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JKFerg wrote...

Just wondering, can you play through ME1 without ever picking up Liara? I don't know why you'd want to but I'm just curious.

Nope. You need her to decipher the prothean vision.

Modifié par Chewin3, 21 septembre 2011 - 05:21 .

[ladyvader]

Chewin3 wrote...

JKFerg wrote...

Just wondering, can you play through ME1 without ever picking up Liara? I don't know why you'd want to but I'm just curious.

Nope. You need her to decipher the prothean vision.

^^That.  She does have very different dialogue if you pick her up after Virmire.  Link

Modifié par ladyvader, 21 septembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[erilben]

ladyvader wrote...

erilben wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
Ash was worse IMO. The only way to avoid a ninjamance with her was to first call out that she was out of line (rude response) and then break it off. No friendly way to call it off with her as far as I'm aware.

At least you get a chance to shut off Ash's romance after it has been started. Can you even shut off Liara's romance once it has started? I don't think you can. That's why a bug where it starts would be really bad.

You get one last chance to shut down Ashley/Kaidan's romance during the Normandy's lockdown cutscene, but this doesn't work for Liara. Even if you are a huge jerk to Liara there, you can't shut off her romance. She still tries to kiss Shepard.

I was locked into Kaidan's romance and renagaded him at the locker.  It ended the romance.  I'm almost willing to bet it's the same with Liara or Ash.  But then I've never tried it and when it comes to Liara, I wouldn't anyway.

Also, if you pick up Liara after Virmire, no romance open.  So, there it is.

You can't stop Liara at that point: . And the thing is I can't think where you would be able to stop it before that either.

Modifié par erilben, 21 septembre 2011 - 05:34 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

erilben wrote...
You can't stop Liara at that point: . And the thing is I can't think where you would be able to stop it before that either.

Pretty damn sure you can tell Liara to go away at the locker scene. It is something able for all romances.

[jlb524]

ladyvader wrote...
I've yet to see anyone complain about being ninja'ed by Kaidan or Ashely.  They just complain about Liara.

People complain about Ash...not so much Kaidan.  His seems pretty easy to avoid (I've personally done so in 20+ playthroughs of ME1).

Ash has an advantage over Liara b/c you can turn her down at the locker while you cannot turn Liara down at the locker.  You can, however, refuse to have sexy-tiems with Liara pre-Ilos but for your ME2 import, the game still recognizes it as being in a romance with her.

If you get stuck in the Liara romance due to a bug, the only way to end it is too romance either Ash or Kaidan and pick them during the confrontation scene.

Lizardviking wrote...

Pretty damn sure you can tell Liara to go away at the locker scene. It is something able for all romances.

You can tell her to leave, but she won't leave as she feels you are just trying to push her away.  She will then show up in your cabin later on and the romance flag is set for your ME2 import.

I actually have a vid for 'full Renegade' Liara locker scene.

Modifié par jlb524, 21 septembre 2011 - 05:47 .

[ladyvader]

jlb524 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
I've yet to see anyone complain about being ninja'ed by Kaidan or Ashely.  They just complain about Liara.

People complain about Ash...not so much Kaidan.  His seems pretty easy to avoid (I've personally done so in 20+ playthroughs of ME1).

Ash has an advantage over Liara b/c you can turn her down at the locker while you cannot turn Liara down at the locker.  You can, however, refuse to have sexy-tiems with Liara pre-Ilos but for your ME2 import, the game still recognizes it as being in a romance with her.

If you get stuck in the Liara romance due to a bug, the only way to end it is too romance either Ash or Kaidan and pick them during the confrontation scene.

Lizardviking wrote...

Pretty damn sure you can tell Liara to go away at the locker scene. It is something able for all romances.

You can tell her to leave, but she won't leave as she feels you are just trying to push her away.  She will then show up in your cabin later on.

I've yet to see it myself.  And if it's a bug, then it's not on the character, but the game itself and getting ticked off about it just silly.  Just like those that get ticked off about Liara not giving Shepard back the dogtags on Illium when the game is set up for Liara to give them back during the cabin scene.  That's on the game not the character.

[jlb524]

ladyvader wrote...
I've yet to see it myself.  And if it's a bug, then it's not on the character, but the game itself and getting ticked off about it just silly.  Just like those that get ticked off about Liara not giving Shepard back the dogtags on Illium when the game is set up for Liara to give them back during the cabin scene.  That's on the game not the character.

I linked the vid in my previous post edit.

I think getting upset over video game characters period is a bit silly. 

[ladyvader]

jlb524 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
I've yet to see it myself.  And if it's a bug, then it's not on the character, but the game itself and getting ticked off about it just silly.  Just like those that get ticked off about Liara not giving Shepard back the dogtags on Illium when the game is set up for Liara to give them back during the cabin scene.  That's on the game not the character.

I linked the vid in my previous post edit.

