is one of our greatest weapons. The SB base can easily be used to get information and unite the galaxy, stop civil or potential wars, notify the council on planets with huge amount of resources and atleast full view of the known galaxy, when the reapers enter, the SB will know it straight away and can warn planets and send out possible tactics to each species. SB may be our only hope of survival if you think about it.

Actually I think that is exactly why Bioware would probably get rid of it asap.
It's too valuable, too much of advantage for Shepard, also a reason to get Liara on the Normandy.
Like I said, my bet is that it will get either attacked by Cerberus or attacked by Reapers, resulting in it's destruction and the end of the SB network.

If I was making Mass Effect 3 that would be how the game begins, with the Reapers destroying the SB's base and the apparent killing of the LI, or at least that is Shepard believes.  

That makes no sense though.  Especially if you take into account where in the galaxy the Reapers are starting from .  Bottom of the galaxy map.  Hagazlas is closer to the top of the map.  If anyone at the beginning of the game is going to take out the SB base, it will be Cerberus.  TIM is after Shepard, he knows Liara is the SB plus he knows where the base is.  This is why I think that.



TOP EDIT:

First off if I were making Mass Effect 3 it would be a very different game. I think the Reapers are coming from all directions.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

pf17456 wrote...
At least half of ME2 involved resolving 'issues' for your crew, to gain their loyalty. TIM suggests this course of action. Why should this be different for Shepard ? Shepard has unresolved issues with Liara causing undo stress. It's inconsistant of TIM to encourage clearing everyone's head except Shepard's.

Because Shepard cannot fix his personal problems. LOTSB does not happen before the suicide mission. Hard to fix the relationship their relationship was (allergedly) destroyed after Illium.

Yeah. I know I am an **** for forcing my opinion as a fact.

But that is because it is!

[ladyvader]

King Minos wrote...

Because how the hell are you going to convince people to join you on a suicide mission? Telling them to stuff their personal lives isn't going to help them join your cause is it? Helping them with sensitive matters and personal requests will get their trust.

TIM only seems concerned with Shepard after getting ****ed at by  Ash/Kaidan.  He does not seem one bit concerned about Shepard's well being when it comes to Liara.

Which if you think about it, it odd.  TIM knows Liara helped Cerberus for Shepard, not for Cerberus.  That could be the problem.  TIM is nothing but a person who uses others, my Shepard has no time for people like that.  

And Hackett is pushing it at times after Arrival.  I will wait and see what happend during this farce of a trial come March before I have any  more judgement on Hackett.



Oops, Sorry, Tali.  You're my buddy, but I love Liara more.

[pf17456]

King Minos wrote...

Because how the hell are you going to convince people to join you on a suicide mission? Telling them to stuff their personal lives isn't going to help them join your cause is it? Helping them with sensitive matters and personal requests will get their trust.

Agreed; So doesn't TIM want to gain Shepard's trust ? If so then why lie about Liara ? Information is my weapon, so TIM knows about Liara so why the lie ?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ladyvader wrote...
And Hackett is pushing it at times after Arrival.  I will wait and see what happend during this farce of a trial come March before I have any  more judgement on Hackett.

Arrival and ME1 shows that Hackett, as honerable as he is, has zero problems using Shepard as a tool to futher his own agenda.

[ladyvader]

pf17456 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Because how the hell are you going to convince people to join you on a suicide mission? Telling them to stuff their personal lives isn't going to help them join your cause is it? Helping them with sensitive matters and personal requests will get their trust.

Agreed; So doesn't TIM want to gain Shepard's trust ? If so then why lie about Liara ? Information is my weapon, so TIM knows about Liara so why the lie ?

That is why I think Cerberus gave Shepard the intel to give to Liara, so she could go after the SB.  To halfass make amends.  Didn't work though.  Not with the report we see aftwards of him watching their relationship.

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
And Hackett is pushing it at times after Arrival.  I will wait and see what happend during this farce of a trial come March before I have any  more judgement on Hackett.

