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[pf17456]

Pockles wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

Pockles wrote...

I can't be 100% sure because it's never stated outright, but it seems like a logical conclusion. It's obvious getting rid of the Shadow Broker is on TIM's agenda, whether it's because of Wilson or SB's dealings with the collectors. I don't think TIM would hand over such valuable intel just to get on Shepard's good side.

TIM wants the SB's information. His motives have little to do with Wilson or the SB's dealings. SB is a rival to TIM and he'll use any means at his disposal to seize an opportunity to gain the information. He is using Liara and Shepard to learn the location of the SB's base.

Then why get Shepard and Liara involved? They're both wild cards. TIM had no way of knowing that they would take control of the base instead of destroying it. If his primary objective was to get access to the Shadow Broker's information network, he would have kept the intel to himself, conducted a private investigation, and used Cerberus strike teams to clear out the Broker's ship. There's no reason to leave it to chance.

TIM also doesn't know what the SB knows about him or his troops. He takes a greater risk sending in another party to deal with the SB whereas the 'wildcards' are acting on their own, for their own reasons. He also doesn't know what they'll find when they get there. You're right though TIM's goal may have been just to eliminate the competition but do you think TIM can now resist going after all that information ?

[Pockles]

pf17456 wrote...
TIM also doesn't know what the SB knows about him or his troops. He takes a greater risk sending in another party to deal with the SB whereas the 'wildcards' are acting on their own, for their own reasons. He also doesn't know what they'll find when they get there. You're right though TIM's goal may have been just to eliminate the competition but do you think TIM can now resist going after all that information ?

TIM definitely wants Liara's information network, but that would be secondary to deposing the old Shadow Broker. I don't know if this will be an issue in ME3, though. Cerberus seems focused on undermining Shepard's efforts, and we have yet to see why Liara is on his/her team. Her ship may have been destroyed or captured, but it's also possible that she decided to assist Shepard directly and left Feron in charge.

Modifié par Pockles, 10 septembre 2011 - 08:31 .

[pf17456]

Pockles wrote...

pf17456 wrote...
TIM also doesn't know what the SB knows about him or his troops. He takes a greater risk sending in another party to deal with the SB whereas the 'wildcards' are acting on their own, for their own reasons. He also doesn't know what they'll find when they get there. You're right though TIM's goal may have been just to eliminate the competition but do you think TIM can now resist going after all that information ?

TIM definitely wants Liara's information network, but that would be secondary to deposing the old Shadow Broker. I don't know if this will be an issue in ME3, though. Cerberus seems focused on undermining Shepard's efforts, and we have yet to see why Liara is on his/her team. Her ship may have been destroyed or captured, but it's also possible that she decided to assist Shepard directly and left Feron in charge.

I think TIM will start making a move on the base while Shepard is on trial on Earth.
After escaping Earth there will be a message from Liara about a Cerebrus attack
The Normandy will head to Hagalaz and battle Cerebrus, likely destroying the base in the process
This will put Cerebrus and Shepard at odds

[alex90c]

karmensandiego wrote...

*peeks out*

Hi everyone!!!

I just wanted to post something and say how much I love this thread and you people!!  I've been on a few message boards and a few fan communities and it can very quickly resort to petty bickering and inelligible diatribes.  However you lot seem to be very intelligent, passionate, respectful, patient fans who can have differing opinions but rational discussions!  I would know since I've spent the last week reading all 200+ pages of this thread.  I'm weird and anal that way, I want to read the thread all the way through before I post something. 

I do love how you guys tend to have the same  3 or 4 discussions over and over again...   Its like once every ten pages or so one of those 3 or 4 discussions will start up again!  But its entertaining.  And I LOVE all the Liara pics!!

I'm fairly new to Mass Effect and PC gaming in general.  I knew I liked RPG's so I got Dragon Age which had an ad for Mass Effect 2 in it.  And I thought hmmmmm... that looks interesting.  It had a picture of Liara with it and I went, well hey, who's that?   Coming in late to Mass Effect allowed me to read a lot about the games so I knew what to expect.  Going into game 2 I knew Liara would be different but I knew I had LOTSB to make up for it!

Anyhoo, just popping in to say, Hi, and that ya'll are awesome!!!

