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[ladyvader]

Actually, if Meer was a great VO which in my view he is not. Good not great. He would be getting nominations for video awards. Which he does not. Hale is getting them for her work as femShep.

The difference in styles is on the directors as much as it is on the actor doing the voice. Maybe Meer needs others to bounce off of. Who know. I know his VO work in ME left a very meh taste in my mouth and I play with Sheploo to romance the characters femShep can't. I do not RP any of my Sheploo characters. I completely RP my femShep characters.

One is a very angry woman right now and not in a good place. Be afraid if your with Cerberus. One is a complete tool that has no clue what she wants in her personal life. Does she want to settle down with Liara or not? She sorta wants a fling with Thane. This femShep seems to have a thing for aliens. She been with Garrus too. Then there is my canon femShep that I write my stories around. Total RP that Shepard big time.

[Sunnie]

Xilizhra wrote...

I suspect they're more popular because most of the Maleshep supporters really don't care who voices Maleshep; he's far more of a blank slate, and given the appalling voice direction Maleshep gets, it wouldn't matter who did anyway.

Tell that to people like lizardviking who keep defending cardboard Shepard VO.

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
Here is a nice blog about femShep and it makes comments about Meer's version of Shepard.

What a load of rubish.

And that's what I expected from you, some things never change. Seriously, you may think it's rubbish, but that is your opinion. Truth is, there are more people who have that exact opinion than otherwise. I love Meer's acting as any other character, except Shepard (which is a complete and total fail on the VO director's part). You think he is on par with Hale in ME2, well, I disagree and so do a lot of others.

[Xilizhra]

The difference in styles is on the directors as much as it is on the actor doing the voice. Maybe Meer needs others to bounce off of. Who know. I know his VO work in ME left a very meh taste in my mouth and I play with Sheploo to romance the characters femShep can't. I do not RP any of my Sheploo characters. I completely RP my femShep characters.

Well, he voiced the volus and vorcha as well, and did a good job there. And then Jethann in DA2, where given much less time, he got across a lot more personality.

[ladyvader]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I suspect they're more popular because most of the Maleshep supporters really don't care who voices Maleshep; he's far more of a blank slate, and given the appalling voice direction Maleshep gets, it wouldn't matter who did anyway.

Tell that to people like lizardviking who keep defending cardboard Shepard VO.

Lizardviking wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
Here is a nice blog about femShep and it makes comments about Meer's version of Shepard.

What a load of rubish.

And that's what I expected from you, some things never change. Seriously, you may think it's rubbish, but that is your opinion. Truth is, there are more people who have that exact opinion than otherwise. I love Meer's acting as any other character, except Shepard (which is a complete and total fail on the VO director's part). You think he is on par with Hale in ME2, well, I disagree and so do a lot of others.

I get that some don't like Hale's VO of femShep, but she does an outstanding job with both paragon and renegade Shepards.  While Meer is only good as a Renegade.  His Paragon Shepard is horrid.  I play more paragon then renegade.  

I've said this before and I will say it again.  I rented ME1 from Gamefly a few months after it was released, early 2008.  I normally play with male characters even though I am a female.  Between Kaidan sounding like wussy boy Carth Onasis from KotOR and Meer's boring tone I could not get through Eden Prime.  I sent the game back to Gamefly.  A few months later, I was at Gamestop and I noticed a used copy of ME1 cheap under $25 and decided to pick it up and give it another try.  This time with femShep instead of using Sheploo.  I fell in love with the game at that point.  Hale's acting was better and it sucked me in.  Meer's work as Shepard made me not want to play.  I forced myself to play as Sheploo to romance Ash.  I had a Shepard for each romance before ME2 came out.  One at level 60.  

[Korkki]

Honestly, I don't care which Shepard is more popular, male or female. Personally I prefer playing as male Shep and some other people prefer playing as fem Shep. Some people like one thing and others like some other thing, that's all. You know, we have this "funny" saying in Finland: "matter of taste, said the dog when he licked his ass" ..so you can't really argue when it comes to matter of taste or of course you can argue basicly about anything, but there is no point in that. Plus it's hard to say which Shep is more popular since there is no objective statistics about that, or if there is, I haven't seen those.

Edit: But I also think that Sunnie had a pretty good point with this which voice actors/actresses we see more often in these award things and such.

Modifié par Korkki, 14 septembre 2011 - 05:08 .

