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[Ophiskc]

Robhuzz wrote...
Biotics are supposed to take a hell lot of energy to actually use. As in a biotic has got to eat well. Liara hasn't eaten anything in quite a while I suppose. We all know she doesn't help Shepard fight the krogan or the geth on Therum. So now I wonder: If they had needed the help, would Liara actually have been able to use some biotic powers to help Shepard out in her current state?

Maybe she would be able to help, but not for long and her biotics could be weaker. Perhaps thats why she didnt help from the start? she was afraid because she knew that in her current state there was nothing worthy she could do?


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Modifié par Ophiskc, 17 septembre 2011 - 02:09 .

[Korkki]

Boom_Flame wrote...

Korkki wrote...
Actually that is only the utilitarian opinion of moral decision to be correct.

True, you are correct, however when talking about something like the genophage which affects millions, perhaps even billions, of lives, being utilitarian is arguably the better perspective to judge the moral issues of the decision.

But then we start getting into moral relativism, and that's a whole other shebang of discussion better left untouched as we'll never finish the discussion.

Yes, you have a very good point there using utilitarian ethics when deciding about the genophage. Just wanted to correct that poor choice or words you had there when you said that counting pros and cons make it generally ethical decision.
And yes again, I agree that we shouldn't discuss ethics or philosophy in general anymore for the same reasons you mentioned. It's an endless road.

Boom_Flame wrote...

King Minos wrote...

On a serious note if i were to spot a
gang rape I would kill them or at least hurt them enough they ever be
able to do it again and I hope I haunt their dreams and destroy the
raper's life. No one should ever get away with that, eye for an
eye.

Makes the whole world blind. Revenge in such a form doesn't solve anything. If one person wants to do something bad or 'evil' to another, really there's nothing stopping them aside from their own morals, beliefs, and experiences. If such actions want to be prevented, the origin of such feelings must be tackled. Not the actions themselves.

I agree on that but more importantly  this whole gang rape example was made purely just to criticize utilitarian ethics and the flaws it has. So maybe we shouldn't get into this anymore. As said this discussion is way off topic already.

Modifié par Korkki, 17 septembre 2011 - 02:21 .

[Ophiskc]

When i see a photo like this with the aquarium as background, and take a look at the sides of Liara's head... i wonder if asaris can breath underwater

[King Minos]

Boom flame I doubt you would believe in that if someone you loved or cared got raped. The punishment in the uk is ****** poor, just say it breaches your human rights and you can get away with anything if you make it believable. Boom what I said was not about revenge but punishment, making the criminal pay, who is going to punish the rapist? In real life they would just be locked up and that's what I hate most, no real punishment at all. But I agree off topic.

[Boom_Flame]

Ophiskc wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Biotics are supposed to take a hell lot of energy to actually use. As in a biotic has got to eat well. Liara hasn't eaten anything in quite a while I suppose. We all know she doesn't help Shepard fight the krogan or the geth on Therum. So now I wonder: If they had needed the help, would Liara actually have been able to use some biotic powers to help Shepard out in her current state?

Maybe she would be able to help, but not for long and her biotics could be weaker. Perhaps thats why she didnt help from the start? she was afraid because she knew that in her current state there was nothing worthy she could do?

Intersting points, however when introduced with LotSB she's able to get into full combat mode with her biotics within a span of a few hours. I suspect there is a lot we don't know on how biotic usage affects the individual. Or perhaps there are drugs one can take to temporarily bring biotic power to full potential.

It would be interesting if this is covered in ME3, as it's a nice little niche in the game.

[Ophiskc]

Boom_Flame wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Biotics are supposed to take a hell lot of energy to actually use. As in a biotic has got to eat well. Liara hasn't eaten anything in quite a while I suppose. We all know she doesn't help Shepard fight the krogan or the geth on Therum. So now I wonder: If they had needed the help, would Liara actually have been able to use some biotic powers to help Shepard out in her current state?

Maybe she would be able to help, but not for long and her biotics could be weaker. Perhaps thats why she didnt help from the start? she was afraid because she knew that in her current state there was nothing worthy she could do?

Intersting points, however when introduced with LotSB she's able to get into full combat mode with her biotics within a span of a few hours. I suspect there is a lot we don't know on how biotic usage affects the individual. Or perhaps there are drugs one can take to temporarily bring biotic power to full potential.

It would be interesting if this is covered in ME3, as it's a nice little niche in the game.

In Lotsb she was mostly having a "normal day", in the sense that probably she had breakfast and lunch that day before Shepard bring her the data. But Robhuzz has a point, in ME1 (Therum) she was trapped for who knows how many days, would make sense that she was much weaker then

[TMA LIVE]

Shepard is now in chains, with batarians wanting his head. Wonder what Liara's doing during this.