Just like Liara, of course! 



*edit to add*

Also, it took me FOREVER to figure out all your abbreviations and acronyms!!!  Like VS, SB, SM, OT, OP, ToP, devs, BSN, etc. 

I eventually figured them all out though!

*edit to add 2*

WAIT WAIT!!!  I can't figure out IIRC!!!  What's that one?

welcome

+ get ME1 ASAP, Liara in LotSB was the only reason I actually ended up getting it, and it was worth it.

[zingro]

pf17456 wrote...

Pockles wrote...

pf17456 wrote...
TIM also doesn't know what the SB knows about him or his troops. He takes a greater risk sending in another party to deal with the SB whereas the 'wildcards' are acting on their own, for their own reasons. He also doesn't know what they'll find when they get there. You're right though TIM's goal may have been just to eliminate the competition but do you think TIM can now resist going after all that information ?

TIM definitely wants Liara's information network, but that would be secondary to deposing the old Shadow Broker. I don't know if this will be an issue in ME3, though. Cerberus seems focused on undermining Shepard's efforts, and we have yet to see why Liara is on his/her team. Her ship may have been destroyed or captured, but it's also possible that she decided to assist Shepard directly and left Feron in charge.

I think TIM will start making a move on the base while Shepard is on trial on Earth.
After escaping Earth there will be a message from Liara about a Cerebrus attack
The Normandy will head to Hagalaz and battle Cerebrus, likely destroying the base in the process
This will put Cerebrus and Shepard at odds

Yeah I agree with pf17456, and I bet Feron uses this oppurtunity to repay Liara in some kind of glorified sacrifice as she escapes the burning SB base in a wondrous explosion crying into shepards arms...

*Zooms in close up shot of Shepards face as Liara holds him tight* Shepard gets in a cheeky grin as he/she always suspected Liara and Feron did the nasty together during those 2 years..<_<

Feron dies a hero. gg

[Ophiskc]

zingro wrote...

Yeah I agree with pf17456, and I bet Feron uses this oppurtunity to repay Liara in some kind of glorified sacrifice as she escapes the burning SB base in a wondrous explosion crying into shepards arms...

I thought was Liara who just repay him back

The chances of Feron dying are very high, but i'll try to avoid it if i can, Liara had too much grief in her life already, and as my Shep said: "any friend of yours is a friend of mine"

Modifié par Ophiskc, 10 septembre 2011 - 01:14 .

[alex90c]

Finally got my bloody Mass Effect 1 sound working. Why do I have to run it unpatched just so my sound doesn't glitch out :/

[Ophiskc]

alex90c wrote...

Finally got my bloody Mass Effect 1 sound working. Why do I have to run it unpatched just so my sound doesn't glitch out :/

Did you changed the game files in any way? My sound glitched when i added a command to hide the HUD, when i remove it was fine again

[Korkki]

alex90c wrote...

Finally got my bloody Mass Effect 1 sound working. Why do I have to run it unpatched just so my sound doesn't glitch out :/

So your ME1 sounds doesn't work properly with patches installed, even if you re-installed the whole game first, but without those patches installed sounds are working as they should be? When this issue first appeared, so have you had this issue ever since you first patched ME1? Or did those those sounds work properly with those patches in the beginning or something?

[ladyvader]

zingro wrote...

Yeah I agree with pf17456, and I bet Feron uses this oppurtunity to repay Liara in some kind of glorified sacrifice as she escapes the burning SB base in a wondrous explosion crying into shepards arms...

*Zooms in close up shot of Shepards face as Liara holds him tight* Shepard gets in a cheeky grin as he/she always suspected Liara and Feron did the nasty together during those 2 years..<_<

Feron dies a hero. gg

Why would Shepard think that when Liara told Shepard that Feron gave himself up to allow her to escape with Shepard's body.  Feron had been the SB hostage for those two years.  Liara says this before going to her apartment.  She thought he could be dead, but she didn't know.

[PMC65]

karmensandiego wrote...

*snip*
I do love how you guys tend to have the same  3 or 4 discussions over and over again...   Its like once every ten pages or so one of those 3 or 4 discussions will start up again!  But its entertaining.  And I LOVE all the Liara pics!!

*snip*

Welcome karmensandiego!

