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[Kadzin]

nerdage wrote...

Oh right, yeah... I meant him, too. And he was totally indoctrinated, funny how many people miss that bit though...

Did I say "she" before? No, I don't think so.

technicly you are correct, as Hanar are hermaphrodites.

Ok enough of this tomfoolery yes I was referring to Benezia
Personally I think Liara had to get the intellect from oneof her parents and if we assume that her "father" was Aethita, I don't think there was much intelligence to get from there.
Benezia was a highly respected matriarch that had a following, which means that she was both charismatic and intelligent to swap people to her side, while she fell for indoctrination, I think her plan to try and guide Saren down a gentlier path was not a bad idea, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Not to mention that even indoctrinated, she was able to resist it temporarily to help Shep and his/her team to stop Saren. Of course these are all assumptions and are not based on any facts.

Another person with an intellect to match is of course Mordin, I wish Liara and Mordin would have a conversation at some point in ME3 I think it would be very interesting to listen to.

[Computer_God91]

Kadzin wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

One thing that bothers me about Liara in ME2 is the way she speaks.

Listen to her in ME1 and then in ME2. maybe its just me but I really like how her voice is in ME1, it's not as breathy and pause filled.

Ali Hillis has said in various interviews that her recording sessions for ME2 were hectic and disjointed. She didn't really know where Liara's changes were coming from, and her confusion is obvious in the delivery.

Ah, that makes alot of sense. Do you have a link to this interview as I'd like to read or watch it.

Also I don't understand either where all of Liara's personality change came from. I liked her better as a scientist instead of a blood thursty information broker.

Ask and you shall recieve
www.nerdappropriate.com/2011/06/17/mass-effects-ali-hillis-the-nerd-appropriate-interview-w-exclusive-liara-tsoni-wallpaper/
By the way can someone link a guide on how to embed a picture or a gif in a post?

Thanks!

[Robhuzz]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

So, think we'll see anything at Comic Con?

Femshep trailer!

Some more character designs would be most welcome also. A bit more gameplay too. I don't want to see the majority of the intro until November or so the anticipation would kill me. I don't think there will be anything Liara specific sadly.

I think they're still fussing over how the standard femshep should look. Latest info says red hair and green eyes (pretty much like the standard femshep version from ME1). They could save themselves the trouble. Give femshep blue eyes and make her look something like:

[Nerdage]

Kadzin wrote...

Ok enough of this tomfoolery yes I was referring to Benezia
Personally I think Liara had to get the intellect from oneof her parents and if we assume that her "father" was Aethita, I don't think there was much intelligence to get from there.
Benezia was a highly respected matriarch that had a following, which means that she was both charismatic and intelligent to swap people to her side, while she fell for indoctrination, I think her plan to try and guide Saren down a gentlier path was not a bad idea, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Not to mention that even indoctrinated, she was able to resist it temporarily to help Shep and his/her team to stop Saren. Of course these are all assumptions and are not based on any facts.

Another person with an intellect to match is of course Mordin, I wish Liara and Mordin would have a conversation at some point in ME3 I think it would be very interesting to listen to.

I was limiting myself to asari for the sake of judging asari development over their lifetime but yes, Mordin's almost certainly smarter. Science talk between them would be epic, and since the level we saw at E3 has Mordin as an NPC and Liara as a companion my hopes are high, there's still a scientist under that information broker and I miss her..

Also, I didn't mean Benezia becoming indoctrinated meant she wasn't intelligent, just that we don't know how much of what we saw of her was actually her and how much was Soverign. And from Shepard's dialogue with Aethyta it sounds like matriarchs become advisors and leaders almost as a matter of course, unless they do something to mess it up like Aethyta did.. Could just be Shepard's ignorance though, it's been know to happen.

[Kadzin]

nerdage wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

Ok enough of this tomfoolery yes I was referring to Benezia
Personally I think Liara had to get the intellect from oneof her parents and if we assume that her "father" was Aethita, I don't think there was much intelligence to get from there.
Benezia was a highly respected matriarch that had a following, which means that she was both charismatic and intelligent to swap people to her side, while she fell for indoctrination, I think her plan to try and guide Saren down a gentlier path was not a bad idea, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Not to mention that even indoctrinated, she was able to resist it temporarily to help Shep and his/her team to stop Saren. Of course these are all assumptions and are not based on any facts.