[Robhuzz]

Boom_Flame wrote...

Ophiskc wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Biotics are supposed to take a hell lot of energy to actually use. As in a biotic has got to eat well. Liara hasn't eaten anything in quite a while I suppose. We all know she doesn't help Shepard fight the krogan or the geth on Therum. So now I wonder: If they had needed the help, would Liara actually have been able to use some biotic powers to help Shepard out in her current state?

Maybe she would be able to help, but not for long and her biotics could be weaker. Perhaps thats why she didnt help from the start? she was afraid because she knew that in her current state there was nothing worthy she could do?

Intersting points, however when introduced with LotSB she's able to get into full combat mode with her biotics within a span of a few hours. I suspect there is a lot we don't know on how biotic usage affects the individual. Or perhaps there are drugs one can take to temporarily bring biotic power to full potential.

It would be interesting if this is covered in ME3, as it's a nice little niche in the game.

There are actually. In Samara's loyalty mission, the volus smuggled in some kind of drug that boosts biotic powers (Remember Biotic God:lol:). Although it's toxic, it did increase biotic power. I guess this means there might be some non toxic drug around as well. In Liara's case however, I think it was more that she was in a bad state. She hadn't slept or eaten anything in days and was trapped while a buch of Geth were after her. To top it all off, she learned her mother had joined a rogue spectre for who knows what. It's no wonder she didn't fight on Therum.

@TMA Live

I'm pretty sure the SB has plenty of spies in Batarian space as well. She might just be listening in and warning Shepard or the Alliance if the Batarians have anything planned. We know from the investment opportunities the Shadow Broker has plenty of ways to subtly deliver some information to certain parties.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 17 septembre 2011 - 02:57 .

[Pinkflu]

Keep in mind also that Asari can ingest eezo, which is toxic to most humans. Asari food (at least from Thessia) naturally has traces of eezo in it, and it's hinted on the N7 Ops page for Thessia that this is beneficial to asari biotics. So it's possible that an Asari doesn't have to eat anywhere near what a human biotic would need to eat in order to sustain powerful biotics, so long as they were eating Asari food containing eezo.

[PMC65]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shepard is now in chains, with batarians wanting his head. Wonder what Liara's doing during this.

Since this is an Alliance issue ... E.W. Shepard would have sent her word to "not get involved." so, Liara will be watching what is going on very closely but standing aside ... hoping that since her hands are tied by the Commander that Shepard's "friends" in the human Alliance will make sure that nothing bad is allowed to happen.

However, I would suspect that Liara is looking deep into the background of everyone involved. It will be interesting to see what all of Shepard's comrades think of this from Liara to Zaeed. What do all these characters think when they hear that the Alliance is putting Shepard on trial?

[ladyvader]

Robhuzz wrote...

Different topic: While playing ME1 I noted some Asari names and started thinking and I just noticed how many Asari names actually end with an A. Think about it: Liara, Samara, Aethyta, Benezia, Ladanya, Elnora, Nassana, Aria, Tela (Vasir), Sha'ira, Shiala etc...

Seems like whatever you do, one of Shep/Liara's children has to have a name ending with an A...

So far,  in my fanfic, Liara and Shepard have two kids and all end in 'A'.  But then so does Shepard's name...Leia.  My real name ends in 'A' too.  I refuse to name any of  Leia and Liara's children a name that starts with 'L'.  I know families that have all their kids name the same first letter as both parents and I just cringe at that.  Not original and quite silly to me anyway.

I did notice that the a lot of the asari names end in 'A'.  There's Tana, Seryna, Dara as well.  I know there is at least on  NPC that doesn't but dang it.  It's slipping my mind right now.

[Pinkflu]

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Different topic: While playing ME1 I noted some Asari names and started thinking and I just noticed how many Asari names actually end with an A. Think about it: Liara, Samara, Aethyta, Benezia, Ladanya, Elnora, Nassana, Aria, Tela (Vasir), Sha'ira, Shiala etc...

Seems like whatever you do, one of Shep/Liara's children has to have a name ending with an A...

So far,  in my fanfic, Liara and Shepard have two kids and all end in 'A'.  But then so does Shepard's name...Leia.  My real name ends in 'A' too.  I refuse to name any of  Leia and Liara's children a name that starts with 'L'.  I know families that have all their kids name the same first letter as both parents and I just cringe at that.  Not original and quite silly to me anyway.

