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^wow.

Did anyone left Liara at the Normandy when going to Noveria? I was curious about the dialogue. I always choose her since I think as daughter she deserves to see her mother.
Offtopic – Noveria seems to be a gift to renegades. My paragon has 9 marks, renegade only 1, achievements in 95%, and level: 35. But when trying to convince Qui’in to testify, I only have the renegade option (help him would result +25). I’ve tested several options and now I’m thinking in giving Opol’s package to Analeis to go to peak 15 and avoid side missions. I don’t know how I got more intimidate points than charm, with so many paragon/cooperative actions. Would I have to engage in long talks to unlock charm?


Not taking Liara to Noveria makes that mission lack heart for me. I've done it twice in playthroughs so I could see how other characters are on that mission. Besides Liara, Wrex also adds another layer on that mission if you take him. But normally I take Liara and Tali when I head to the facility.

Paragon/renegade is part of the game that I don't play ... If an option is available to me and it fits the character (the Shepard I am playing) then I pick it. Personally I wish that the whole red/blue part of the game was gone in ME3 and you are left to your own choices that sometimes works and sometimes fails ... like talking to the Mindoir survivor. You can talk her down without using the red/blue but it takes the right choices ... or Morinth's interaction where you have to move the conversation in the right way at the bar or you lose her. Those two were so much more satisfying to accomplish then picking a color option. 

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@ Robhuzz - I never kill the pyjaks :) Though the glitch could save time (thank you for the tip) I'm trying to find/understand the dynamics to unlock charm. My paragon has 56.25%, I read somewhere 75% is ideal, maybe it's low bc I went to Therum first, Feros and now Noveria. About Liara, between Therum and Feros I played the side missions taking her to achieve the Asari medal. And she's definitely going to Virmine and Ilos since she's the Prothean expert and improved skills :) Btw xp points in difficult level are higher, compared to normal?
 
@PMC65 – I always go talk to her about her mother after Noveria, it gives a better understanding about her past. Hence my curiosity in not choosing or sending her back to the Normandy after Parasini reception, it would be so rude...
Back to actions, now I understand the paragades; thankfully in ME2 they merged charm with paragon, but still it affects character appearance; I prefer my Shepard with blue eyes thankyouverymuch.

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Cdr.Janne wrote...

@ Robhuzz - I never kill the pyjaks :) Though the glitch could save time (thank you for the tip) I'm trying to find/understand the dynamics to unlock charm. My paragon has 56.25%, I read somewhere 75% is ideal, maybe it's low bc I went to Therum first, Feros and now Noveria. About Liara, between Therum and Feros I played the side missions taking her to achieve the Asari medal. And she's definitely going to Virmine and Ilos since she's the Prothean expert and improved skills :) Btw xp points in difficult level are higher, compared to normal?


The amount of charm options unlocked depends on your total paragon points, that much is clear. The first 3 ranks are always available. Just playing through Eden Prime as a paragon unlocks rank 4 and 5. Then ranks 6 - 8 are unlocked upon becoming a spectre. After that it just depends on your points. I think you need about 50% paragon to unlock ranks 9 and 10 and up to 80 - 90% to unlock ranks 11 and 12.

To test it, you could try out the exploit I mentioned earlier. Just check which ranks are unlocked to you when you start it, then keep adding paragon points while in the meantime keeping an eye on your paragon bar and the amount of charm options unlocked.

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Couldn't help myself, had to start another ME1 playthrough. Man, I had forgot how awesome the feeling is the first time you go to the Citadel. That cutscene where you see that massive space station and this cool music is playing in the background and you fly inside those 5 big arms. Now just some citadel business and then I'm heading to Therum and Liara :wub: Can't wait to get there.

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Couldn't help myself, had to start another ME1 playthrough. Man, I had forgot how awesome the feeling is the first time you go to the Citadel.

Basically that's what I'm doing, brand new profiles, saving images and recording plays; lots of fun. Image IPB

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Ah the opening bit with the Citadel is one of my fav parts... just classic sci-fi all around :) not to mention the banter *nods*

I'm resting ME1 for a while. Got Charlie to Lv 60 and did nearly every quest out there... now to get her through ME2 finally


I HATE not being able to get images.... 360 players are cursed

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Cypher0020 wrote...