The same topics do seem to go round and round and BSN sometimes seems like Groundhog Day. But it can be interesting to read all the different opinions and views on Shepard and those in his/her life. Please feel free to add your seasoning to the game!

[ladyvader]

*waves*
Dang, I'm rude. Welcome karmensandiego. We're a fun bunch. Or I think so anyway.

@PMC
What else is there to really talk about?  BW is being mum on a lot and all we can do is speculate.

Modifié par ladyvader, 10 septembre 2011 - 02:54 .

[Robhuzz]

ladyvader wrote...

*waves*
Dang, I'm rude. Welcome karmensandiego. We're a fun bunch. Or I think so anyway.

We are? 
Err I mean yes we are:)

And: Hi karmensandiego, welcome.

What else is there to really talk about?  BW is being mum on a lot and all we can do is speculate.

And I like it this way. It means I can stay on the BSN without worrying too much about spoilers...

Modifié par Robhuzz, 10 septembre 2011 - 02:57 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

PMC65 wrote...
Welcome karmensandiego!

The same topics do seem to go round and round and BSN sometimes seems like Groundhog Day. But it can be interesting to read all the different opinions and views on Shepard and those in his/her life. Please feel free to add your seasoning to the game!

Bioware is not releasing much story information. So we are retreading old ground constantly.

"EDIT"

Howdy karmensandiego!

Modifié par Lizardviking, 10 septembre 2011 - 02:57 .

[PMC65]

ladyvader wrote...

zingro wrote...

Yeah I agree with pf17456, and I bet Feron uses this oppurtunity to repay Liara in some kind of glorified sacrifice as she escapes the burning SB base in a wondrous explosion crying into shepards arms...

*Zooms in close up shot of Shepards face as Liara holds him tight* Shepard gets in a cheeky grin as he/she always suspected Liara and Feron did the nasty together during those 2 years..<_<

Feron dies a hero. gg

Why would Shepard think that when Liara told Shepard that Feron gave himself up to allow her to escape with Shepard's body.  Feron had been the SB hostage for those two years.  Liara says this before going to her apartment.  She thought he could be dead, but she didn't know.

Bioware hints that there may/could/was something and even my Shepard was starting to go hmmmm. That hint may be there for Shepards who did not romance Liara or it may be there so people who want to put that potential twist in can.

Or they may have put it in there to make Shepards (faithful or not) go "wait ... please don't break up with me!" I was hesitant to ask about Feron because I was unsure. Liara can answer different ways depending on Shepard's romantic status with her. If people were faithful and get the "taken" answer by Liara but still have their doubts. That's cool. It's no skin off my nose if people in their gameplay grab that and apply to their story ... that part of doubt and jealousy.

I'm letting my Shepard have her doubts because it adds another level to my game. I am looking forward to ME3 to see if it is addressed or not. Given that there are so many love interests I doubt that Liara/Feron will be a big deal whether or not you romanced her. But we will see.

Is it March yet?

[alex90c]

Ophiskc wrote...

Did you changed the game files in any way? My sound glitched when i added a command to hide the HUD, when i remove it was fine again

The only thing I do is adjust the MaxLODSize/MinLODSize settings in BioEngine.ini to get rid of the blurry textures and put them all on maximum. The weird thing is, I'm pretty sure the first time I installed ME + BdtS + PS + 1.02 everything worked fine.

Korkki wrote...

So your ME1 sounds doesn't work properly with patches installed, even if you re-installed the whole game first, but without those patches installed sounds are working as they should be? When this issue first appeared, so have you had this issue ever since you first patched ME1? Or did those those sounds work properly with those patches in the beginning or something?

So your ME1 sounds doesn't work properly with patches installed, even if you re-installed the whole game first, but without those patches installed sounds are working as they should be?

^this

When this issue first appeared, so have you had this issue ever since you first patched ME1? Or did those those sounds work properly with those patches in the beginning or something?

In the beginning, yes. Of course I had to format my computer recently so when I reinstalled ME I guess that's when the problems arose.