[Robhuzz]

@Ericzio
I agree. Meer did a much better job in Lotsb and Arrival than in the main ME2 game. Also, he had a little dialogue in the E3 earth demo. I didn't hear it that well because of all the background noise but Meer's voice acting sounded very nice, even though I only heard about 3 lines.

@Korkki

You're right. All this anti Hale or anti Meer bashing gets us nowhere. Some people prefer MaleShep, others prefer FemShep, that's just how it's going to stay. Maybe we should just stop and go back to discussing our favorite Asari..

Modifié par Robhuzz, 14 septembre 2011 - 05:09 .

[ladyvader]

Ericzio wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I suspect they're more popular because most of the Maleshep supporters really don't care who voices Maleshep; he's far more of a blank slate, and given the appalling voice direction Maleshep gets, it wouldn't matter who did anyway.

He's getting better actually, I found him way more better at acting in LotSB or Arrival than Hale. But in ME1 and ME2 I agree he did a sloppy job.

No way did Meer out act Hale in LotSB.  Nothing beats her flirty voice when asking about Azure.  Or the chase scene.  No way, no how.  I've not done Arrival enough to with Sheploo to notice the difference, but to me he sound mono-toned  all the time and to be honest, I've quit paying that close of attention.  I really don't care about my Sheploo characters like I care about my femSheps.  

That is on how different they act.  Should they be that different, I don't know the answer to that, but Meer's Shepard  is lacking in emotion to me.  

I've yet to see a tweet from Ali Hillis making a comment about Meer like she has more than once about Hale.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 14 septembre 2011 - 05:19 .

[Sunnie]

Ericzio wrote...

He's getting better actually, I found him way more better at acting in LotSB or Arrival than Hale. But in ME1 and ME2 I agree he did a sloppy job.

Your opinion, and I don't agree with it. While it was slightly better in LotSB, it still wasn't very good and was still MonoMeer Shepard. Of course this is my opinion, but I suspect quite a lot of others agree with it.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I suspect they're more popular because most of the Maleshep supporters really don't care who voices Maleshep; he's far more of a blank slate, and given the appalling voice direction Maleshep gets, it wouldn't matter who did anyway.

Tell that to people like lizardviking who keep defending cardboard Shepard VO.

Gee thanks! :innocent:

And that's what I expected from you, some things never change. Seriously, you may think it's rubbish, but that is your opinion. Truth is, there are more people who have that exact opinion than otherwise. I love Meer's acting as any other character, except Shepard (which is a complete and total fail on the VO director's part). You think he is on par with Hale in ME2, well, I disagree and so do a lot of others.

Yes. I think the blog was rubbish. The writer did a poor job trying to present her case and just seemed bashing. I am also fully aware that what I stated was my opinion.
You and many other may think that the voice acting/directing for MaleShep is bad, but that is your opinion and alot of people disagree with you.

[IndigoWolfe]

Can we please not do this? I like to think that the people posting here are mature enough to not get into what is essentially a "Your Shepard sucks, mine rules" forum slap fight that also happens to be only tangentially on-topic.

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

@Ericzio
I agree. Meer did a much better job in Lotsb and Arrival than in the main ME2 game. Also, he had a little dialogue in the E3 earth demo. I didn't hear it that well because of all the background noise but Meer's voice acting sounded very nice, even though I only heard about 3 lines.

@Korkki

You're right. All this anti Hale or anti Meer bashing gets us nowhere. Some people prefer MaleShep, others prefer FemShep, that's just how it's going to stay. Maybe we should just stop and go back to discussing our favorite Asari..

I agree.  I use both, but don't really pay atttention anymore to Sheploo and how he talks.  I just play the game and move on.  

I watched the Battle of Earth demo again yesterday.  It's was hard to hear any lines being said with Casey Husdon talking the whole time.  I was listening for Anderson telling Shepard to get on the Normandy and it was an order, but I really couldn't hear anything over CHud talking.  Thanks CHud. 

I have an achievement idea.  They can call it "A helping hand"  Liara helps Shepard get off the deck again.  She's done it in both games now.  Or I should say, romanced Liara does it in both games.

[TheMarshal]

Hey guys? Hey guys?

Stop it.

This is a Liara fan thread. Not a "which Shepard is better" thread. Not a voice actor comparison thread. Not a popularity thread.

Liara.

You wanna start one of those other threads, go right ahead. It'll get squashed in an hour, but knock yourself out.

[Robhuzz]

This is what Liara thinks of this thread going so badly off topic.

The only way to cheer Liara up is by talking about her again.