Ah the opening bit with the Citadel is one of my fav parts... just classic sci-fi all around :) not to mention the banter *nods*

I'm resting ME1 for a while. Got Charlie to Lv 60 and did nearly every quest out there... now to get her through ME2 finally


I HATE not being able to get images.... 360 players are cursed


There's no reason to play a shooter on a console. You are doing yourself a disservice.

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but my laptop can't handle all of ME's power :( sadly....

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Cypher0020 wrote...

Ah the opening bit with the Citadel is one of my fav parts... just classic sci-fi all around :) not to mention the banter *nods*

I'm resting ME1 for a while. Got Charlie to Lv 60 and did nearly every quest out there... now to get her through ME2 finally


I HATE not being able to get images.... 360 players are cursed

:LMAO.  I have a Dazzle video capture device hooked up to my Xbox.  Here are some imagines from it.


Image IPB
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And my personal favorite
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You can PM me about how to hook it up.  I'll be more than happy to tell you.

Also all the videos I've posted are from my Xbox as well.

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ladyvader wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ah the opening bit with the Citadel is one of my fav parts... just classic sci-fi all around :) not to mention the banter *nods*

I'm resting ME1 for a while. Got Charlie to Lv 60 and did nearly every quest out there... now to get her through ME2 finally


I HATE not being able to get images.... 360 players are cursed

:LMAO.  I have a Dazzle video capture device hooked up to my Xbox.  Here are some imagines from it.


Image IPB
Image IPB
And my personal favorite
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You can PM me about how to hook it up.  I'll be more than happy to tell you.

Also all the videos I've posted are from my Xbox as well.




Nice pics ladyvader and the quality is great, I've never thought you could get so great pics from console. Forgive me my ignorance but I take it as that device you have is connected between your Xbox and your TV or something like that, and then it captures the video signal coming from your Xbox? Since I have no experience about that kind of stuff it makes me wonder how expensive those video capturing devices are?

Pockles wrote...

There's no reason to play a shooter on a console. You are doing yourself a disservice.


This PC vs console discussion is eternal. I'm a PC gamer and fanboy myself, though part of that is due to this hobby of mine: building PCs and tuning them and stuff :), but I have nothing against consoles. It's just a matter of taste, I prefer PC and keyboard + mouse controls and some other people prefer consoles. I can't play any games but sport and these music games such as rock band and guitar hero on consoles, any other game and I'm gonna throw that controller to the wall :D I have a friend who has top end PC for World of Warcraft and StarCraft II, Macbook pro for internet surfing and Xbox 360 and PS3 for other gaming. When he founds an interesting game he look for reviews, which version has better graphics, fps or is in some otherway smoother to play 360 or PS3, that version is the one he'll get. So it's not PC vs Console for all people. You can't really say there's no reason to play shooter or what ever sort of games on console or PC or what ever. It's just a matter of taste. As said I prefer PC but if someone else prefers console there's no problem in that, I can't see a reason why it should affect me someway.

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Nice pics ladyvader and the quality is great, I've never thought you could get so great pics from console. Forgive me my ignorance but I take it as that device you have is connected between your Xbox and your TV or something like that, and then it captures the video signal coming from your Xbox? Since I have no experience about that kind of stuff it makes me wonder how expensive those video capturing devices are?

My Dazzle was $80. Its a Dazzle video creator plus HD. I didn't think that was too expensive.  You need the six plug compost cables.  You hook the HD video into those inputs on the TV and the SD video along with that audio plugs into the Dazzle. (if you want sound from the TV you have use a splitter from the audio from the Dazzle and hook the another set of audio cables to the TV.  If not your sound is comes from the PC and that isn't loud enough for me to hear) The Dazzle has a usb plug that connects to the PC/Laptop.  It comes with software to do the recording even though I can't see to figure out how to edit from it so I use the Windows movie  maker software to edit the video down and what shots I take.  

It will record in HD.

I had to buy a new cable because my cats chewed up my other one.  But I flip cords because if I'm not recording I have the Xbox conncect with a HDMI cable.  

More blue for you.

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ETA

I also do games on PC, but I'm just now getting back into it.   Chances are I will get a copy of ME3 for my PC, but I am not going to get ME on PC.  Not after getting Genesis for ME2 on PC so I could pick what I wanted instead of the default renegade setting.