Arrival and ME1 shows that Hackett, as honerable as he is, has zero problems using Shepard as a tool to futher his own agenda.

That is why I am waiting to see what happens with this trial if he actually helps or not.  If he helps, then he is an ally, if not...well...

[King Minos]

Because Shepard is a leader, his or her morale affects everyone else, if Shepard is down in the dumps the squad too will feel the same way, thinking about your love when starin death in the face will affect your judgement and your concentration.

[pf17456]

Lizardviking wrote...

pf17456 wrote...
At least half of ME2 involved resolving 'issues' for your crew, to gain their loyalty. TIM suggests this course of action. Why should this be different for Shepard ? Shepard has unresolved issues with Liara causing undo stress. It's inconsistant of TIM to encourage clearing everyone's head except Shepard's.

Because Shepard cannot fix his personal problems. LOTSB does not happen before the suicide mission. Hard to fix the relationship their relationship was (allergedly) destroyed after Illium.

Yeah. I know I am an **** for forcing my opinion as a fact.

But that is because it is!

I play Lotsb before the SM. Shep is far more confident and assured that way

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
And Hackett is pushing it at times after Arrival.  I will wait and see what happend during this farce of a trial come March before I have any  more judgement on Hackett.

Arrival and ME1 shows that Hackett, as honerable as he is, has zero problems using Shepard as a tool to futher his own agenda.

I think that between ME1 and ME2 it showed that just about everybody in the Alliance and Council was perfectly willing to use Shepard as a tool.  Anderson at least had the decency to put his own ass on the line once in a while.

[jtav]

Am I the only one who assumes that TIM's faulty information at the beginning of the game is a simple continuity error, considering it's never brought up again by anyone?

[ladyvader]

pf17456 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

pf17456 wrote...
At least half of ME2 involved resolving 'issues' for your crew, to gain their loyalty. TIM suggests this course of action. Why should this be different for Shepard ? Shepard has unresolved issues with Liara causing undo stress. It's inconsistant of TIM to encourage clearing everyone's head except Shepard's.

Because Shepard cannot fix his personal problems. LOTSB does not happen before the suicide mission. Hard to fix the relationship their relationship was (allergedly) destroyed after Illium.

Yeah. I know I am an **** for forcing my opinion as a fact.

But that is because it is!

I play Lotsb before the SM. Shep is far more confident and assured that way

So you didn't get ME2 until after the LotSB?  I know others have, but I got it the day after it was released and had to wait for the DLC. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TheMarshal wrote...
I think that between ME1 and ME2 it showed that just about everybody in the Alliance and Council was perfectly willing to use Shepard as a tool.  Anderson at least had the decency to put his own ass on the line once in a while.

Exactly. It baffles me too see so many anti-Cerberus/Pro-Alliance or council. When the Alliances and Council are just as big scumbags as Cerberus in their own way.

[King Minos]

TheMarshal: the way you put that really shows how alone Shepard is.

[pf17456]

ladyvader wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

King Minos wrote...

Because how the hell are you going to convince people to join you on a suicide mission? Telling them to stuff their personal lives isn't going to help them join your cause is it? Helping them with sensitive matters and personal requests will get their trust.

Agreed; So doesn't TIM want to gain Shepard's trust ? If so then why lie about Liara ? Information is my weapon, so TIM knows about Liara so why the lie ?

That is why I think Cerberus gave Shepard the intel to give to Liara, so she could go after the SB.  To halfass make amends.  Didn't work though.  Not with the report we see aftwards of him watching their relationship.

I agree but I also think there was a manipulative element in that TIM could use Liara and Shepard to locate the SB base

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jreezy wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
 LOTSB does not happen before the suicide mission. Hard to fix the relationship their relationship was (allergedly) destroyed after Illium.

Yeah. I know I am an **** for forcing my opinion as a fact.

But that is because it is!

Don't you mean LotSB can NOT happen before the Suicide Mission?