[alex90c]

Korkki wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Same here.
I guess I'm one of those "weird people" too.

That doesn't make you weird.

According to Bioware's own polls something like 80% of all people who picked up a Mass Effect game, played as Male Shep. I think Mark Meer actually has more fans, at least as far as Shepard goes, but Hale's fans tend to be a lot more vocal.

These forums are a very bad place to actually measure the general opinion of Mass Effect fans. Liara has the biggest fan club of all squad members. Is it noticable here? No it isn't, simply because Tali and Miranda fans are a lot more creepy and vocal and thus more likely to hit these forums. 

How do you know that?

I mean nothing I've ever seen with Liara comes even close to the 10,000+ Tali fan thread, then the subsequent 5,500 page one.

Are there figures, like character most romanced in ME1 or... ?

In other news, the school year's started again and I'm hating it already <_<

That's why I said you couldn't figure it out here because judging from these forums, Tali and Miranda are both more popular than Liara. There are simply more Tali and Miranda fans on these forums than there are Liara fans. That of course doesn't mean there aren't any other Liara fans. They just don't post here. There's an old 2000+ page Liara thread that kind of showed her off her popularity a bit but that's about it.

ETA: Your school year just started now? This is my 3rd week at school already:blink:

And to be perfectly honest, who cares.
We all love Liara here and that's what really matters

You're right of course but I was just trying to state you can't accurately measure a character's popularity just by looking at the BSN community;)

Started Monday, lol.

Will soon have to write an essay on Othello and another on utiliatarianism and then there's law which seems like it's going to be intense all year.

I'm probably going to have to strip about 95% of the time I spend on the internet and games if I even hope to get a decent grade at the end of all this

My school year started over a month ago, and this year's first test week is starting next week and even worse my first (history) exam of this matriculation examination thing is next monday. The rest are at March, yes at the same time when ME3 is released, I think I've mentioned it here already so I'm not getting into it again... Still I'm wondering how your school year starts so late because in Finland even university students have started their this year studies something like a couple weeks ago I guess..

My school's been having a bit of a... transformation ... recently which is why it opened so late this month. Strange that Finland's uni students would start so early though, my brother goes back in like, October

Robhuzz wrote...

This is what Liara thinks of this thread going so badly off topic.
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The only way to cheer Liara up is by talking about her again.

Don't worry Liara, I still love you

Modifié par alex90c, 14 septembre 2011 - 05:42 .

[Korkki]

alex90c wrote...

My school's been having a bit of a... transformation ... recently which is why it opened so late this month. Strange that Finland's uni students would start so early though, my brother goes back in like, October

Well they start at the beginning of september but our summer holidays also start much earlier than in many other countries so I guess that compensates it.

But anyways maybe we should now get back to the topic...

[PMC65]

I can understand why Miranda fans are a little worried, along with other character fans. Everyone is worried about the time that they will have with their loved characters. I think that people look at how Ash/Kaidan/Liara were handled in ME2 and are a concerned. While I don't think any of the characters will be left "hanging' like that since there is no ME4 for Shepard, I can see where it would cause some nervousness. 

Hopefully everyone will have a great ending with their Shepards regarding loves, friends, storylines. 

Is it March yet? So wish I could see a little of what they've done so far! 

 

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/masseffect/images/f/f2/Liara's_On_Fire.png

[Korkki]

PMC65 wrote...

I can understand why Miranda fans are a little worried, along with other character fans. Everyone is worried about the time that they will have with their loved characters. I think that people look at how Ash/Kaidan/Liara were handled in ME2 and are a concerned. While I don't think any of the characters will be left "hanging' like that since there is no ME4 for Shepard, I can see where it would cause some nervousness. 

Hopefully everyone will have a great ending with their Shepards regarding loves, friends, storylines. 

Is it March yet? So wish I could see a little of what they've done so far! 

Yeah I can understand it too because a lot of people might see those ME2 LIs as just something temporary or someone you're just having an affair with while those ME1 LIs are unavailable and that's why people who like those characters might fear that BW is just going to skip or abandon them in ME3. And I guess I have to admit that I also share that opinion that they're only something temporary (I always stayed faithful to Liara though, so they're not even temporary LIs for my Shep, just squad mates) because I still think that the only true love story in Mass Effect can be between Shepard and Liara (surprise surprise!) But I agree with you that every one deserves to get a great conclusion for their stories regardless who they romanced. Of course those choices you've made in all 3 games will affect how it all is going to end, but if you have played and you will play your cards right in ME3 you should be able to have a happy ending, lets say that, well at least that you and you LI will survive and we all get a nice epilogue for ourselves

And I'm afraid no, it's not March yet

[alex90c]

I took Liara with me on the Citadel and went to talk to the Terra Firma guy. Bastard decided to act all condescending when she criticised his views ¬_¬

If only there was a kill option ;D

[ladyvader]

PMC65 wrote...