I've always played on both.  There are advantages to both actually.  Consoles you don't need to continue to upgrade the graphic card like you must do to keep playing the newer games on PC.  Not everyone can afford to do that.  I couldn't, which is why I had to stop PC gaming for a few years.

Modifié par ladyvader, 24 septembre 2011 - 04:03 .


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Pockles wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

Ah the opening bit with the Citadel is one of my fav parts... just classic sci-fi all around :) not to mention the banter *nods*

I'm resting ME1 for a while. Got Charlie to Lv 60 and did nearly every quest out there... now to get her through ME2 finally


I HATE not being able to get images.... 360 players are cursed


There's no reason to play a shooter on a console. You are doing yourself a disservice.


I've been playing consoles since I was 8 years old, give me a control pad I can play just about any game. I didn't get my first PC until I was 17 and I quickly learned that I suck at playing games using a keyboard.  Now   mouse based games (i.e.point and click games) I think I'm OK at, but they are absolutly brutal on my wrist.

Also my PC doesn't have the horsepower to play games like Mass Effect and it is a MAJOR pain in the ass to install and to play games like Baulder's Gate 2 (and it just barely handles BG2 while BG1 is too out of date to even install on it) without the damn thing crashing every 5 minutes.

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Willing to help a role player out? Why would a pro-human Renegade go for Liara?

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Korkki wrote...
Nice pics ladyvader and the quality is great, I've never thought you could get so great pics from console. Forgive me my ignorance but I take it as that device you have is connected between your Xbox and your TV or something like that, and then it captures the video signal coming from your Xbox? Since I have no experience about that kind of stuff it makes me wonder how expensive those video capturing devices are?

My Dazzle was $80. Its a Dazzle video creator plus HD. I didn't think that was too expensive.  You need the six plug compost cables.  You hook the HD video into those inputs on the TV and the SD video along with that audio plugs into the Dazzle. (if you want sound from the TV you have use a splitter from the audio from the Dazzle and hook the another set of audio cables to the TV.  If not your sound is comes from the PC and that isn't loud enough for me to hear) The Dazzle has a usb plug that connects to the PC/Laptop.  It comes with software to do the recording even though I can't see to figure out how to edit from it so I use the Windows movie  maker software to edit the video down and what shots I take.  

It will record in HD.

I had to buy a new cable because my cats chewed up my other one.  But I flip cords because if I'm not recording I have the Xbox conncect with a HDMI cable.  

More blue for you.

Image IPB

ETA

I also do games on PC, but I'm just now getting back into it.   Chances are I will get a copy of ME3 for my PC, but I am not going to get ME on PC.  Not after getting Genesis for ME2 on PC so I could pick what I wanted instead of the default renegade setting.

I've always played on both.  There are advantages to both actually.  Consoles you don't need to continue to upgrade the graphic card like you must do to keep playing the newer games on PC.  Not everyone can afford to do that.  I couldn't, which is why I had to stop PC gaming for a few years.


Okay so it operates pretty much how I imagined it to operate. Seems to be worth the price, at least the pic quality is great and if it records in HD. I use Fraps for recording but I rarely actually record anything. Maybe I should put Fraps to autostart with windows startup because too many times I find myself in a situation where I'd like to record something sweet but then I realize that my Fraps isn't running :pinched:

I haven't really made any videos, well I have done a couple but that was years ago and they were pretty crappy :P Been thinking about doing some ME videos though, Just having a problem finding proper music and scenes and other ideas for the video. I actually started making this "fanmade ME3 trailer" where I basicly re-edited BW's ME3 trailers and I'm pretty pleased with the result. The problem is that the song I picked is too long and even if my video editing skills are ok, I lack audio editing skills and software so I haven't really figured out yet how I'm going to finish that trailer thing... But I'm still working on it and gathering ideas... Though I'm not sure if I'm ever going to upload it on youtube or anything even if I manage to finish it some day, originally I just started to do that just for fun, killing time you know :happy:

And as you said, both consoles and PC has their advantages and disadvantages. But this is a hobby for me, an expensive one yes, but still a hobby. Updgrading your harware is a pain in the ass, well in you wallet mostly :D so I agree on that. This PC I built last June cost me about 1000€, It should contain powerful enough hardware that I can keep gaming with this for the next couple of years, it should be able to run for example ME3 and BF3 on maximum graphic settings. And as I've said for million times, I just prefer playing on PC, I'm just so used to it. And it's not cheap to play on console either if you think. You have to buy console, TV and usually you still have a computer for internet surfing. So those things also cost hundreds of euros/dollars/what ever currency we're talking about. But of course you don't have to upgrade your console like you have to do with PC and when a new console comes out it will cost roughly as much as the graphic card I have in my PC, the difference is, I can't play with that graphic card alone, I need those other components too:pinched: so yes consoles are cheaper. But I don't care which platform someone is using a console or PC. Some people seem to be pretty agressive when somebody uses other platform than they. So even if I'm a PC guy I don't have this "cosoles suck, they're for noob casual players who no nothing about real HC gaming"-kind of attitude :)

Edit: And yes, cats can be a disaster to your cables. Luckily our cats have only chewed my alarm radio antenna cable when they were kittens. The antenna still seems to be working though. So they haven't done any real cable damage...not yet anyway. But one of our two cats almost destroyed my headphones ones: I was wearing my headphones while this cat with his poor coordination managed to jump right on my headphone cables. So the headphones flew right off my head to floor. Luckily nothing was broken and even the cables are still connected where they should be. The cat just had a heart attack when those headphones made this sound when they hit the floor and yes our cat is afraid of everything you can possibly imagine.

Modifié par Korkki, 24 septembre 2011 - 04:59 .


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I've always played on both. There are advantages to both actually. Consoles you don't need to continue to upgrade the graphic card like you must do to keep playing the newer games on PC. Not everyone can afford to do that. I couldn't, which is why I had to stop PC gaming for a few years.


i think the problem as well is that people on the whole are quite oblivious so as to what makes a good PC. Some people just think that if they're modern, they'll play games well, but the key nowadays to playing 3D games well is having a good graphics card.

If you want something cheap you can just get the Geforce 9800GT for about £50, and my computer (which actually has quite a poor processor, 2.5GHz quad-core) can actually run both ME1 and ME2 at the same time without any slowdowns whatsoever while playing them, and the card should work on most modern games minus those using cutting edge technology like BF3 (which I need to upgrade for, my GTX 460 luckily fits the recommended gfx card spec, but my processor needs upgrading, I want more RAM and the game doesn't even work on XP so I'll have to get round to installing Windows 7 eventually).

While I enjoy mouse & keyboard, some games do definitely work better with console controls which makes it lucky I have both. I'm awful with console shooters though, I can pull off constant headshots on enemies on PC ME2 but on console, dear lord.

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Willing to help a role player out? Why would a pro-human Renegade go for Liara?

Sure, I'll help.  Or try to anyway.

If you go just by looks, asari look very human.  Skin color and lack of hair not withstanding.  Liara is capable of taking care of herself.  She's a strong biotic.  Intelligent and faithful.  She doesn't seem to have daddy issues(Tali, Miranda) Or a completely messed up childhood(Jack)
 
In ME1, she is very much a paragon unless you take Kaidan with you on Ilos and then Liara seems to give the renegade lines and is the one to shoot Saren to make sure she was dead.

Liara doesn't seem to be criticial of Shepard's decisions and backs Shepard always.  She gives her opinion, but doesn't seem to get bitter about things like others can.

She also seems to be one that is willing to make the hard decisions that need to be made.  

Hope this helps,jtav.  :)

 

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Willing to help a role player out? Why would a pro-human Renegade go for Liara?

If by pro-human you mean also xenophobic. I imagine to go for Liara would be a way to establish dominance, trick the asari to mark her being her first, with some arrogance involved.

Now if this Shep end up falling in love with her in the process, is something s/he probably would struggle with

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alex90c wrote...

I've always played on both. There are advantages to both actually. Consoles you don't need to continue to upgrade the graphic card like you must do to keep playing the newer games on PC. Not everyone can afford to do that. I couldn't, which is why I had to stop PC gaming for a few years.


i think the problem as well is that people on the whole are quite oblivious so as to what makes a good PC. Some people just think that if they're modern, they'll play games well, but the key nowadays to playing 3D games well is having a good graphics card.