Another person with an intellect to match is of course Mordin, I wish Liara and Mordin would have a conversation at some point in ME3 I think it would be very interesting to listen to.

I was limiting myself to asari for the sake of judging asari development over their lifetime but yes, Mordin's almost certainly smarter. Science talk between them would be epic, and since the level we saw at E3 has Mordin as an NPC and Liara as a companion my hopes are high, there's still a scientist under that information broker and I miss her..

Also, I didn't mean Benezia becoming indoctrinated meant she wasn't intelligent, just that we don't know how much of what we saw of her was actually her and how much was Soverign. And from Shepard's dialogue with Aethyta it sounds like matriarchs become advisors and leaders almost as a matter of course, unless they do something to mess it up like Aethyta did.. Could just be Shepard's ignorance though, it's been know to happen.

The ignorance or the matriarchs messing up?

P.S. could someone tell me how to upload a picture please? :*(

[Han Shot First]

These are all generalities though, mentally Liara's as mature as any asari we meet. Possibly the only asari more mature emotionally is Samara, and Intellectually I don't think we've even met Liara's match yet

Miranda & Mordin would be in the same league as Liara intellectually.

Miranda was genetically engineered to be intelligent, and as project head for the Lazarus project, was involved in literally the greatest medical advancement in the history of mankind.
 
Mordin is an expert geneticist who has worked on the genophage.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 juillet 2011 - 07:06 .

[InfoGuy101]

Kadzin wrote...

Another person with an intellect to match is of course Mordin, I wish Liara and Mordin would have a conversation at some point in ME3 I think it would be very interesting to listen to.

I hoping this happens in ME3, the debate between those two could go in so many different ways with agreements and disagreements. They could get carried away with discussion in the middle of battle and Shepard would have to intervene lol. 

[Nerdage]

Han Shot First wrote...

These are all generalities though, mentally Liara's as mature as any asari we meet. Possibly the only asari more mature emotionally is Samara, and Intellectually I don't think we've even met Liara's match yet

Miranda & Mordin would be in the same league as Liara intellectually.

Miranda was genetically engineered to be intelligent, and as project head for the Lazarus project, was involved in literally the greatest medical advancement in the history of mankind.
 
Mordin is an expert geneticist who has worked on the genophage.

I was only talking about asari, but considering Miranda's genetic engineering she'd be a bad example of human development anyway.

[Nerdage]

Kadzin wrote...

The ignorance or the matriarchs messing up?

P.S. could someone tell me how to upload a picture please? :*(

Well Aethyta's working as a bartender when she should be honoured among her people, and Shep has a nasty habit of chewing on his foot, if you know what I mean. Sooo.. Both.

Also, [ img]<Image URL>[ /img], same as quotes, just make sure there aren't any spaces.

[Paula Deen]

Liara's dedication to Shepard and Feron speaks volumes. One, she went through hell on the shadow of a chance to bring him/her back. The other, she spent years in danger to try and rescue him, or at least avenge him.
I found Feron's reaction to Liara actually coming to rescue him to be cute and heartwarming. He can scarcely believe that ANYONE would take on the Shadow Broker to help a friend, let alone someone he betrayed before sacrificing himself to help.
She may not have many friends, but her friendships are sacred--she would walk into hell for them without hesitation. Hell, she already HAS. On multiple occassions...

[Kadzin]

nerdage wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

The ignorance or the matriarchs messing up?

P.S. could someone tell me how to upload a picture please? :*(

Well Aethyta's working as a bartender when she should be honoured among her people, and Shep has a nasty habit of chewing on his foot, if you know what I mean. Sooo.. Both.

Also, [ img]<Image URL>[ /img], same as quotes, just make sure there aren't any spaces.

"Tell me again about your imune system" Yeah shep is kind of a tree stump sometimes.
And Aethita probably slapped someone with a Singularity because of her temper and that's why she's a bartender now. xD

Also testing to see if this works. Liara ME1 dancing ^^

Modifié par Kadzin, 06 juillet 2011 - 08:26 .