I can understand why Miranda fans are a little worried, along with other character fans. Everyone is worried about the time that they will have with their loved characters. I think that people look at how Ash/Kaidan/Liara were handled in ME2 and are a concerned. While I don't think any of the characters will be left "hanging' like that since there is no ME4 for Shepard, I can see where it would cause some nervousness. 

Hopefully everyone will have a great ending with their Shepards regarding loves, friends, storylines. 

Is it March yet? So wish I could see a little of what they've done so far! 

 

True, but I doubt BW is going to screw over characters again or make people go like we did with Horizon and Illium.  I have faith.  Something I lack mostly, but with this series, I have complete faith in what this team is doing.  

From what they(Devs) have commented on it seems the VS will have a big part and so does Miranda/Jacob.  They've not talked much about him either.  The rest of the characters, I just don't know about.  We need a shrug emote, I say.

Sadly, no.  It's not March yet.  But since it is football season.  The next I'll know it's the holidays and football will be almost over.  It happens to me every year.  Once my  birthday comes and goes(next month) the rest of the year flies by.  Now since I am really really wanting to finish this trilogy, it might drag this year. 

I am looking for a little advice for those that are willing to give it.

I have a very angry single femShep that is turning to getting drunk after every mission.  That is a good reason to not have a bar on the Normandy.  She and Liara were already fighting on Illium and Liara didn't want to lose another friend, so she dropped it.  

For me personally, that was hard to renegade Liara on Illium.   Now, I'm thinking of not inviting her up for drinks later.  How do you think this will affect their relationship in ME3?  I was thinking of trying to see if Liara is a LI for those that didn't romance her from the beginning.  

I'm wondering if that will affect even their friendship.  Her relationship with Kaidan is over as far as this Shep is concerned.

[Robhuzz]

alex90c wrote...

I took Liara with me on the Citadel and went to talk to the Terra Firma guy. Bastard decided to act all condescending when she criticised his views ¬_¬

If only there was a kill option ;D

Okay time for a confession. After probably over 15 full ME1 playthroughs I've never even heard of the Terra Firma guy. Probably my fault, I read he's near the door to flux after you have been asked to talk to andersson. At this time I've already done everything I can so it means I can get off the citadel and to Ilos immediately (but not before a very nice little scene of course). Next time I reach that point in the game I have to remember to talk to that guy first, normally I talk to andersson, quick transit back to Csec then back to the Normandy:pinched:

Now, I'm thinking of not inviting her up for drinks later.  How do you think this will affect their relationship in ME3?

Why would you not invite her up for drinks? And realistically it would end any friendship between Shep and Liara because Shepard is basically saying: "F... off. I'm not your friend and I won't have anything to do with you." regardless of what your Shepard intends when he goes that way. It's easy to roleplay if you want to try your hand at an angry!Shep as long as you keep in mind that it's not Liara's fault. No reason to be a total dick to her.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 14 septembre 2011 - 08:14 .

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

alex90c wrote...

I took Liara with me on the Citadel and went to talk to the Terra Firma guy. Bastard decided to act all condescending when she criticised his views ¬_¬

If only there was a kill option ;D

Okay time for a confession. After probably over 15 full ME1 playthroughs I've never even heard of the Terra Firma guy. Probably my fault, I read he's near the door to flux after you have been asked to talk to andersson. At this time I've already done everything I can so it means I can get off the citadel and to Ilos immediately (but not before a very nice little scene of course). Next time I reach that point in the game I have to remember to talk to that guy first, normally I talk to andersson, quick transit back to Csec then back to the Normandy:pinched:

I've talked to the guy a few times.  To me he's a d-bag not worthh any of my Shepard's time.  I like you, talk to Anderson then head back to the Normandy.  

"Remember Terra Firma come election day, because Terra Firma remembers you."  Or something like that.  I just roll my eyes at that guy.  Just like I roll my eyes at Aria every time she tells Shepard she needs a man to losen up.  I'm always like....Ah, no Aria.  I have someone special in my life and I don't need one of the guys from Omega.