If you want something cheap you can just get the Geforce 9800GT for about £50, and my computer (which actually has quite a poor processor, 2.5GHz quad-core) can actually run both ME1 and ME2 at the same time without any slowdowns whatsoever while playing them, and the card should work on most modern games minus those using cutting edge technology like BF3 (which I need to upgrade for, my GTX 460 luckily fits the recommended gfx card spec, but my processor needs upgrading, I want more RAM and the game doesn't even work on XP so I'll have to get round to installing Windows 7 eventually).

While I enjoy mouse & keyboard, some games do definitely work better with console controls which makes it lucky I have both. I'm awful with console shooters though, I can pull off constant headshots on enemies on PC ME2 but on console, dear lord.


It's about the whole package. It's not enough to have enormous ammount of RAM or top end video card or i7 core processor or 1200w PSU. Everything needs to be at same level. And it's not just about ammount of memory in video card or clock rate of the processor. It's also about the chipsets, memory bandwidth, memory type etc. So if someone buys a standard PC from a market I doubt that it's video card beats my factory overclocked GTX 570, even if it has 2Gb memory and I have "only" 1.3Gb same goes for processors, an i7 with lower clock rates than my Phenom II still beats my processor. But I agree that most games only require a good video card, especially shooters. But when it comes to for example RTS games, then the processor has to be good in order to deal with all those simultaneous actions and processes and stuff. And well you can never have too much RAM no matter what ever you're doing with your computer B)

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alex90c wrote...

I've always played on both. There are advantages to both actually. Consoles you don't need to continue to upgrade the graphic card like you must do to keep playing the newer games on PC. Not everyone can afford to do that. I couldn't, which is why I had to stop PC gaming for a few years.


i think the problem as well is that people on the whole are quite oblivious so as to what makes a good PC. Some people just think that if they're modern, they'll play games well, but the key nowadays to playing 3D games well is having a good graphics card.

If you want something cheap you can just get the Geforce 9800GT for about £50, and my computer (which actually has quite a poor processor, 2.5GHz quad-core) can actually run both ME1 and ME2 at the same time without any slowdowns whatsoever while playing them, and the card should work on most modern games minus those using cutting edge technology like BF3 (which I need to upgrade for, my GTX 460 luckily fits the recommended gfx card spec, but my processor needs upgrading, I want more RAM and the game doesn't even work on XP so I'll have to get round to installing Windows 7 eventually).

While I enjoy mouse & keyboard, some games do definitely work better with console controls which makes it lucky I have both. I'm awful with console shooters though, I can pull off constant headshots on enemies on PC ME2 but on console, dear lord.

I get more headshots with my controller than with the mouse.  I've always been that way.  Doesn't mean I won't play PC games because I have more control with a controller, I just not as good with them

My husband knows how to build PC and was always trying to keep mine up to date, but it got to where we couldn't continue to do that.  Now, I just want laptops and no more desktops.  The next laptop I get is going to be a pure gameing laptop.  That way, I know I can play anything.  for a while anyway.  

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jtav wrote...

Willing to help a role player out? Why would a pro-human Renegade go for Liara?


Because she's irresistable.

And blue...

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jtav wrote...

Willing to help a role player out? Why would a pro-human Renegade go for Liara?


Honestly, I can't think of a reason why one would. Not at this point in time, anyway.

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I had to make a pro-human renegade just so I had a character that would NOT hook up with Liara. ALL of my other characters had.. I just like the blue I guess :)

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jtav wrote...

Willing to help a role player out? Why would a pro-human Renegade go for Liara?



Only reason i can think of is cuz He/She finds Liara good looking. I mean look at TIM in the shadow broker dossiers he had sex with the asari matriarch twice. go to TIM profile under sexual liasions.

If your talking about falling in love then idk, i guess you could say that Liara is somewhat of a pragmatic which is what most renegades are.

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WoolyJoe wrote...

jtav wrote...

Willing to help a role player out? Why would a pro-human Renegade go for Liara?


Because she's irresistable.

And blue...


Now there's a good reason if I ever saw one. Why would anyone go for Liara? Because she's cute, smart and blue. During (and after) ME2 and especially Lotsb, add strong and independant to that list. Honestly what more could you ask for?:)

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jtav wrote...

Willing to help a role player out? Why would a pro-human Renegade go for Liara?


Probably for the same reasons TIM has encounters with Asari. To gain information, power, control and be in a position to manipulate or use.

Hope this helps