I do but "LOTSB does not happen before the suicide mission" does imply that. Or am I mistunderstanding you?

[King Minos]

Well Tim obviously wants the Shadow Broker base, if Liaras and Sheps relationship sours then that could be *sharp inhale* problematic, Shepards relationship with Liara could be used as front door to access the Shadow Brokers information.

[ladyvader]

jtav wrote...

Am I the only one who assumes that TIM's faulty information at the beginning of the game is a simple continuity error, considering it's never brought up again by anyone?

About Liara?  He said she was on Illium(True) and his sources said she was working for the Shadow Broker(Lie) and couldn't be trusted(Bigger Lie).  TIM trusted Liara enough for her to recover Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker/Collectors.  I still believe he lied about her.

[pf17456]

ladyvader wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

pf17456 wrote...
At least half of ME2 involved resolving 'issues' for your crew, to gain their loyalty. TIM suggests this course of action. Why should this be different for Shepard ? Shepard has unresolved issues with Liara causing undo stress. It's inconsistant of TIM to encourage clearing everyone's head except Shepard's.

Because Shepard cannot fix his personal problems. LOTSB does not happen before the suicide mission. Hard to fix the relationship their relationship was (allergedly) destroyed after Illium.

Yeah. I know I am an **** for forcing my opinion as a fact.

But that is because it is!

I play Lotsb before the SM. Shep is far more confident and assured that way

So you didn't get ME2 until after the LotSB?  I know others have, but I got it the day after it was released and had to wait for the DLC. 

No I got it before and played it through pre Lotsb with the depressed Shep looking at Liara's picture.
Then Lotsb became available with the option of playing it before the SM which I prefer because Shep can take on the Collectors with a clear head, confident and assured

[TheMarshal]

Lizardviking wrote...

Exactly. It baffles me too see so many anti-Cerberus/Pro-Alliance or council. When the Alliances and Council are just as big scumbags as Cerberus in their own way.

I mean, I get why the Council treats Spectres the way they do.  Spectres are there specifically to do the things which need to be done that the Council doesn't want to publicly acknowledge.  The Alliance used Shepard both as a Spectre candidate (to advance humanity's status) and during Arrival (to do their dirty work).  I'll be flying solo in ME3 and beyond, thank you very much.

[jtav]

ladyvader wrote...

jtav wrote...

Am I the only one who assumes that TIM's faulty information at the beginning of the game is a simple continuity error, considering it's never brought up again by anyone?

About Liara?  He said she was on Illium(True) and his sources said she was working for the Shadow Broker(Lie) and couldn't be trusted(Bigger Lie).  TIM trusted Liara enough for her to recover Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker/Collectors.  I still believe he lied about her.

That's exactly what I mean. I think it was a result of the writers not being on the same page. Otherwise, it would've been mentioned by someone.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

jtav wrote...

That's exactly what I mean. I think it was a result of the writers not being on the same page. Otherwise, it would've been mentioned by someone.

If you pick the renegade option to Liara asking if you remember the SB (after you did the first hacking mission) Shepard will ask "Wait a minute. Are you working for the SB?". So atleast some part of it was mentioned.

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
I think that between ME1 and ME2 it showed that just about everybody in the Alliance and Council was perfectly willing to use Shepard as a tool.  Anderson at least had the decency to put his own ass on the line once in a while.

Exactly. It baffles me too see so many anti-Cerberus/Pro-Alliance or council. When the Alliances and Council are just as big scumbags as Cerberus in their own way.

The difference is Shepard signed up with the Alliance.  Shepard never really signed up with Cerberus. 

And because of what happened between the Council/Alliance and Shepard is why after the war with the reapers is over, she is retiring from both.  She doesn't need their crap anyone.  She's had enough of it.  That is why I almost always pick the I'm tired repsonse when Liara asks how are you doing really, not what you say to keep moral up.

"I'm tired, tired of dealing with Cerberus, tired of the Council ignoring me, tired of my closest friends not believing me." arms flung in the air for dramatic effect.