Also, though an unrelated point I've noticed after installing Origin (so I can play Alice: Madness Returns) whenever I search on Google, then click on a link my browser tries to redirect to some random site rather than the actual link I went on :S

Is Origin like some kinda virus or something, I never had that until I installed it :/

It's definitely nothing to do with the sites i've been on, I've just had BSN, Facebook and Youtube on constantly, so it's nowhere "obscure" or "dubious".

Modifié par alex90c, 10 septembre 2011 - 02:58 .

[zingro]

ladyvader wrote...

zingro wrote...

Yeah I agree with pf17456, and I bet Feron uses this oppurtunity to repay Liara in some kind of glorified sacrifice as she escapes the burning SB base in a wondrous explosion crying into shepards arms...

*Zooms in close up shot of Shepards face as Liara holds him tight* Shepard gets in a cheeky grin as he/she always suspected Liara and Feron did the nasty together during those 2 years..<_<

Feron dies a hero. gg

Why would Shepard think that when Liara told Shepard that Feron gave himself up to allow her to escape with Shepard's body.  Feron had been the SB hostage for those two years.  Liara says this before going to her apartment.  She thought he could be dead, but she didn't know.

Well.. not to be one for exact dates or days here, but Im sure Liara and Feron found time for a quicky during shepards lost in translation.. time frame  

Have a cookie

[PMC65]

ladyvader wrote...

@PMC
What else is there to really talk about?  BW is being mum on a lot and all we can do is speculate.

LOL! I wasn't knocking it just letting our new member know that (s)he wasn't wrong. The repeat of subjects is great when new people join to get their take, this has at times inspired me in my game play when the reason is well thought out, matches my Shepard and/or is a new twist.

Well, I am knocking the threads that keep being created regarding the VS/horizon/airlock and Liara/armor/kill threads. I wish those were gone forever!!! Fingers crossed that after ME3 is released we will see the last of those. *fingers crossed* 

[ladyvader]

PMC65 wrote...


Bioware hints that there may/could/was something and even my Shepard was starting to go hmmmm. That hint may be there for Shepards who did not romance Liara or it may be there so people who want to put that potential twist in can.

Or they may have put it in there to make Shepards (faithful or not) go "wait ... please don't break up with me!" I was hesitant to ask about Feron because I was unsure. Liara can answer different ways depending on Shepard's romantic status with her. If people were faithful and get the "taken" answer by Liara but still have their doubts. That's cool. It's no skin off my nose if people in their gameplay grab that and apply to their story ... that part of doubt and jealousy.

I'm letting my Shepard have her doubts because it adds another level to my game. I am looking forward to ME3 to see if it is addressed or not. Given that there are so many love interests I doubt that Liara/Feron will be a big deal whether or not you romanced her. But we will see.

Is it March yet?

I'm more worried about Kelly causeing issues with Liara and Shepard if you have her feed the fishes than I am about Feron. 

Mac Walters tweeted something about it.  I hope it's was in jest, but right now who knows.

No, We still have 5 months 26 days, 12 hours and 53 minutes for those that live on the East Coast of the USA.  I feel for you in Europe that have to wait three more days.  

[PMC65]

Ericzio wrote...


Apparently, people are going to have the ability to kick off a romantic affair with Liara in ME3, without hooking up in ME1. Now that just seems unfair, hopefully if they do get this they get the silly Liara that has a "super crush" in ME1 and not the actual "in love" Liara from ME2. What I'm saying is they shouldn't get the special dialogue that we should get or scenes that make it seem Liara and shep have been together for a very long time.

I agree that the romance that went over the whole trilogy should be different but I also can see where some players might want to have their story set where Liara and Shepard meet in ME1 and although Shepard feels for her (s)he chooses the not now approach because of everything going on. Cut to LotSB and (s)he still holds off although they both feel the connection ... cut to ME3 and Shepard after everything that (s)he has beeen through realizes now or (possibly) never.

I want all the potential ways to play this in the game for absolute re-play value. So you could have the Shep in love through the whole game, Shep fighting the love until ME3, Shep loving someone else (example: loves Ash but she dies on Virmire) and then finding love again. I don't worry about the new player because I was a new player with ME2 and went back and purchased ME1.

[zingro]

Waiting bah what about price hikes for us Aussies! we gotta pay way more for this damn game when it hits our land. stupid tax % rates crap %#*%!

Anything to see Liara again tho so Ill shutup now.