[ZeroCrewX]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Grunt Lord wrote...

create a poll and after awhile close it and tweet him and show the poll

or create a survey and send it in after people vote...

Here is your poll. I don't use twitter however so someone else would have to share this with Casey.

Vote for either ME1, LotSB, or LE Liara. I included links for refresher purposes, sorry if it looks messy.

Also if someone is going to share that poll they should share this one as well.

Had to bump the poll link

[Kadzin]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Grunt Lord wrote...

create a poll and after awhile close it and tweet him and show the poll

or create a survey and send it in after people vote...

Here is your poll. I don't use twitter however so someone else would have to share this with Casey.

Vote for either ME1, LotSB, or LE Liara. I included links for refresher purposes, sorry if it looks messy.

Also if someone is going to share that poll they should share this one as well.

Had to bump the poll link

Voted, I like the classic face but i love the LotSB face

Modifié par Kadzin, 06 juillet 2011 - 12:57 .

[Robhuzz]

Voted as well. Gotta say the poll looks a little messy because of all the links. Frankly, if you say ME1 Liara or Lotsb Liara a person to vote in this poll has to know what you're talking about. I like Lotsb liara best but I'll be happy with any version of Liara in ME3 as long as she:

1. Still has a proper blue colour (instead of the more greyish blue we saw in the E3 demo, though this was partially due to lighting)
2. Retains her vibrant blue eyes.
3. Puts up a smile instead of the cocky/ high born look from the alternate appearance picture or the angry face she put up in that screenshot with Kaidan and Shepard.

[kumquats]

nerdage wrote...

kumquats wrote...

nerdage wrote...

I don't think it scales as simply as "asari live X times longer, so develop X times slower". That said, it depends how rigid the asari education system is. If they're allowed to progress on merit alone then there are certainly going to be outliars who progress abnomally fast, but even they'd be considered lesser in their field until they were older, regardless of their ability. It's more of a cultural thing than biological.

Long story short, being considered "Barely an adult" culturally doesn't mean she should look young by human standards (or indeed act young).

Personaly I think asari develop as fast as humans, but for someone who lived for 800 years, they will consider Liara barely an adult.
Asari have the luxury of time, of course they will devote as much as possible to their daughters.

Do you mean develop physically or emotionally? I kind of tripped over myself in my post, jumping from one to the other.

We've seen a ~60 y.o. asari on Illium who looked no younger than most other asari, so physically they seem to plateau quite early, though you can't always count on filler NPCs being 100% perfect I guess. Mentally though, well, I can't see many ~100 y.o. humans wanting to strip or become mercs, so it seems they do generally mature slower emotionally, which goes hand-in-hand with being considered young.

These are all generalities though, mentally Liara's as mature as any asari we meet. Possibly the only asari more mature emotionally is Samara, and Intellectually I don't think we've even met Liara's match yet.

Mostly I mean physically. I'm not entirely sure about the maidan stage. When Aethyta is talking about asari children in general, she says their children should work earlier and not spend their wild maiden years in bars and as mercs.
So if asari mothers, would guide their children to study and don't waste their time dancing, maybe asari would mature mentally faster.
Liara made the decision on her own to study and that makes her more mature then any other asari her age.

But I'm not sure about all of that.

Modifié par kumquats, 06 juillet 2011 - 03:06 .

[christrek1982]

Paula Deen wrote...

Liara's dedication to Shepard and Feron speaks volumes. One, she went through hell on the shadow of a chance to bring him/her back. The other, she spent years in danger to try and rescue him, or at least avenge him.
I found Feron's reaction to Liara actually coming to rescue him to be cute and heartwarming. He can scarcely believe that ANYONE would take on the Shadow Broker to help a friend, let alone someone he betrayed before sacrificing himself to help.
She may not have many friends, but her friendships are sacred--she would walk into hell for them without hesitation. Hell, she already HAS. On multiple occassions...

then after going through all that to get Shepard back she all but rejects shepherd with some weak ass excuse about her being watched and far to busy to give him/her the time of day. the way that both your possible LI react in me2 when they meet you gave me the impression that any romance between them was over.

the first time I played ME2 and the way that ash reacted calling Shepherd a traitor it was like "ok thats the end of that" and went on to romance Tali. I had no idea that BW intended to continue the romance plot in ME3. plus the
way Liara was in ME2 was a total shock revenge is an ugly thing to behold.