I did notice that the a lot of the asari names end in 'A'.  There's Tana, Seryna, Dara as well.  I know there is at least on  NPC that doesn't but dang it.  It's slipping my mind right now.

Morinth! Was probably not her real name, though.

[edit] And wasn't one of Samara's other daughters called Falare?

Modifié par Pinkflu, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:23 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Pinkflu wrote...


Morinth! Was probably not her real name, though.

There is also Nyxeris.

[ladyvader]

Pinkflu wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Different topic: While playing ME1 I noted some Asari names and started thinking and I just noticed how many Asari names actually end with an A. Think about it: Liara, Samara, Aethyta, Benezia, Ladanya, Elnora, Nassana, Aria, Tela (Vasir), Sha'ira, Shiala etc...

Seems like whatever you do, one of Shep/Liara's children has to have a name ending with an A...

So far,  in my fanfic, Liara and Shepard have two kids and all end in 'A'.  But then so does Shepard's name...Leia.  My real name ends in 'A' too.  I refuse to name any of  Leia and Liara's children a name that starts with 'L'.  I know families that have all their kids name the same first letter as both parents and I just cringe at that.  Not original and quite silly to me anyway.

I did notice that the a lot of the asari names end in 'A'.  There's Tana, Seryna, Dara as well.  I know there is at least on  NPC that doesn't but dang it.  It's slipping my mind right now.

Morinth! Was probably not her real name, though.

[edit] And wasn't one of Samara's other daughters called Falare?

Morinth birth name is Mirala.  The name I was thinkin of was Nyxeris.   Which I'm sure Liara did something like this to once she found out that her assissant was the Observer.

Modifié par ladyvader, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:34 .

[ladyvader]

PMC65 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Shepard is now in chains, with batarians wanting his head. Wonder what Liara's doing during this.

Since this is an Alliance issue ... E.W. Shepard would have sent her word to "not get involved." so, Liara will be watching what is going on very closely but standing aside ... hoping that since her hands are tied by the Commander that Shepard's "friends" in the human Alliance will make sure that nothing bad is allowed to happen.

However, I would suspect that Liara is looking deep into the background of everyone involved. It will be interesting to see what all of Shepard's comrades think of this from Liara to Zaeed. What do all these characters think when they hear that the Alliance is putting Shepard on trial?

Leia Shepard has begged Liara to let her handle both the situation with the Alpha Relay and to let her handle anything dealing with Cerberus.  I'm sure Liara will dig for dirt anyway just in case.

[Robhuzz]

Pinkflu wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Different topic: While playing ME1 I noted some Asari names and started thinking and I just noticed how many Asari names actually end with an A. Think about it: Liara, Samara, Aethyta, Benezia, Ladanya, Elnora, Nassana, Aria, Tela (Vasir), Sha'ira, Shiala etc...

Seems like whatever you do, one of Shep/Liara's children has to have a name ending with an A...

So far,  in my fanfic, Liara and Shepard have two kids and all end in 'A'.  But then so does Shepard's name...Leia.  My real name ends in 'A' too.  I refuse to name any of  Leia and Liara's children a name that starts with 'L'.  I know families that have all their kids name the same first letter as both parents and I just cringe at that.  Not original and quite silly to me anyway.

I did notice that the a lot of the asari names end in 'A'.  There's Tana, Seryna, Dara as well.  I know there is at least on  NPC that doesn't but dang it.  It's slipping my mind right now.

Morinth! Was probably not her real name, though.

[edit] And wasn't one of Samara's other daughters called Falare?

I don't usually count the novels, only the games but wasn't Aria's daughter called Liselle or something? Aside from that there's also Mallene Callis (the asari with the ugly yellow dress on noveria). So that makes about 3 or 4 Asari whose names do not end with an A. That's pretty significant I'd say.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
I don't usually count the novels, only the games but wasn't Aria's daughter called Liselle or something? Aside from that there's also Mallene Callis (the asari with the ugly yellow dress on noveria). So that makes about 3 or 4 Asari whose names do not end with an A. That's pretty significant I'd say.

I think Mallene Callis is her full name (like with Liara T'soni) so it does not count.

And I already given the meta gaming reason for why so many Asari names end with A, E or another vocal letter on the last page.

"Because most names that end with A, E or other vocal letters are often
female names. So when the writers make names for Asari, they often wind
up with names that end as such.".

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
I don't usually count the novels, only the games but wasn't Aria's daughter called Liselle or something? Aside from that there's also Mallene Callis (the asari with the ugly yellow dress on noveria). So that makes about 3 or 4 Asari whose names do not end with an A. That's pretty significant I'd say.

I think Mallene Callis is her full name (like with Liara T'soni) so it does not count.