I think getting upset over video game characters period is a bit silly. 

I get if you don't like a character because of their actions in a game.  But getting ticked off on how the devs set up situations is just silly and hating a character because of it.

EDIT:
Kaidan leaves, but the dialogue is very different as well.  Shepard gets very ticked at him saying she doesn't have time to babysit or something like that.  I need to edit that video down from the rest.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 21 septembre 2011 - 06:00 .

[Han Shot First]

A lot of character hate boils down to some players disliking characters just because they were given a more central role in the story than their personal favorite LI. I'm not saying that is the case with everyone that hates Liara, but it does seem to be the case with the majority. Their justification for hating the character is that according to them, she's a Mary Sue that Bioware 'favors' over Tali/Ashley/Jack/whomever. They chafe at Liara becoming the Shadowbroker and getting DLC devoted to it.

Personally I think that is ridiculous. If I'm going to hate a character it is going to be based on what they do and say in the story, not how big of a role they have in it compared to my personal favorite character. It is a little bit silly to expect every character to have en equal role in the plot. In what work of fiction does that ever happen?

Modifié par Han Shot First, 21 septembre 2011 - 06:07 .

[PMC65]

ladyvader wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
I've yet to see it myself.  And if it's a bug, then it's not on the character, but the game itself and getting ticked off about it just silly.  Just like those that get ticked off about Liara not giving Shepard back the dogtags on Illium when the game is set up for Liara to give them back during the cabin scene.  That's on the game not the character.

I linked the vid in my previous post edit.

I think getting upset over video game characters period is a bit silly. 

I get if you don't like a character because of their actions in a game.  But getting ticked off on how the devs set up situations is just silly and hating a character because of it.

EDIT:
Kaidan leaves, but the dialogue is very different as well.  Shepard gets very ticked at him saying she doesn't have time to babysit or something like that.  I need to edit that video down from the rest.  

Poor Kaidan really wasn't given as much time and attention as Ash & Liara.

I guess they (Bioware) underestimated the female/gay male gamers.

Although he does have the best looking butt in the game to me!



Now back to Liara ....

[ladyvader]

Han Shot First wrote...

A lot of character hate boils down to some players disliking characters just because they were given a more central role in the story than their personal favorite LI. I'm not saying that is the case with everyone that hates Liara, but it does seem to be the case with the majority. Their justification for hating the character is that according to them, she's a Mary Sue that Bioware 'favors' over Tali/Ashley/Jack/whomever. They chafe at Liara becoming the Shadowbroker and getting DLC devoted to it.

Personally I think that is ridiculous. If I'm going to hate a character it is going to be based on what they do and say in the story, not how big of a role they have in it compared to my personal favorite character. It is a little bit silly to expect every character to have en equal role in the plot. In what work of fiction does that ever happen?

I will say this.  I do have people asking me about my The Aftermath story and why certain characters have not are are not mentioned.  It's a story about Leia Shepard and Liara.  Not a story about the entire crew.  I find it annoying at times and I did finally ask for it to stop in a note before one of chapters.  

The epilogue will be posted next week and it's done, but I will say this.  There are three characters I don't mention once in it.  And I'll will explain why in a note.  All characters are never created equal.  No work of fiction is that way.  

I don't even get the Mary Sue comments.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 21 septembre 2011 - 06:17 .

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jlb524 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Pretty damn sure you can tell Liara to go away at the locker scene. It is something able for all romances.

You can tell her to leave, but she won't leave as she feels you are just trying to push her away.  She will then show up in your cabin later on and the romance flag is set for your ME2 import.

I actually have a vid for 'full Renegade' Liara locker scene.

I do stand corrected.

I am actually glad in a way that Liara stands her ground against Shepard's anger and tells not to push her away.

[ladyvader]

Lizardviking wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Pretty damn sure you can tell Liara to go away at the locker scene. It is something able for all romances.

You can tell her to leave, but she won't leave as she feels you are just trying to push her away.  She will then show up in your cabin later on and the romance flag is set for your ME2 import.

I actually have a vid for 'full Renegade' Liara locker scene.

I do stand corrected.

I am actually glad in a way that Liara stands her ground against Shepard's anger and tells not to push her away.

It is very telling and maybe in a way why Liara went looking for Shepard's body.  She didn't want to give on up Shepard.  Where both Ash and Kaidan don't and when Shep gets snippy at the locker is ends the romance.  I know it did for Kaidan.  Not tried it on Ash.  I also don't plan on doing another Shep playthrough in ME1.  I do plan on doing another canon femShep run though.

[PMC65]

ladyvader wrote...

It is very telling and maybe in a way why Liara went looking for Shepard's body.  She didn't want to give on up Shepard.  Where both Ash and Kaidan don't and when Shep gets snippy at the locker is ends the romance.  I know it did for Kaidan.  Not tried it on Ash.  I also don't plan on doing another Shep playthrough in ME1.  I do plan on doing another canon femShep run though.