Why would you not invite her up for drinks? And realistically it would
end any friendship between Shep and Liara because Shepard is basically
saying: "F... off. I'm not your friend and I won't have anything to do
with you." regardless of what your Shepard intends when he goes that
way. 

The reason I'm thinking, which is tearing me apart.  I stopped playing and saved it in Liara's office before I start the DLC.  I have to think about it more too.

This is my angry femShep.  She got drunk with Dr. Chakwas and then went to the Normandy's bar and had more.  She's in a bad place right now and not handling having Cerberus bringing her back very well.  Sole Survivor and knows Cerberus set up her squad on Akuze.  That is why she's pissed at Liara.  I just don't know what to do know.  *sighs*

Modifié par ladyvader, 14 septembre 2011 - 08:18 .

[Korkki]

ladyvader wrote...

I am looking for a little advice for those that are willing to give it.

I have a very angry single femShep that is turning to getting drunk after every mission.  That is a good reason to not have a bar on the Normandy.  She and Liara were already fighting on Illium and Liara didn't want to lose another friend, so she dropped it.  

For me personally, that was hard to renegade Liara on Illium.   Now, I'm thinking of not inviting her up for drinks later.  How do you think this will affect their relationship in ME3?  I was thinking of trying to see if Liara is a LI for those that didn't romance her from the beginning.  

I'm wondering if that will affect even their friendship.  Her relationship with Kaidan is over as far as this Shep is concerned.

Well if I try to put myself in Liara's position, how would I feel when someone I've helped to save the galaxy and risked my life to prevent his/her body getting into the hands of the collectors, wouldn't even want to have a drink with me. That would be same as saying that "I don't really care what you do, what you think, you're not my friend," etc. etc. that kind of stuff. But of course we can't know if BW will just write it that if you didn't invite her for drinks it just didn't happen, no one never talked about it, never even thought about it.

[ladyvader]

Korkki wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

I am looking for a little advice for those that are willing to give it.

I have a very angry single femShep that is turning to getting drunk after every mission.  That is a good reason to not have a bar on the Normandy.  She and Liara were already fighting on Illium and Liara didn't want to lose another friend, so she dropped it.  

For me personally, that was hard to renegade Liara on Illium.   Now, I'm thinking of not inviting her up for drinks later.  How do you think this will affect their relationship in ME3?  I was thinking of trying to see if Liara is a LI for those that didn't romance her from the beginning.  

I'm wondering if that will affect even their friendship.  Her relationship with Kaidan is over as far as this Shep is concerned.

Well if I try to put myself in Liara's position, how would I feel when someone I've helped to save the galaxy and risked my life to prevent his/her body getting into the hands of the collectors, wouldn't even want to have a drink with me. That would be same as saying that "I don't really care what you do, what you think, you're not my friend," etc. etc. that kind of stuff. But of course we can't know if BW will just write it that if you didn't invite her for drinks it just didn't happen, no one never talked about it, never even thought about it.

This is the only time I've even considered it.  Maybe I'll do the mission part.  Leave the cabin scene for later and when this Shepard rids the galaxy of the Cerberus presonal on the Normandy, her head will clear and she can think a little more clearly.  And see that Liara saved her life.  Like I said, she's in a really bad place right now.  Drinking after every mission and mixing the liquors as well.  EDI keeps telling her were the bathroom is.  

[Robhuzz]

ladyvader wrote...
The reason I'm thinking, which is tearing me apart. I stopped playing and saved it in Liara's office before I start the DLC. I have to think about it more too.

This is my angry femShep. She got drunk with Dr. Chakwas and then went to the Normandy's bar and had more. She's in a bad place right now and not handling having Cerberus bringing her back very well. Sole Survivor and knows Cerberus set up her squad on Akuze. That is why she's pissed at Liara. I just don't know what to do know. *sighs*

Shep is a super soldier, usually largely unaffected by any kind of emotional tragedy. Didn't blink when Ashley/Kaidan died. Stayed sharp when Jenkins got killed etc. Your Shepard is in a big mess right now, but you can add some character development yourself if you RP it like Liara once again brings up the best in Shepard. Like she's angry at the whole world but during Lotsb, she remembers the good old days. By the time both Shep and Liara are fighting the Shadow Broker, Shepard realizes Liara's ultimately good intentions and forgives her. Instead of drinking to forget, she uses her renewed love/friendship with Liara as a driving point to spur her on and get her life back on track.

I dunno, just thinking aloud here, kind of but I think it has a nice touch to it. This way you can nicely RP your Shepard, without being mean to Liara.