And I already given the meta gaming reason for why so many Asari names end with A, E or another vocal letter on the last page.

"Because most names that end with A, E or other vocal letters are often
female names. So when the writers make names for Asari, they often wind
up with names that end as such.".

Still, I'm wondering whether they did it on purpose. This many names that end with A can't be a coincidence. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
I don't usually count the novels, only the games but wasn't Aria's daughter called Liselle or something? Aside from that there's also Mallene Callis (the asari with the ugly yellow dress on noveria). So that makes about 3 or 4 Asari whose names do not end with an A. That's pretty significant I'd say.

I think Mallene Callis is her full name (like with Liara T'soni) so it does not count.

And I already given the meta gaming reason for why so many Asari names end with A, E or another vocal letter on the last page.

"Because most names that end with A, E or other vocal letters are often
female names. So when the writers make names for Asari, they often wind
up with names that end as such.".

Still, I'm wondering whether they did it on purpose. This many names that end with A can't be a coincidence.

I can imagine it both conscious and unconscious in a way. Our society often percieves most names that end on vocal letters  as feminine (because more likely than not, they are female names), so when we have writers making names for character belonging to a all female race. They will most likely wind up making names that ends with A or E.

[PMC65]

Robhuzz wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
I don't usually count the novels, only the games but wasn't Aria's daughter called Liselle or something? Aside from that there's also Mallene Callis (the asari with the ugly yellow dress on noveria). So that makes about 3 or 4 Asari whose names do not end with an A. That's pretty significant I'd say.

I think Mallene Callis is her full name (like with Liara T'soni) so it does not count.

And I already given the meta gaming reason for why so many Asari names end with A, E or another vocal letter on the last page.

"Because most names that end with A, E or other vocal letters are often
female names. So when the writers make names for Asari, they often wind
up with names that end as such.".

Still, I'm wondering whether they did it on purpose. This many names that end with A can't be a coincidence. 

I would think that if it were done on purpose (i.e. meaning) then all asari would have names ending with A. Or all nice asaris would end in A and all mean asaris would end in E or something. But who knows.

[King Minos]

I kind of like unisex names for females such as Sam, Jaime, Jack or Alex, I like them names.

[Sunnie]

King Minos wrote...

I kind of like unisex names for females such as Sam, Jaime, Jack or Alex, I like them names.

Hate to break it to you, but Sam is a predominantly male name. For females, it's usually used as a short/nickname name for Samantha.
Jack is also a male name, again, for females used as a short/nickname for Jaquilin or Jackie, or other very similar female names. Same goes for Alex, it's normally a short for Alexandra/Alexandria.  Lets look at some numbers, shall we?
---------data from the 1990 US census-----------
Name                   % Frequency      Approx Number      Rank
ALEX (f)                 0.002                 3,036                      2660
ALEX (m)               0.115                  167,781                  156

SAM (f)                   0.002                  3,036                      2381
SAM (m)                 0.092                  134,224                  192

JACK (f)                  0.001                  1,518                      3217
JACK (m)                0.315                  459,573                  53


JAMIE (f)                0.153                  232,268                  146
JAMIE (m)              0.066                  96,291                     233
----------------------------------------------------------------

The only name you listed that would come close to being truly "unisex" would be Jamie, but is still predominantly a female name since female usage is 70.7%.
So in essence, you like "male" names for females!

Modifié par Sunnie22, 17 septembre 2011 - 05:39 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Hate to break it to you, but Sam is a predominantly male name.

That is true but also irrelevant (e.g. Alex can be short for Alexander or Alexandra and is therefore not gender-specific, i.e. the name is unisex)

[Sunnie]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Hate to break it to you, but Sam is a predominantly male name.

That is true but also irrelevant (e.g. Alex can be short for Alexander or Alexandra and is therefore not gender-specific, i.e. the name is unisex)

According to statistics, you are incorrect. By your logic, every name that was ever given to both a male and a female at any point in recorded history would make it a unisex name. A truly unisex name would require a somewhat even balance between male/female use as a full name, not a short/pet/nickname.

Name                     % Frequency      Approx Number      Rank
ALEXANDER(f)      0.002                  3,036                      2170
ALEXANDER(m)    0.132                  192,583                  141

ALEX (f)                  0.002                   3,036                     2660
ALEX (m)                0.115                   167,781                 156

[P38 ace]

Question what class for sherpard do you find works best with Laria
I posed this question for Tali too,

I still need to make my femshep for liara, and would like to branch out from my usual soildier class
I know you can only play with her in ME1 and for a short time in LotSB but i still want to see what people think