LOSB did bring some of the romance and old liara back but when I whent into LOBS in my mind I was helping her to resolve her issues so that she could move on and maybe heal but when she too up the mantel of the SB and the scene unfolded before me I was like "No don't do it move on let it go" she has to much power now and that could only corrupt her more.

I'm not have a go it's just what i thought as I played the game she is still my fav companion and my main LI in the ME world it's just that the way she changed and that she became the SB never sat right with me. Sorry if I've upset anyone that was not my intent but I say it as I see it is all

Modifié par christrek1982, 06 juillet 2011 - 04:07 .

[christrek1982]

oh another thing do you think Liara will find out who her father is in ME3?

[ladyvader]

christrek1982 wrote...

Paula Deen wrote...

Liara's dedication to Shepard and Feron speaks volumes. One, she went through hell on the shadow of a chance to bring him/her back. The other, she spent years in danger to try and rescue him, or at least avenge him.
I found Feron's reaction to Liara actually coming to rescue him to be cute and heartwarming. He can scarcely believe that ANYONE would take on the Shadow Broker to help a friend, let alone someone he betrayed before sacrificing himself to help.
She may not have many friends, but her friendships are sacred--she would walk into hell for them without hesitation. Hell, she already HAS. On multiple occassions...

then after going through all that to get Shepard back she all but rejects shepherd with some weak ass excuse about her being watched and far to busy to give him/her the time of day. the way that both your possible LI react in me2 when they meet you gave me the impression that any romance between them was over.

the first time I played ME2 and the way that ash reacted calling Shepherd a traitor it was like "ok thats the end of that" and went on to romance Tali. I had no idea that BW intended to continue the romance plot in ME3. plus the
way Liara was in ME2 was a total shock revenge is an ugly thing to behold.

LOSB did bring some of the romance and old liara back but when I whent into LOBS in my mind I was helping her to resolve her issues so that she could move on and maybe heal but when she too up the mantel of the SB and the scene unfolded before me I was like "No don't do it move on let it go" she has to much power now and that could only corrupt her more.

I'm not have a go it's just what i thought as I played the game she is still my fav companion and my main LI in the ME world it's just that the way she changed and that she became the SB never sat right with me. Sorry if I've upset anyone that was not my intent but I say it as I see it is all

When Shepard asks Liara if she is sure about becoming the new broker, Liara's answer is we can't pass this up, Shpard.  We could use...   Not once did she act like being the SB was for anything besides helping Shepard defeat the reapers.

She feels she belongs there is because now she can do research.  Which is the type of thing she was doing before meeting Shepard.  The normal type SB deals will continue to go on, but she is more interested in researching all the intel the SB had on the protheans/reapers/collectors to help Shepard and find a way to defeat the reapers.

I still feel that Cerberus is going to be a reason Liara is back on the Normandy.  

[Robhuzz]

christrek1982 wrote...

oh another thing do you think Liara will find out who her father is in ME3?

BioWare stated they were "Well aware of the Liara/Aethyta subplot and are thinking about how to resolve it". So I'd say yes. However I don't think we'll be going too deeply into it since we don't really have time for it. If however every squadmember has some sort of personal quest (and judging from past BioWare games, they will) then I'm pretty sure Liara's will be about finding Aethyta.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

christrek1982 wrote...
LOSB did bring some of the romance and
old liara back but when I whent into LOBS in my mind I was helping her
to resolve her issues so that she could move on and maybe heal but when
she too up the mantel of the SB and the scene unfolded before me I was
like "No don't do it move on let it go" she has to much power now and
that could only corrupt her more.

I'm not have a go it's just
what i thought as I played the game she is still my fav companion and my
main LI in the ME world it's just that the way she changed and that she
became the SB never sat right with me. Sorry if I've upset anyone that
was not my intent but I say it as I see it is all

Why
are you so against her being the SB? She did not do it for the power.
She did it so she could help Shepard in his fight against the Reapers.
And becoming the SB was the best way to do that. beside the SB network
is too much of a tactical asset to pass by.