We don't know what Ash/Kaidan did after Shepard died. They might have been part of the Alliance recovery team and they failed to find Shepard's remains. Then the Alliance sent them on their next assignment. That is the way that I RP it on both my Shepard's. But we don't really know because Bioware focused on Liara's activities. What we do know is that if you romanced Ash/Kaidan, it was hard on them and by Horizon they are still trying to get their life(s) back together.

You can't really compare Liara's actions with Ash/Kaidan because unlike those two she had the absolute freedom (no Alliance commitment, really no job or anything pulling her away from the hunt) to keep looking. Why she kept looking depends on her relationship with Shepard (romance/friends/non-friends).

[Han Shot First]

Ashley and Kaidan, as active duty members of the Alliance military, don't have freedom of movement. They can't pick and choose where they go or what missions they get assigned. After the descruction of the Normandy both would have been given new orders by the Alliance, and neither would have had the ability to search for Shepard's body even if they wanted to.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 21 septembre 2011 - 07:43 .

[PMC65]

Han Shot First wrote...

Ashley and Kaidan, as active duty members of the Alliance military, don't have freedom of movement. They can't pick and choose where they go or what missions they get assigned. After the descruction of the Normandy both would have been given new orders by the Alliance, and neither would have had the ability to search for Shepard's body even if they wanted to.

That's why trying to compare Liara to the VS doesn't work for me in regards to Shepard's remains. The VS may have been put on the recovery team but it still would have been at the Alliance discretion not the VS'. It's the same thing on Horizon ... "Come join me Ash/Kaidan!" 

My Shepard(s) wouldn't have asked them that knowing that it would require the VS to walk away from their careers ... their loyalty. (S)He also would not want them mixed up with Cerberus ... But that is another topic. 

Back to Liara ... 

 

[alex90c]

PMC65 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...
I've yet to see it myself.  And if it's a bug, then it's not on the character, but the game itself and getting ticked off about it just silly.  Just like those that get ticked off about Liara not giving Shepard back the dogtags on Illium when the game is set up for Liara to give them back during the cabin scene.  That's on the game not the character.

I linked the vid in my previous post edit.

I think getting upset over video game characters period is a bit silly. 

I get if you don't like a character because of their actions in a game.  But getting ticked off on how the devs set up situations is just silly and hating a character because of it.

EDIT:
Kaidan leaves, but the dialogue is very different as well.  Shepard gets very ticked at him saying she doesn't have time to babysit or something like that.  I need to edit that video down from the rest.  

Poor Kaidan really wasn't given as much time and attention as Ash & Liara.

I guess they (Bioware) underestimated the female/gay male gamers.

Although he does have the best looking butt in the game to me!



Now back to Liara ....

I wish there was a full sized version of that image, Liara looks so badass with a sniper rifle

[PMC65]

alex90c wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

I wish there was a full sized version of that image, Liara looks so badass with a sniper rifle

I like this picture as well ... especially since my femshep is classed an infiltrator.

[PMC65]

Cdr.Janne wrote...

You can avoid romance with Liara. In one play I didn't ask her to tell more about herself. Neither gave any hopes of romance, I was dismissing them to hurry. Result: no locker scene, and Kaidan was the one showing up before Ilos, probably bc I asked him about 'brain-camp'. Quickest game ever.

Of all the male options he is the only one that I could see being with ... My one throw-away femshep that liked him was scrapped because in that game he (Kaidan) lost the coin toss and was left on Virmire. I took that poor heartbroken femshep into ME2 and halfway through the game I just couldn't play her anymore. I hate my coin toss rule! 

With Vega she might have hope of finishing ME2 and seeing ME3. Maybe. 

[jtav]

Anyone else done Feros before Therum? I just did it that way and found Liara's debrief dialogue much better.

[PMC65]

jtav wrote...

Anyone else done Feros before Therum? I just did it that way and found Liara's debrief dialogue much better.

If I remember correctly, isn't that where Liara actually seems a little perturbed that an asari (Shiala) went into Shepard's mind? That made me laugh.

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jtav wrote...

Anyone else done Feros before Therum? I just did it that way and found Liara's debrief dialogue much better.

I did it once on my very first playthrough. What's different?

[jtav]

Well, for obvious reasons she's immediately clear and what you saw and that there's a connection between the Protheans, Conduit and the Reapers and tells you your new goal should be finding the missing bits.

[Han Shot First]

jtav wrote...

Anyone else done Feros before Therum? I just did it that way and found Liara's debrief dialogue much better.

I always do Feros first.

The situation there just seems much more urgent, considering the colonists are actively being attacked by the Geth. Of course in game you are never punished for putting Feros on the back burner, but I can't come up with an in game reason why Shepard wouldn't rush to save the colony. Also, for all Shepard knows there is also a possibility that Saren is still on Feros.