[f1r3storm]

Robhuzz wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...

oh another thing do you think Liara will find out who her father is in ME3?

BioWare stated they were "Well aware of the Liara/Aethyta subplot and are thinking about how to resolve it". So I'd say yes. However I don't think we'll be going too deeply into it since we don't really have time for it. If however every squadmember has some sort of personal quest (and judging from past BioWare games, they will) then I'm pretty sure Liara's will be about finding Aethyta.

Well, afaik we're going back to Illium in ME3 so that's certainly possible.

[christrek1982]

Lizardviking wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...
LOSB did bring some of the romance and
old liara back but when I whent into LOBS in my mind I was helping her
to resolve her issues so that she could move on and maybe heal but when
she too up the mantel of the SB and the scene unfolded before me I was
like "No don't do it move on let it go" she has to much power now and
that could only corrupt her more.

I'm not have a go it's just
what i thought as I played the game she is still my fav companion and my
main LI in the ME world it's just that the way she changed and that she
became the SB never sat right with me. Sorry if I've upset anyone that
was not my intent but I say it as I see it is all

Why
are you so against her being the SB? She did not do it for the power.
She did it so she could help Shepard in his fight against the Reapers.
And becoming the SB was the best way to do that. beside the SB network
is too much of a tactical asset to pass by.

all good points and I see the  necessity  of it but that dose not mean I have to like it have you herd power corrupts she may not want the power but she has it and will have to delve into the SB world in order to keep up the pretence. and the road to hell is paved with good intensons

Modifié par christrek1982, 06 juillet 2011 - 05:34 .

[christrek1982]

f1r3storm wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...

oh another thing do you think Liara will find out who her father is in ME3?

BioWare stated they were "Well aware of the Liara/Aethyta subplot and are thinking about how to resolve it". So I'd say yes. However I don't think we'll be going too deeply into it since we don't really have time for it. If however every squadmember has some sort of personal quest (and judging from past BioWare games, they will) then I'm pretty sure Liara's will be about finding Aethyta.

Well, afaik we're going back to Illium in ME3 so that's certainly possible.

a companion quest invoveing that would be cool

[Robhuzz]

christrek1982 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...
LOSB did bring some of the romance and
old liara back but when I whent into LOBS in my mind I was helping her
to resolve her issues so that she could move on and maybe heal but when
she too up the mantel of the SB and the scene unfolded before me I was
like "No don't do it move on let it go" she has to much power now and
that could only corrupt her more.

I'm not have a go it's just
what i thought as I played the game she is still my fav companion and my
main LI in the ME world it's just that the way she changed and that she
became the SB never sat right with me. Sorry if I've upset anyone that
was not my intent but I say it as I see it is all

Why
are you so against her being the SB? She did not do it for the power.
She did it so she could help Shepard in his fight against the Reapers.
And becoming the SB was the best way to do that. beside the SB network
is too much of a tactical asset to pass by.

all good points and I see the  necessity  of it but that dose not mean I have to like it have you herd power corrupts she may not want the power but she has it and will have to delve into the SB world in order to keep up the pretence. and the road to hell is paved with good intensons

That's why I'm counting on Cerberus to take that base out during ME3. And if they don't do it, Shepard will do it himself after Liara is gone from there of course. And about power corrupting Liara, we'll have to see about that. Though I don't think even Liara is immune to that sort of corruption for long. All the more reason why I think that place has to go eventually. In a few 100 years she'll turn into Evil Liara. Just imagine Liara spending the remaining ~900 years of her life there.

Edit: Christrek, what exactly do you mean with your banner on the right side? "Merrill's scarf for LI". I'm assuming you think she looks better with the scarf (to which I agree btw). If not.. the other thing I can think of is slightly disturbing.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 06 juillet 2011 - 06:27 .

[TMA LIVE]

Pre-LOTSB I hated the idea of her being the Shadow Broker. I thought Liara was going to go from dark to Vader. It just seemed like she was going to be even more like the person I wouldn't want to be in a romance with. But after LOTSB, though I'm still a bit worried, I'm ok with it. I feel like everything going to be ok. I trust her.